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ma91pmh Feb 11, 2011 2:47 pm

I think mooper does some great analysis

I would add in the Amex Premier Rewards Gold card if you are doing any spending on flights. You get 3x membership rewards on all flight purchases. This is very attractive

althes Feb 11, 2011 6:47 pm

Good analysis by all.

jtmann Feb 11, 2011 7:43 pm


Originally Posted by ma91pmh (Post 15847304)
Really? That crappy call center where they can only read from scripts in Bangalore?

AMEX CS is seriously over-rated. They are awful

I've been an Amex customer for over 21+ years and I can personally vouch for Amex's superior customer service vs. other credit card companies with Citibank being absolutely atrocious.

Want to dispute a charge by calling in? No problem. Most other credit card companies want you to write them a letter.

Need to replace that lost card is a hurry? No problem. They overnight replacement cards without being asked.

Not sure if my calls are ending up in Bangalore or not but whoever I end up with speaks fluent English so it really doesn't matter.

Try that with Citibank ;)

Jailer Feb 11, 2011 10:42 pm

As a high spend (Starwood ) Amex card holder you will be assigned a concierge.

pykerl Feb 11, 2011 11:29 pm


Originally Posted by naps8906 (Post 15842024)
Woah... That is a great deal. Do you have to be aarp to get this?

My 2nd choice is 2% cash back cc (i.e. fidelity etc.) $20k
My 3rd choice is >1M MR point using Platinum AmEx - great benefits for $450
(convert 1M -> 1.3M AA during promo)
(convert 1M -> 1.5M DL current promo, but only worth $15k, so 2nd choice is better)
4th choice is 1M SPG -> 1.25M AA.

Anyone can be an AARP member--join yourself for $16 or add yourself to someone old's membership for free.

Looks like it may have gotten ignored--fine with me ;).

Keith Flyer Maven Feb 12, 2011 1:54 pm

It's a little hard for me to believe that, with that kind of spending power, you don't have access to a superior level of expertise than one might find in the MilesBuzz forum of FlyerTalk. I would think, for example, a wealth management consultant would have a more expansive point of view, taking in account your entire estate...

toddreg Feb 12, 2011 2:35 pm

Thanks, that was very helpful
 

Originally Posted by Keith Flyer Maven (Post 15852140)
It's a little hard for me to believe that, with that kind of spending power, you don't have access to a superior level of expertise than one might find in the MilesBuzz forum of FlyerTalk. I would think, for example, a wealth management consultant would have a more expansive point of view, taking in account your entire estate...

You have a point in there somewhere?

kaerii Feb 12, 2011 2:39 pm


Originally Posted by Keith Flyer Maven (Post 15852140)
It's a little hard for me to believe that, with that kind of spending power, you don't have access to a superior level of expertise than one might find in the MilesBuzz forum of FlyerTalk. I would think, for example, a wealth management consultant would have a more expansive point of view, taking in account your entire estate...

You did note that part where these are business purchases, right?

oshelef Feb 12, 2011 6:35 pm


Thanks for all the comments. In trying to whittle this down a bit I need to toss out the programs that offer free airline points, I don't need them, got about 1.4 million Delta miles.

Secondly, I need a VISA card for those vendors who don't accept my Delta AMEX, that eliminates a few others. I don't travel much for business nor do I have to purchase airline tickets so we can eliminate the ones who's primary benefit is high rewards for charging hotel/airlines on them.
I think the best choice for the above is the Fidelity Visa. It's 1.5% cash back for the first 15k, and 2% cashback after that. It's similar to the venture card, but you don't need to spend the points on travel. You can get it straight as cash. Basically


Looks like the Marriott card may be an option but I haven't figured out yet which deal is better, racking up a couple 100,000 points on it for just hotel comps or the Venture card that I can use on various expenses. Can someone help me on this one?
That really depends on how much travel and hotel stays you do. I get the sense that you do very little of both. And when you do travel, you want to go different places all the time, and aren't loyal to any particular hotel brand. That makes it hard to get the most perks out of being a high status customer or having a lot of points/miles. Cash is much less hassle to spend and make sure you get your value.

mooper Feb 12, 2011 6:43 pm


Originally Posted by Keith Flyer Maven (Post 15852140)
It's a little hard for me to believe that, with that kind of spending power, you don't have access to a superior level of expertise than one might find in the MilesBuzz forum of FlyerTalk. I would think, for example, a wealth management consultant would have a more expansive point of view, taking in account your entire estate...

Some people don't want to pay for a consultant, as it's easy to learn these tricks free from FT (and probably get better advice than a pro could give you anyway). I put millions of dollars on my credit cards (business expenses, primarily) and never hired someone to guide my credit card decisions. In fact, I know various consultants who get some advice from *me* on the topic.

MyTravels Feb 12, 2011 8:11 pm

Cash is king
 

Originally Posted by oshelef (Post 15828871)
A thought:
Since the OP does little travel, including little family travel, it's not clear to me that miles are the best value.

The fidelity amex would give 2% cash ($20,000/year). That buys a darn nice family vacation once a year.

I couldn't agree more, points are nice but it doesn't sound like the OP is actually using them and if/when (s)he needs them, with 1MM annual spend they can be racked up quickly.

Therefore cash back would be my "go-to" card with points balancing things out as points are needed.




Originally Posted by thetenken (Post 15844069)
1. Get a Hiltons Hhonors Surpass card. $40,000 in spend will grant you Diamond status, which will set you up for nice upgrades in Europe and Asia. The AXON special awards will allow you to have those nice vacations at the nicest Hilton properties, which may have equal or more coverage than Starwoods properties. Just get $40,000 and use for Hilton stays. This will take care of your hotels.

This was better when restaurants/bars were bonused, but want award hotel nights this is better than SPG & Marriott


Originally Posted by thetenken (Post 15844069)
2. Get a American Airlines Visa or the Starwoods card for miles transfers for American. With your spending, it would be easy for you to get 2 million miles in 5 years, which will grant you lifetime elite status with American, giving you lifetime international lounge access through Oneworld. Then you can drop the card.

OP doesn't travel much and has 1.4MM SkyMiles. Lifetime status is nice, but if you don't fly much it's not very relevant.


Originally Posted by thetenken (Post 15844069)
3. Get the American Express Platinum. This will give you travel rewards and lounge access for Delta/American/US Airways domestically. So then you'll be covered. It also has other perks, such as no international interchange fees.

Again, the OP says they don't fly much, so why suggest a card (that has a $450 fee) for lounge access??


Originally Posted by thetenken (Post 15844069)
4. Chase Freedom Visa for cash back in the various rotating categories. Also pick up the Priority Club Visa for the IHG hotel group. Spending $60,000 will get you Platinum status.

Unless the vendors fall in the rotating categories, see the Fidelity recommendation or AXP Blue Cash or AXP Blue Sky

thetenken Feb 13, 2011 1:04 am


Originally Posted by MyTravels (Post 15853562)
I couldn't agree more, points are nice but it doesn't sound like the OP is actually using them and if/when (s)he needs them, with 1MM annual spend they can be racked up quickly.

Therefore cash back would be my "go-to" card with points balancing things out as points are needed.




This was better when restaurants/bars were bonused, but want award hotel nights this is better than SPG & Marriott

OP doesn't travel much and has 1.4MM SkyMiles. Lifetime status is nice, but if you don't fly much it's not very relevant.

Again, the OP says they don't fly much, so why suggest a card (that has a $450 fee) for lounge access??

Unless the vendors fall in the rotating categories, see the Fidelity recommendation or AXP Blue Cash or AXP Blue Sky

I would think the point of getting lifetime elite status is for those who don't travel much. They will always be able to use it, any time in their life, without having to hit the yearly requirements. This would be useful so when he does travel (and I believe he said he wants to begin traveling more) he will always have that option.

OP spends enough per year that he can spread out his purchases across various cards to obtain the maximum possible value. Not sure if his business expenditures will remain as they are now, but getting points across various programs will allow him to get status in various places (and get him status matched if he wants). If he can't find a SPG hotel here that he wants, then there's a Hilton there, or a IHG hotel.

Overall, I agree that cashback should be the go-to option in most scenarios, but OP wanted award stays. If he gets Hilton Diamond via spend, and travels somewhere with his family, he'll be able to redeem for a nice resort somewhere and receive better treatment and upgrades. Same with Priority Club IHG. Dropping $40k and $60k spend a year out of a million to get status, and $2 million for just two years for lifetime status makes sense to me.

You are right about the Platinum card.

thetenken Feb 13, 2011 1:08 am

Oh yeah, and Priority Club allows you to redeem across multiple hotel groups not even in its own. This can add to its use as a flexible card. The credit card also has no foreign exchange fees.

Jailer Feb 13, 2011 8:45 am

While cash IS king, MyTravels, when using a cash-back card for business expenses isn’t it a taxable event? While an individual consumer is using post-tax dollars, a business is using pre-tax. Although I have never had a cash-back card I assume that you get a net bill reflecting the rebate, so the business check you write (and deduct) is for the discounted amount. Since this might siphon off as much as 40%, or more, of the rebate in taxes, I don’t see the cash back as that great of an option for a busines owner. Maybe I am missing something fundamental.

oshelef Feb 13, 2011 8:54 am


Originally Posted by Jailer (Post 15855472)
While cash IS king, MyTravels, when using a cash-back card for business expenses isn’t it a taxable event? While an individual consumer is using post-tax dollars, a business is using pre-tax. Although I have never had a cash-back card I assume that you get a net bill reflecting the rebate, so the business check you write (and deduct) is for the discounted amount. Since this might siphon off as much as 40%, or more, of the rebate in taxes, I don’t see the cash back as that great of an option for a busines owner. Maybe I am missing something fundamental.

While I don't know about the direct tax question, most "cash back" cards actually earn some sort of points that are redeemable for cash back. In that sense the bill is for the full amount and the miles/cashback is a separate transaction. And since, technically, they give you points, I'm guessing that means that they have the same tax status as miles cards.


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