Change of terminology - "Revenue Ticket" should be called "Cash Ticket" instead
Aug 29, 2017, 12:54 pm
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Aug 30, 2017, 4:01 pm
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Anyway, to this topic. "Revenue" and "award" seems to work. I totally get that "non-revenue" is a mostly unrelated proper term that means something to airline employees, but in my experience to date that hasn't confused anyone during my travels. The people using the term "nonrev" are likely using it with their fellow employees who understand that it's different from an award.
Aug 31, 2017, 2:32 am
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Some people apply the term non-revenue to tickets issued using loyalty program miles/points, even as those are generally revenue tickets too.
Sep 1, 2017, 10:28 pm
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Just try to pay for an airline ticket with cash (i.e. currency,) and see how many "S's" show up on your BP.
I agree with JDiver-there's no confusion here.
I agree with JDiver-there's no confusion here.
Sep 9, 2017, 9:56 am
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I don't dispute that at all, but if you think those are the only U.S. airline programs, you've lost a ton of credibility here.
Sep 9, 2017, 10:11 am
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I have rather large miles/point balances in AS, B6 and VX (for now) accounts, for example.
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Sep 10, 2017, 12:06 pm
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I think I'd rather have a nice stash of AS than any of the big 3 these days... (Although I also get the point that AA/DL/UA are more likely to establish industry standards as far as nomenclature around award programs goes...)
Sep 10, 2017, 3:50 pm
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This whole thing is silly. US carriers don't differentiate by method of payment other than for perhaps IDB and downgrades and not even then for the most part.
The term for a ticket not paid for with cash (or equivalent such as CC) is defined by DOT as a "zero dollar ticket."
ZDT's are as opposed to employee, industry and other freebies or close-to-freebies. Those are part of the carrier's operating structure in the same way that employers may choose to subsidize a cafeteria or whatever.
The term for a ticket not paid for with cash (or equivalent such as CC) is defined by DOT as a "zero dollar ticket."
ZDT's are as opposed to employee, industry and other freebies or close-to-freebies. Those are part of the carrier's operating structure in the same way that employers may choose to subsidize a cafeteria or whatever.
Sep 22, 2017, 3:13 pm
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I think I'll stay neutral in this debate . But I do know that free/ award tickets are exempt from certain US taxes that apply only to money-paid tickets, such as US 7.5% tax, "ZP" $2.50 (?) segment tax, "XF" Psgr. Facility Charges. However, free tickets are subject to the $5.60 TSA Tax and to US Customs/ Imm./ Agricutural Inspection taxes.
I assume that airline-employee non-rev. tix are exempt from all of these.
. But I do know that free/ award tickets are exempt from certain US taxes that apply only to money-paid tickets, such as US 7.5% tax, "ZP" $2.50 (?) segment tax, "XF" Psgr. Facility Charges. However, free tickets are subject to the $5.60 TSA Tax and to US Customs/ Imm./ Agricutural Inspection taxes.I assume that airline-employee non-rev. tix are exempt from all of these.