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sun_aa Apr 3, 2012 6:31 pm

need help discovering chase offers
 
Some of the chase applications have explicit details of the bonus and I wanted to crawl through them all and see if there are any hidden gems. There are 46,656 possible applications and I don't want to go through all of them. This is primarily to avoid having to query Chase so many times from a single IP in a short period of time.

I have written a small bash script which deals with 1296 at a time and pops out the only the ones which mention the bonus details. This is going to be a small percentage of the 1296. I wanted to ask for 35 volunteers to go through the results along with me. PM me for details. Volunteers would need access to a linux machine. Mac would also probably work. Windows would require some rework and software installation.

Mods, feel free to move this elsewhere if milesbuzz isn't the right place for this post.

bitachu Apr 3, 2012 8:12 pm

man if i knew what this stuff meant then i would help you..but really have no clue...and chase will probably hear about this...

DavidAL Apr 3, 2012 8:23 pm

Wow. Kudos for the ingenuity. I'd be happy to help, but not sure if I'm any help at all. You'd have to walk me through everything, so I may waste more of your time than I'm worth.

bitachu Apr 3, 2012 8:24 pm


Originally Posted by DavidAL (Post 18330255)
Wow. Kudos for the ingenuity. I'd be happy to help, but not sure if I'm any help at all. You'd have to walk me through everything, so I may waste more of your time than I'm worth.

i'm in the same boat..if you give me a intro then i probably can figure it out...but no current knowledge

mikelat Apr 3, 2012 8:29 pm


Originally Posted by sun_aa (Post 18329743)
Chase applications seem to be in the following format:


Some of the applications have explicit details of the bonus and I wanted to crawl through them all and see if there are any hidden gems.

As you can see, there are 46,656 possible applications. I don't want to go through all of them. I have written a small bash script which deals with 1296 at a time and pops out the ones which mentions the bonus details. I wanted to ask for 35 volunteers to go through the results along with me. PM me for the script.

Mods, feel free to move this elsewhere if milesbuzz isn't the right place for this post.

Any pattern to the way the bonus is formatted in the response? Any way to do a regex so that you can save each response, parse it for bonus, and pop that in to a spreadsheet for easy post-processing? Happy to help out with automated parsing but I don't sign up for manual work. My per-hour value to myself is too high for manual work, I always automate :)

allanfan Apr 3, 2012 8:35 pm

did you find the 60K ink bold using this script?

bluto Apr 3, 2012 8:44 pm

Amex too
 
Maybe we should tackle Amex, too. I would love to find one of the 100k Platinum offers.

LongviewTX Apr 3, 2012 8:47 pm


Originally Posted by sun_aa (Post 18329743)

Some of the applications have explicit details of the bonus and I wanted to crawl through them all and see if there are any hidden gems.

As you can see, there are 46,656 possible applications. I don't want to go through all of them. I have written a small bash script which deals with 1296 at a time and pops out the ones which mentions the bonus details. I wanted to ask for 35 volunteers to go through the results along with me. PM me for the script.

Mods, feel free to move this elsewhere if milesbuzz isn't the right place for this post.

I think you need one good programmer instead of 35 volunteers. The vast majority of these pages will result in "Offer not available" and once you sort them out there will not be much for yourself to review.

Not to discourage you but this may or may not reveal any hidden gems. Just recall the United Explorer link for 60k miles (that by the way didn't follow you pattern) - it opened up different offers for different people based on the status of their United MileagePlus account.

DavidAL Apr 3, 2012 8:54 pm

Another thought is you should share what you find, you may want to masked the methodology, otherwise chase will pick it up and close the loophole. I'd delete the specifics mentioned above, and only mention specifics via pm.

I'm all for openness on the results, but don't share the method to the madness.

captaincool Apr 3, 2012 8:54 pm

I'm in agreement bitachu and DavidL. I'd like to help but know nothing of scripts, etc....

longhorn11 Apr 3, 2012 9:11 pm

DavidAL makes a good point. I don't mind helping out as well, but as others have stated my knowledge of scripts is minimal.

MightyTravels Apr 3, 2012 10:00 pm

Good idea!

So if you have the files downloaded just do a cat *|grep Privacy Notice to look for a common denominator in all valid offers.

This should do the trick.

sun_aa Apr 3, 2012 10:12 pm


Originally Posted by mikelat (Post 18330296)
Any pattern to the way the bonus is formatted in the response? Any way to do a regex so that you can save each response, parse it for bonus, and pop that in to a spreadsheet for easy post-processing? Happy to help out with automated parsing but I don't sign up for manual work. My per-hour value to myself is too high for manual work, I always automate :)

Unfortunately the bonus details are in a flash program and I don't know how to dig into that. Currently I am just popping out the codes which mention the bonus.


Originally Posted by bluto (Post 18330377)
Maybe we should tackle Amex, too. I would love to find one of the 100k Platinum offers.

Chase is very easy to automate. AMEX would probably take a lot of creative effor.

Originally Posted by LongviewTX (Post 18330393)
I think you need one good programmer instead of 35 volunteers. The vast majority of these pages will result in "Offer not available" and once you sort them out there will not be much for yourself to review.

Not to discourage you but this may or may not reveal any hidden gems. Just recall the United Explorer link for 60k miles (that by the way didn't follow you pattern) - it opened up different offers for different people based on the status of their United MileagePlus account.

Well, I don't want to query all the 46k codes from my server and get Chase's attention. This is why I wanted to break up the effort.

As far as hidden gems go, have you seen my links for Marriott 70k, Priority Club 80k, Sapphire preferred 50k, Ink Bold 60k,...? I came up with them only by playing around with lesser offers. I am not saying that this method will uncover everything but one might find something useful.


Originally Posted by DavidAL (Post 18330423)
Another thought is you should share what you find, you may want to masked the methodology, otherwise chase will pick it up and close the loophole. I'd delete the specifics mentioned above, and only mention specifics via pm.

I'm all for openness on the results, but don't share the method to the madness.

Good idea. I have edited the OP.

DavidAL Apr 3, 2012 10:22 pm

Peeps should also edit their quotes above. I've pm'ed them. Again, walk me through it and I'll help OP. PM me and I'll help however I can.

sun_aa Apr 3, 2012 10:30 pm

I guess I haven't been clear about what I need. The script I wrote will output the URL's which contain some details of the offer. This is most likely a small fraction of the 46k. All I need is people to run it, collect the result, vist the URLs and see if there's something worthwhile. Someone with flash programming knowledge could probably automate the last part but I don't know how to do it.

I am dividing up the effort because of the number of queries needed and because there is some manual work needed. I could do it alone but it would definitely take more time.

Slybone Apr 3, 2012 10:52 pm


Originally Posted by sun_aa (Post 18330895)
I guess I haven't been clear about what I need. The script I wrote will output the URL's which contain some details of the offer. This is most likely a small fraction of the 46k. All I need is people to run it, collect the result, vist the URLs and see if there's something worthwhile. Someone with flash programming knowledge could probably automate the last part but I don't know how to do it.

I am dividing up the effort because of the number of queries needed and because there is some manual work needed. I could do it alone but it would definitely take more time.

I have a linux box that could run these 24/7 and output everything. PM me and we can chat!

kdoughboy Apr 3, 2012 11:30 pm

Travel hacking in the literal sense. Love it.

x712xdamx Apr 3, 2012 11:47 pm

Once you get your group set, you may want to shut this thread down so Chase doesn't see how these offers are found.

thetravelabstract Apr 3, 2012 11:55 pm


Originally Posted by x712xdamx (Post 18331122)
Once you get your group set, you may want to shut this thread down so Chase doesn't see how these offers are found.

+1

aviator8 Apr 4, 2012 12:08 am

If I can run the script using cygwin You can count me in.

longhorn11 Apr 4, 2012 12:09 am


Originally Posted by x712xdamx (Post 18331122)
Once you get your group set, you may want to shut this thread down so Chase doesn't see how these offers are found.

Probably a good idea to do this sooner rather than later. I was reading another thread where Bank of Hawaii responded out of nowhere (if that really was them). Who knows what other banks are lurking around seeing what the FT community is up to. Obviously we know citi doesn't pay attention! ;)

sun_aa Apr 4, 2012 12:32 am

The only risk is that Chase might modify the format of the application URLs. Right now, probably the only reason you can't google for these offers is a robots.txt file.

FredFnord Apr 4, 2012 6:05 am

Happy to help
 
Been a lurker for a while, but only signed up for an account a few days ago. I'll be happy to help, I have a Mac and a fairly fast connection and am plenty technical. PM me.

jfoley22 Apr 4, 2012 6:27 am

I too would be willing to assist if you still need people. I am more than capable.

GGE Apr 4, 2012 6:46 am

Why don't you just run your script thru a proxy server to mask your IP?

jjmiller69 Apr 4, 2012 7:05 am


Originally Posted by GGE (Post 18332357)
Why don't you just run your script thru a proxy server to mask your IP?

I would love to help, but realize my computer skills a lacking. :(

GOOD LUCK :)

Simpleton Apr 4, 2012 8:11 am

Is there any way for you to run it and email us an xcl with the list of URLs? Id gladly sit there bunching them in while watching a movie, if we can't get our hands on a programmer who can automate it.

sun_aa Apr 4, 2012 8:20 am


Originally Posted by Simpleton (Post 18332898)
Is there any way for you to run it and email us an xcl with the list of URLs? Id gladly sit there bunching them in while watching a movie, if we can't get our hands on a programmer who can automate it.

The script gives you a text file with possible interesting links for testing. I am going to run 1296 per day. If others also run it, we can get through this sooner.

ZippyFlyer Apr 4, 2012 8:48 am


Originally Posted by Simpleton (Post 18332898)
Is there any way for you to run it and email us an xcl with the list of URLs? Id gladly sit there bunching them in while watching a movie, if we can't get our hands on a programmer who can automate it.

I could write a script to automate opening the urls in your browser. Say 10 tabbed URLs at a time. You just need to toggle through them looking for the offer details at the top and then close each tab/window. I could time it so that it opens 10 URLs every 30 seconds or something.

If each of the 36 participants checks 1296 URLs at 1 URL per 3 seconds (ie: 10 URLS per 30 seconds), it would take them about 65minutes of running this script/checking/closing tabs/windows.

sun_aa Apr 4, 2012 9:00 am

Yes, you are right. The concern with doing things so fast is that it might raise interest and cause them to start formatting application links differently.

Maybe you could edit your post to be more vague.

Slybone Apr 4, 2012 9:07 am


Originally Posted by sun_aa (Post 18333263)
Yes, you are right. The concern with doing things so fast is that it might raise interest and cause them to start formatting application links differently.

Maybe you could edit your post to be more vague.

I really think we should take this thread underground and just hint that we need people with linux boxes to help us out. There's too much being discussed

QL_714 Apr 4, 2012 9:21 am


Originally Posted by sun_aa (Post 18333263)
Yes, you are right. The concern with doing things so fast is that it might raise interest and cause them to start formatting application links differently.

Maybe you could edit your post to be more vague.

You should have never posted this in the first place.

aarif1 Apr 4, 2012 9:35 am

It seems like Chase is already pulling down these offers, such as the 60k Bold, 30k Freedom, and the Fairmont card. If you want to keep trying to discover offers, you shouldn't post them here (or probably anywhere public).

sun_aa Apr 4, 2012 9:43 am

It appears that someone has already done this and posted it as a comment in one of the blogs.

runnigel Apr 4, 2012 9:50 am

Limited knowledge about what is needed to be done but can quickly learn. PM if you need extra help

capitolm94 Apr 4, 2012 10:35 am

Hi,

I have a linux machine and would be happy to help.

EDIT: and lots of free time

Thanks

philemer Apr 4, 2012 11:33 am

Closed per OP request.


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