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tangey Sep 11, 2015 5:19 am

Added Etihad and IHG to the Wiki

DrRodneyMcKay Sep 11, 2015 12:58 pm

Also if we want to add some other rewards programs to the list, My Coke Rewards has points expire in 3 months...not sure about Bing Rewards, Swagbucks, etc..

sdsearch Sep 12, 2015 9:27 am


Originally Posted by DrRodneyMcKay (Post 25411190)
Also if we want to add some other rewards programs to the list, My Coke Rewards has points expire in 3 months...not sure about Bing Rewards, Swagbucks, etc..

I don't think we do. That would just overwhelm the list IMHO, because there are actually way more non-hotel/non-airline programs than there are hotel/airline programs, it's just that many of them are small. Oodles of retail stores and restaurant chains (including small local chains) have such programs.

It's going to be a big enough list once many more airline and hotel programs are filled in (one goal would be to at least have all the dozens of airlines to which you can transfer from "flexible" point programs such as Amex Membership Rewards and City Thank You points and Chase Ultimate Rewards and Diners Club Club Rewards. (And btw, those credit card points programs generally have a simple policy: no expiration as long as you hold at least one card in that credit card points program, but immediate loss of all points if you cancel the last card you have in that credit card points program.)

lmwong1977 Sep 12, 2015 10:23 am

Added Club Carlson, Hilton and Virgin Atlantic.

sdsearch Sep 13, 2015 10:53 am

Added Best Western, Choice Privileges, and Alaska airlines to the wiki.

Vincent Turitto Sep 14, 2015 10:56 am

FYI - Jet Blue points and Southwest points do not expire

sdsearch Sep 14, 2015 7:38 pm


Originally Posted by Vincent Turitto (Post 25423492)
FYI - Jet Blue points and Southwest points do not expire

FYI, you're wrong about half of that. Southwest points do expire without earning activity! (Ie, even redemption activity doesn't reset expiration.)

See here:
*Points will remain active as long as you have at least one qualifying earning activity every 24 months. Qualifying earning activities include: 1) completed travel on Southwest® qualifying flights, 2) points earned by transacting with any current Rapid Rewards® Partner, 3) points earned through everyday purchases using Southwest Airlines Rapid Rewards® Credit Cards and through points transferred from Diners Club®, and 4) points purchased for personal account use. Member should allow four to six weeks or such time as is otherwise specified for points to post from qualifying activity. Points gifted or transferred to another Member only keep the recipient’s point balance active. The last activity date will be the latter of the last qualifying earn activity or date of Award expiration.

(I don't claim to completely understand that last sentence, but since Standard Awards are going away in another month or so, you can presumably remove the last 5 words effectively.)

Chuckles Sep 15, 2015 8:58 pm

Added Lufthansa and Hyatt

Mwenenzi Sep 15, 2015 10:58 pm

For airlines better to differentiate between hard expiry (e.g. EK 3 years fixed) and soft expiry, where if eligible activity there is no expiry.

http://www.hotels-and-travel.de/ffp/

sdsearch Sep 16, 2015 1:07 pm


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 25432191)
For airlines better to differentiate between hard expiry (e.g. EK 3 years fixed) and soft expiry, where if eligible activity there is no expiry.

The wiki already does that, but I just reformatted it to put "hard" always in red, to make it harder to miss (pardon the pun).

CPRich Sep 16, 2015 2:51 pm

MrsCP hasn't stayed in a Hyatt in over 2 years, and her points are still active. Does the "starting 1/1/14" mean that they will only start closing accounts 1/1/16? If so, such a note may be useful.

sdsearch Sep 16, 2015 7:29 pm


Originally Posted by CPRich (Post 25435840)
MrsCP hasn't stayed in a Hyatt in over 2 years, and her points are still active. Does the "starting 1/1/14" mean that they will only start closing accounts 1/1/16? If so, such a note may be useful.

Hyatt didn't use to enforce expiration. Starting in 1/1/14 they do.

I have had no activity in way way more than that, over 5 years, and they recently sent me an email that if I didn't have activity in the coming months, my account would closed (I forget on which exact date).

But the point is the Hyatt expiration is now 2 years. That doesn't mean they have to expire points after 2 years, just that they can. In any program, if you find you've not activity for longer than the expiration time listed here, don't assume that you're some exception that can go on that way forever, assume instead that have some undocumented limited grace period, but since you don't what this, assume that you may be facing expiration the very next day, and try to get some activity happening ASAP.

If you want to delve deeper into whether it's safe to wait until 1/1/16, or whether your wife should create some activity tonight, that would be more suited for the Hyatt forum that this thread. This thread is intended as a summary, not a deep examination of the complexities of each program's policies (and changes in such policies). Most importantly, it presumably takes Hyatt experts to answer your question, but there are way more Hyatt experts in the Hyatt forum than likely to visit this thread in MilesBuzz! soon.

Mwenenzi Sep 16, 2015 8:41 pm


Originally Posted by sdsearch (Post 25435264)
The wiki already does that, but I just reformatted it to put "hard" always in red, to make it harder to miss (pardon the pun).

Will not be clear to newbies. Need to simply state with "hard" expiry miles/points have a fixed life (no exceptions). There are often threads in the forums with hard expiry by people surprised about this and asking how to extend or use before the miles/points are gone for ever. Hard expiry is good to these ffp's:- the liability is gone.

CPRich Sep 17, 2015 11:30 am


Originally Posted by sdsearch (Post 25436943)
This thread is intended as a summary, not a deep examination of the complexities of each program's policies (and changes in such policies). Most importantly, it presumably takes Hyatt experts to answer your question, but there are way more Hyatt experts in the Hyatt forum than likely to visit this thread in MilesBuzz! soon.

I did, and was suggesting the results may be applicable to the list here. Apologies if I offended you by suggesting such a crazy thing. Feel free to leave it as 2014 and force folks to search elsewhere for the answer.

sdsearch Sep 17, 2015 12:50 pm


Originally Posted by CPRich (Post 25440228)
I did, and was suggesting the results may be applicable to the list here. Apologies if I offended you by suggesting such a crazy thing. Feel free to leave it as 2014 and force folks to search elsewhere for the answer.

I don't want to clutter the list with excessive detail. Take a look at the note I added (in small font to make it fit better) and see if you that's enough for this thread.

I did something similar (the best I could tersely) also for Amtrak. I'm not even clear on what the expiration for Amtrak Guest Rewards was before now for those who were neither elite nor had the Chase AGR credit card (which Chase is dropping at the end of this month). People would transfer points into AGR, then find that within days those transferred points had already expired! :eek: It's only clear and simple at AGR going forward.


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