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mondo Nov 22, 2009 11:46 am


Originally Posted by biggestbopper (Post 12861753)
Didn't the US beat the Nazis? Was that an improvement?

Been to a National Park lately? Say, Yosemite? Unhappy it wasn't logged over? Is that an improvement on clear-cutting Yosemite Valley?

+1
Ironic that people are using the Internet to criticize government programs.


They are desparate (sic) to get more tax money to pay for the health plan.
People really think that without R&D through the NIH the US drug companies would deliver quality health care products. Oh wait, avoid the H1N1 vaccine, it's a conspiracy. Perhaps more spending on education is needed.

By the way, there wasn't a single mention of taxes in the article.

SFO777 Nov 22, 2009 11:54 am


Originally Posted by biggestbopper (Post 12861753)
Didn't the US beat the Nazis?

Well, actually no. The Allies defeated the Nazis. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

And yeah, I just love the efficiency and customer friendly service of the USPS. :D:D

senoreit Nov 22, 2009 12:09 pm


Originally Posted by jgxtrav1 (Post 12861709)
When is the last time you saw the federal government get involved in something and things got better in the long run?

Originally Posted by biggestbopper (Post 12861753)
Didn't the US beat the Nazis? Was that an improvement?


You're citing as the "last time the federal government got involved in something and things got better" something that happened almost 65 years ago? Kind of supports jgxtrav1's argument, I'd say. :p

DivMiler Nov 22, 2009 12:40 pm


Originally Posted by sushanna1 (Post 12861501)
Anyone here a member of a "frequent frier" program?

Yep. KFC's. I was a General for the last couple of years, but I won't make it this year. I'm hoping for a soft landing to Colonel come March.

maclover Nov 22, 2009 12:56 pm


Originally Posted by biggestbopper (Post 12861753)
In any event, the FF programs are not honestly run @:-)--if you don't see that, well then ...:rolleyes:

It really males me laugh out loud reading this on FT...
Are we talking about the same persons that do use mistake rates to accumulate tons of miles?
Are we talking about the same people signing up for a credit card just t cancel it after getting the bonus miles every other month?

FF programs are what most Americans deserve and we (as European) are paying the free tickets for them in the first place. Higher taxes, higher base fares, lower miles earning schemes and so on

sorry for the rant
maclover

CMK10 Nov 22, 2009 1:39 pm

Q: Where's the most dangerous place to be in Washington?

A: Between Chuck Schumer and a microphone. ;)

pkerr Nov 22, 2009 1:58 pm


Originally Posted by biggestbopper (Post 12861496)
IMHO, the FF programs are in desparate need of regulation. Why should miles evaporate without notice?

And, what about the ongoing problems with getting what was promised, free flights? How about those wacky surcharges and fees on "free" flights? And, that's just for starters.

Go Schumer! :D

Miles DON'T evaporate without notice. Check your account and it tells you how long until the miles expire. Are they supposed to make a personal phone call every month to let you know how many months you have left?

My only experience is with AA and their availability but I've not had to much trouble getting free flights. If you want to go at a peak time, then yes, you'll have trouble, just as you'll have to pay more $$ at a peak time. If you want to spend more miles then you can get any seat at any time.

And as far as I know, there is no charge to redeem miles. Just the usual security fees.

SFO777 Nov 22, 2009 2:06 pm


Originally Posted by pkerr (Post 12862562)
Miles DON'T evaporate without notice. Check your account and it tells you how long until the miles expire. Are they supposed to make a personal phone call every month to let you know how many months you have left?

Apparently yes, in today's era of zero personal responsibility.

*A Flyer Nov 22, 2009 2:17 pm


Apparently yes, in today's era of zero personal responsibility.
I see this less as a case of zero personal responsibilty and more of a case of difficult to understand contracts that contain confusing terms that make no sense to most people without a law degree.

Furthermore, there are enough people who don't know that they can access their account online or who fly so infrequently that they probably only log in once a year for whom there needs to be better notice. Either a mandatory letter warning of expiration 2 or 3 months prior or a phone call. Simple, really.

SFO777 Nov 22, 2009 2:26 pm


Originally Posted by *A Flyer (Post 12862636)
Furthermore, there are enough people who don't know that they can access their account online or who fly so infrequently that they probably only log in once a year for whom there needs to be better notice. Either a mandatory letter warning of expiration 2 or 3 months prior or a phone call. Simple, really.

Hmm, sure sounds like an example of zero personal responsibility to me.

mlshanks Nov 22, 2009 2:37 pm


Originally Posted by biggestbopper (Post 12861753)
Been to a National Park lately? Say, Yosemite? Unhappy it wasn't logged over? Is that an improvement on clear-cutting Yosemite Valley?

Parts of Yosemite National Park *WERE* historically logged over.... And I doubt seriously you could tell the difference between old growth and 2nd growth areas w/o a biologist on hand. The only logging in Yosemite Valley was for timbers that built some of the oldest structures in the valley....because there is no cost effective way to get that timber from the valley to any market. Nobody clear-cuts with some profit motive, bopper.

adamak Nov 22, 2009 2:46 pm

I don't see how Schumer / Government can have a say on this.

1. You don't 'pay' for the miles. It's kinda like icing on the cake. Regardless how we feel we're entitled to upgrades, bonus, no expiration....etc, miles are given to us by airline companies. And like pension, they can just take it away.

2. There are warnings about expiration.

3. Awards are very hard to come by. Yes, we all know that. Hence FT's existence. If redemption is so easy, airline will be out of business. What do you think the gov't can do about this? Forcing certain # of seats per flights?

joefiro Nov 22, 2009 2:59 pm


Originally Posted by John Brock (Post 12861755)
They are desparate to get more tax money to pay for the health plan.

"They are?" "health plan"? You should have just left your politics at the door.

TravelinWilly Nov 22, 2009 3:03 pm


Originally Posted by adamak (Post 12862772)
3. Awards are very hard to come by. Yes, we all know that. Hence FT's existence.

Crafting award strategies is but a teeny tiny fraction of FT's raison d'être.

njswamps Nov 22, 2009 3:04 pm

Sen. Schumer
Please stay away.
Is there a Senator out there who would say, "It is not my responsibility to do anything about this. Wait, I know, I will hold a hearing"


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