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RustyC Mar 30, 2013 11:29 pm


Originally Posted by hobo13 (Post 20504363)
It's ridiculous to believe that MR's have any impact on airlines AT ALL! For every 10 mileage runners you know on FT, there are 10,000 people in this country who would look at you like you are NUTS.

+1. I like to think it's skill, but it also helps to not have much of a conventional life.

pinniped Apr 1, 2013 8:09 am


Originally Posted by Travelergcp (Post 20506034)
It's not the paid flying at low yields that hurts the carriers. It's giving them top-tier status that does. Now you have a guy flying around in upgraded first that's displacing higher-yield travelers with lower status.

OK, let's play this one out.

While a person is engaging in the mileage run itself - and let's assume some sort of extreme 0 to 100k mileage runner, going bonkers in January - he's purposely flying the least-desirable times and days for a business traveler. That's how he scored the MR-worthy fare. Probably bouncing around from hub to hub on a Saturday or whatnot. Or maybe flying internationally, taking upgrades out of the equation entirely.

So during the MR, nobody's getting displaced. If the flight was that full of elites to begin with, it wouldn't have had the MR-worthy fare.

Then, later in the year, if the mileage-runner wants to displace these other travelers, what does he have to do? He has to buy a ticket on that higher-demand flight, probably paying a higher yield himself in the process.

I think of it just like any other form of status comp, gift, fast-track, challenge, etc. Setting aside for a moment that there are probably 10,000 RSM's flown by "real" elites for every 1 flown by any kind of "lite" elite, the only way the "lite" elite can ever gain a benefit is by, you guessed it, buying a ticket and engaging with the brand.

In other words, although I'm not a mileage runner and never will be, I lose zero sleep at night that the miniscule cadre of people around the world who do this are ever going to wind up snagging the *last* available upgrade seat on my specific flight where I'm using a mid/low-tier elite status, relegating me to coach. It's the same amount of sleep I lose wondering if I'm going to win the Powerball.

sdsearch Apr 3, 2013 6:29 pm


Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 20516452)
While a person is engaging in the mileage run itself - and let's assume some sort of extreme 0 to 100k mileage runner, going bonkers in January - he's purposely flying the least-desirable times and days for a business traveler. That's how he scored the MR-worthy fare. Probably bouncing around from hub to hub on a Saturday or whatnot. Or maybe flying internationally, taking upgrades out of the equation entirely.

It sounds like since you may be aware of how people at AA did it in January 2012. People living in three states were able to get triple EQM for a month on some hub-to-hub routes which were often on sale due to VX starting competition (or ramping up competition) on the same routes. And since VX was competing with sale fares, AA was often matching VX's sale fares (for advance purchase).

There were so many FTers taking part in this that a thread got started in the CommunityBuzz! forum tracking who was on what flight, taking statistics on upgrades, organizing meetings in lounges, etc:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/commu...t-january.html (of 2012)

But it was something that worked at AA only, because AA didn't restrict the fares at which DEQM/TEQM was possible. UA partly overlapped on some of this promo, but it's version of the promo was not valid on the lowest fares as I recall, and so it was not ripe for "mass MRing" the way the AA promo (for those in certain states, anyway) was.


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