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thepla Jun 12, 2011 8:36 am


Originally Posted by LongviewTX (Post 16537716)
I have probably missed when airlines turned into non-profits and started thinking about your pleasurable experience more than they think about returns to their shareholders.

Whether you like it or not, but airlines are out there on the market place to make money and maximizing the inflow of miles into their FF programs while minimizing opportunities to redeem them feels like hell to you but feels like heaven to airlines' shareholders

feels like Delta. They started the inability to use miles at low awards.

Reindeerflame Jun 12, 2011 10:19 am


Originally Posted by robyng (Post 16540201)
What airlines - what routes? In the front of the plane or the back?

My primary goal with FF miles is to get free international reward travel - business class (since the 2 airlines I use the most - CO and Delta - don't have 3 class planes for the most part - maybe not at all). Or perhaps first class transcontinental (like I'lm doing JAX/ATL/LAX this year on Delta - but I wouldn't pay up in terms of miles on CO - since half the trip - JAX/IAH - is on a 2/1 Embraer). Heck - I could get all the "free" flights I want from JAX to LGA or EWR - but why would I do that if I'm using my miles at < $1 per mile? Like slider34 - I insist on getting more than $1/mile - as much as possible more.

IMO - the international front of the plane trips are where it's at IMO in terms of maximizing use of miles. Robyn

I'm not interested in first class or business class air travel. I just want to get there. This year I've redeemed SMF-Duluth in July (United; 25K); SMF-Brussels, return from Rome in October (American; 40K); and SMF-Washington in November (Continental; 2 persons, 50K). I've paid for SMF-PHL (UA, in April, $297) and SMF-LAX (SWA, in March). That's my entire flight activity for the year, other than the floatplane to Isle Royale, MI. The last two awards were from credit card bonuses. I have banked for future use 35K on US Air and likely 50K from Sapphire.

robyng Jun 12, 2011 12:39 pm


Originally Posted by Reindeerflame (Post 16547314)
I'm not interested in first class or business class air travel. I just want to get there. This year I've redeemed SMF-Duluth in July (United; 25K); SMF-Brussels, return from Rome in October (American; 40K); and SMF-Washington in November (Continental; 2 persons, 50K). I've paid for SMF-PHL (UA, in April, $297) and SMF-LAX (SWA, in March). That's my entire flight activity for the year, other than the floatplane to Isle Royale, MI. The last two awards were from credit card bonuses. I have banked for future use 35K on US Air and likely 50K from Sapphire.

Most of our domestic and NA travel is "back of the plane". Simply because a lot of our flights out of JAX are on small Embraers - only the pilot is in the front of the plane :). But - for long haul flights - we like the front. I think we're getting too old to be comfy in the back of the plane on a trip like EWR to Tokyo (12-13 hours).

In terms of NA flights - since our dates are usually flexible - we can often get pretty good fares to large cities. I would guess however that a trip to Duluth from anywhere would be pretty expensive (did a quick fare check for a trip in October - JAX/LAX is $370 - JAX/Chicago is $290 - JAX/Duluth is $500). Doesn't make sense to use miles for relatively cheap flights IMO. OTOH - miles might make sense for Duluth. Robyn

robyng Jun 12, 2011 12:51 pm


Originally Posted by Mountain Trader (Post 16545507)
Got any good (read: low mark-up) sites for bonds?

OT: Keeping in mind that about the only fixed income I do is callable CDs - treasuries (both coupon and STRIPS) - and munis - and that most is buy and hold - I recommend Zionsdirect ("Bonds for Less") - E*Trade - and Fidelity - in that order. I actually suggest having accounts at all 3 to cross-check prices and inventory. A lot of the prices are the same - and a fair amount of inventory overlaps - because all 3 firms are members of Bonddesk and get most of their offerings from Bonddesk:

http://www.bonddeskgroup.com/

Still - it's good to cross-check. Also to check bond trading histories (easy to do on certain websites these days - to see if the offering price makes any sense). There are pretty much no mark-ups on these bonds - you pay commissions based on what you buy (flat $10.95 per trade at Zionsdirect - which is why I like it the best). Still - the ask price from the seller may be good - bad or indifferent. That's where looking at the trading histories comes into play.

I do trade a bit - longer term position trading - mostly in JNK and STRIPS. The commissions on JNK are pretty much the same at all 3 places. Robyn

robyng Jun 12, 2011 1:03 pm


Originally Posted by thepla (Post 16546901)
feels like Delta. They started the inability to use miles at low awards.

The odd thing about Delta is that when it had an "alliance" (or whatever it was) with CO - you could often get Delta reward flights on the CO website cheaper than you could get them on the Delta website. That is still true of the CO website - and some of the flights it offers on other carriers (like Air Canada if I recall correctly). You have to be a little careful though - because some flights that would be front of plane BF on CO in 2 class planes are middle of plane business-class on flights that have 3 classes of service. That isn't always true though. We once got a CO reward ticket on Virgin Atlantic "Upper Class" (MCO to London). I think that may be the only time I've ever been in the front of a plane that had 3 classes of service.

I don't purport to understand the logic behind any of this - because there doesn't seem to be any! Robyn


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