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wanaflyforless Jul 6, 2010 12:22 am


Originally Posted by techboyds (Post 14249289)
Paypal also has a reputation for locking accounts and seizing assets with little or no explanation, taking months to investigate, and not necessarily coming up with a result that is favorable. I frequently see people on Fatwallet and elsewhere recommending that if one must have a Paypal account, it be linked to a secondary checking account, with money only in that as needed.

I have been through a few storms with Paypal - a major inconvenience and they required me to provide an awful lot of documentation - but in the end, my account was always restored after my information checked out. While Payapl has frustrated me, I do understand that Paypal is a major fraud target and tool. While sites like www.Paypalsucks.com are very scary for the Paypal business user, I have no way to verify if the people posting the Paypal horor stories were involved in illegal activities, refused to provide documentation, provided false information, etc. It could be the people at Paypal were just doing their job.

techboyds Jul 6, 2010 12:28 am

I'm not suggesting that Paypal is evil (though many do).

I'd suggest, though, that given their history (and the potential for fraud you mention), running hundreds of thousands of dollars of fake credit card charges through them might not necessarily be the best idea, even if it's technically legal.

njarecki Jul 6, 2010 4:00 am

Wanaflyforless's post was sensational and precisely the kind I had hoped to encourage. You are an inspiration to us all, sir. Bravo.

shipping Jul 6, 2010 4:29 am

shipping forums
 
Why don't you invest some time on FT and put some time in here to gleam the benefits that come with posting and reading posts. There are dozens of schemes already posted. Search and read them and formulate your list to report back to us. That is buying in to the community and we will give you a for your efforts.


______________________________________thank you

njarecki Jul 6, 2010 4:31 am

shipping- thanks-- i have done that in this thread twice already. did you read it?

Roka Jul 6, 2010 9:02 am


Originally Posted by lkar (Post 14244157)
The 50 bonus is not through payusatax. It's a current promo that USAir is running through July 31 for transfers of miles from partners, including hotel partners. You need to register. http://shopping.usairways.com/promot...c=dm_txt_00908

So, if you have a starwood amex, it would work like this:

1) Pay $100,000 using official payments (which drops you to 2.1 percent surcharge).

2) This will give you 100,000 starwood points, which convert at a rate of 1.25/1 to U.S. Air. With the 50 percent bonus that's 180k miles.

To make it work, you'd need to have your starwood amex statement close before July 31 so that the points will post to your account for the USAir promo.

Make sense?

It does. But I don't have a credit a limit of $100,000. Does Amex make exception to its credit limit for tax payments?

Evan! Jul 6, 2010 9:34 am


Originally Posted by Roka (Post 14251035)
It does. But I don't have a credit a limit of $100,000. Does Amex make exception to its credit limit for tax payments?

No they do not! Who would you rather have on your back for a bill? The IRS or Amex?

You can try to pay $100K on your account thus reflecting a negative balance. but the attempted charge might be placed up against your limit and not your balance thus still being rejected.

Have you called Amex and asked them? It couldn't hurt.

techboyds Jul 6, 2010 9:36 am

In this credit environment (and with AMEX's penchant for financial review), I have to wonder if any kind of ridiculously unusual activity is a good idea. Overpaying a card by $100,000 sure seems unusual to me (and might even appear to be something more than shady, like money laundering).

Boy, am I a wet blanket today.

Roka Jul 6, 2010 11:40 am


Originally Posted by techboyds (Post 14251276)
In this credit environment (and with AMEX's penchant for financial review), I have to wonder if any kind of ridiculously unusual activity is a good idea. Overpaying a card by $100,000 sure seems unusual to me (and might even appear to be something more than shady, like money laundering).

Boy, am I a wet blanket today.

I believe that Amex does not allow you to make payments in excess of the balance on your account. I am pretty sure you cannot do so online. And I believe there is a rule along these lines.

MrHalliday Jul 6, 2010 11:51 am


Originally Posted by Roka (Post 14252009)
I believe that Amex does not allow you to make payments in excess of the balance on your account.

I believe I have done this thrice in the last month. @:-)

Roka Jul 6, 2010 1:12 pm


Originally Posted by MrHalliday (Post 14252077)
I believe I have done this thrice in the last month. @:-)

Electronically? I recently tried and it would not allow me to make a payment in excess of balance. I can pay more than the balance due, but not more than total the outstanding balance.

josephstern Jul 6, 2010 1:20 pm


Originally Posted by Roka (Post 14252509)
Electronically? I recently tried and it would not allow me to make a payment in excess of balance. I can pay more than the balance due, but not more than total the outstanding balance.

You have to do it as a push from your bank's bill pay service. Then it gets there electronically, and you're fine.

davef139 Jul 6, 2010 2:11 pm

Using a merchant account is a bad idea, if you are using one in place its a bad idea as if they find out you would get shutdown and would place problems for legit transactions. Its not advisable to open a merchant account for this purpose also, as it is against the TOS.


I dont get the official payments idea as where are you going to send the 100k, if your tax bill is that high I think you aren't going to be too worried about buying miles via rewards. I think there are fines for overpaying taxes by an excessive amount.

Also overpaying an AMEX can get them to freeze your account, they do not like it when you overpay its a giant red flag for illegal activity.

josephstern Jul 6, 2010 2:41 pm


Originally Posted by davef139 (Post 14252823)
Using a merchant account is a bad idea, if you are using one in place its a bad idea as if they find out you would get shutdown and would place problems for legit transactions. Its not advisable to open a merchant account for this purpose also, as it is against the TOS.


I dont get the official payments idea as where are you going to send the 100k, if your tax bill is that high I think you aren't going to be too worried about buying miles via rewards. I think there are fines for overpaying taxes by an excessive amount.

Also overpaying an AMEX can get them to freeze your account, they do not like it when you overpay its a giant red flag for illegal activity.

If you're looking for miles and you have a business with a merchant account, you might want to check out this deal:

http://www.aa.com/i18n/AAdvantage/pa...vices/bbcp.jsp

Tell us if they offer competitive rates!

Roka Jul 6, 2010 8:19 pm


Originally Posted by davef139 (Post 14252823)
Using a merchant account is a bad idea, if you are using one in place its a bad idea as if they find out you would get shutdown and would place problems for legit transactions. Its not advisable to open a merchant account for this purpose also, as it is against the TOS.


I dont get the official payments idea as where are you going to send the 100k, if your tax bill is that high I think you aren't going to be too worried about buying miles via rewards. I think there are fines for overpaying taxes by an excessive amount.

Also overpaying an AMEX can get them to freeze your account, they do not like it when you overpay its a giant red flag for illegal activity.

I've heard of penalties for underpayment of taxes, but why would you get penalized for effectively subsidizing the US government?


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