Immediate turn around at JFK?
#1
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Immediate turn around at JFK?
Hi There
I’m planning a Japan airline mileage run with the JL NYC-CGK C class discount fare plus the double FOP promo. Since I’m base in Asia, am I allowed to fly to JFK with JL on one ticket and fly out straight away with JL again on a different ticket same day same aircraft I flew with? I won’t have any check in luggages as I will only have a carry-on luggage only.
so my trip will be book on 2 tickets.
SIN-NRT-JFK return
JFK-NRT-CGK return
combine them which then become SIN-NRT-JFK-NRT-CGK-NRT-JFK-NRT-SIN.
Thanks~
I’m planning a Japan airline mileage run with the JL NYC-CGK C class discount fare plus the double FOP promo. Since I’m base in Asia, am I allowed to fly to JFK with JL on one ticket and fly out straight away with JL again on a different ticket same day same aircraft I flew with? I won’t have any check in luggages as I will only have a carry-on luggage only.
so my trip will be book on 2 tickets.
SIN-NRT-JFK return
JFK-NRT-CGK return
combine them which then become SIN-NRT-JFK-NRT-CGK-NRT-JFK-NRT-SIN.
Thanks~
#2
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Hi There
I’m planning a Japan airline mileage run with the JL NYC-CGK C class discount fare plus the double FOP promo. Since I’m base in Asia, am I allowed to fly to JFK with JL on one ticket and fly out straight away with JL again on a different ticket same day same aircraft I flew with? I won’t have any check in luggages as I will only have a carry-on luggage only.
so my trip will be book on 2 tickets.
SIN-NRT-JFK return
JFK-NRT-CGK return
combine them which then become SIN-NRT-JFK-NRT-CGK-NRT-JFK-NRT-SIN.
Thanks~
I’m planning a Japan airline mileage run with the JL NYC-CGK C class discount fare plus the double FOP promo. Since I’m base in Asia, am I allowed to fly to JFK with JL on one ticket and fly out straight away with JL again on a different ticket same day same aircraft I flew with? I won’t have any check in luggages as I will only have a carry-on luggage only.
so my trip will be book on 2 tickets.
SIN-NRT-JFK return
JFK-NRT-CGK return
combine them which then become SIN-NRT-JFK-NRT-CGK-NRT-JFK-NRT-SIN.
Thanks~
#3
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it’s for Japan airline JGC Premier status which is equivalent to OW emerald status. With JAL JGC premier you can also give another JGC premier status to your family. So effectively 2 OW emerald status
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I'm presuming you can enter the USA without having to apply for a visa.
I've done something similar from the USA to London and another time to Madrid. London was easy and I could just transit within security and never actually enter the UK. The person in charge of the transition area asked what I was doing and I told him mileage run and he said good luck and have fun. It was pretty interesting when I checked in at the USA. The ticket agents were confused because when I checked in, the tickets for both my departure and return printed since it was all within a 24 hour time frame. I explained what I was doing and they just nodded as if they understood and wished me luck.
Madrid on the other hand was a pain and it wasn't even customs that was the problem. There was no way to transition within the security area and I had to enter Spain and check in at the regular check in area (Since I used partner planes the airline couldn't print my departure and return tickets). I was trying to check in with Iberia and I got grilled by the ticketing agent who called their manager and then called on the phone several times. They couldn't understand what would posses a person to do a mileage run and were considering me as some sort of security threat. They wanted proof that I had a job and worked (I showed them my medical card connected to the company I worked for) on top of my passport, driver's license, and credit cards. Eventually they checked me in, but it took around 30 minutes as she had to make several phone calls and talk to the manager on duty several times.
There is no law against what you're trying to do, but be prepared to be grilled by customs or the ticketing agent about what you're doing.
I've done something similar from the USA to London and another time to Madrid. London was easy and I could just transit within security and never actually enter the UK. The person in charge of the transition area asked what I was doing and I told him mileage run and he said good luck and have fun. It was pretty interesting when I checked in at the USA. The ticket agents were confused because when I checked in, the tickets for both my departure and return printed since it was all within a 24 hour time frame. I explained what I was doing and they just nodded as if they understood and wished me luck.
Madrid on the other hand was a pain and it wasn't even customs that was the problem. There was no way to transition within the security area and I had to enter Spain and check in at the regular check in area (Since I used partner planes the airline couldn't print my departure and return tickets). I was trying to check in with Iberia and I got grilled by the ticketing agent who called their manager and then called on the phone several times. They couldn't understand what would posses a person to do a mileage run and were considering me as some sort of security threat. They wanted proof that I had a job and worked (I showed them my medical card connected to the company I worked for) on top of my passport, driver's license, and credit cards. Eventually they checked me in, but it took around 30 minutes as she had to make several phone calls and talk to the manager on duty several times.
There is no law against what you're trying to do, but be prepared to be grilled by customs or the ticketing agent about what you're doing.
#5
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I would highly recommend against attempting this (unless you are a US national).
It can take a long time to clear US immigration, and you are likely to come to their attention, and you may be sent for secondary inspection/questioning. There is absolutely no guarantee that you will be admitted to the country in time to make it airside, check in again, clear security, and board your onward flight.
There's always an outside chance that you may be refused entry; this could severely hamper your ability to travel to the US again for some time.
The USA is definitely not a place to attempt immediate turnarounds as a non-national.
It can take a long time to clear US immigration, and you are likely to come to their attention, and you may be sent for secondary inspection/questioning. There is absolutely no guarantee that you will be admitted to the country in time to make it airside, check in again, clear security, and board your onward flight.
There's always an outside chance that you may be refused entry; this could severely hamper your ability to travel to the US again for some time.
The USA is definitely not a place to attempt immediate turnarounds as a non-national.
#6
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I'm presuming you can enter the USA without having to apply for a visa.
I've done something similar from the USA to London and another time to Madrid. London was easy and I could just transit within security and never actually enter the UK. The person in charge of the transition area asked what I was doing and I told him mileage run and he said good luck and have fun. It was pretty interesting when I checked in at the USA. The ticket agents were confused because when I checked in, the tickets for both my departure and return printed since it was all within a 24 hour time frame. I explained what I was doing and they just nodded as if they understood and wished me luck.
Madrid on the other hand was a pain and it wasn't even customs that was the problem. There was no way to transition within the security area and I had to enter Spain and check in at the regular check in area (Since I used partner planes the airline couldn't print my departure and return tickets). I was trying to check in with Iberia and I got grilled by the ticketing agent who called their manager and then called on the phone several times. They couldn't understand what would posses a person to do a mileage run and were considering me as some sort of security threat. They wanted proof that I had a job and worked (I showed them my medical card connected to the company I worked for) on top of my passport, driver's license, and credit cards. Eventually they checked me in, but it took around 30 minutes as she had to make several phone calls and talk to the manager on duty several times.
There is no law against what you're trying to do, but be prepared to be grilled by customs or the ticketing agent about what you're doing.
I've done something similar from the USA to London and another time to Madrid. London was easy and I could just transit within security and never actually enter the UK. The person in charge of the transition area asked what I was doing and I told him mileage run and he said good luck and have fun. It was pretty interesting when I checked in at the USA. The ticket agents were confused because when I checked in, the tickets for both my departure and return printed since it was all within a 24 hour time frame. I explained what I was doing and they just nodded as if they understood and wished me luck.
Madrid on the other hand was a pain and it wasn't even customs that was the problem. There was no way to transition within the security area and I had to enter Spain and check in at the regular check in area (Since I used partner planes the airline couldn't print my departure and return tickets). I was trying to check in with Iberia and I got grilled by the ticketing agent who called their manager and then called on the phone several times. They couldn't understand what would posses a person to do a mileage run and were considering me as some sort of security threat. They wanted proof that I had a job and worked (I showed them my medical card connected to the company I worked for) on top of my passport, driver's license, and credit cards. Eventually they checked me in, but it took around 30 minutes as she had to make several phone calls and talk to the manager on duty several times.
There is no law against what you're trying to do, but be prepared to be grilled by customs or the ticketing agent about what you're doing.
#7
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I would highly recommend against attempting this (unless you are a US national).
It can take a long time to clear US immigration, and you are likely to come to their attention, and you may be sent for secondary inspection/questioning. There is absolutely no guarantee that you will be admitted to the country in time to make it airside, check in again, clear security, and board your onward flight.
There's always an outside chance that you may be refused entry; this could severely hamper your ability to travel to the US again for some time.
The USA is definitely not a place to attempt immediate turnarounds as a non-national.
It can take a long time to clear US immigration, and you are likely to come to their attention, and you may be sent for secondary inspection/questioning. There is absolutely no guarantee that you will be admitted to the country in time to make it airside, check in again, clear security, and board your onward flight.
There's always an outside chance that you may be refused entry; this could severely hamper your ability to travel to the US again for some time.
The USA is definitely not a place to attempt immediate turnarounds as a non-national.
#8
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I’m not US national but can get ESTA. I was hoping it’s like Singapore where you can just walk to transfer desk or go to your next flights boarding gate ( if you already have boarding pass issued). I wasn’t sure what’s it like in US since I can’t remember much when I flew there last time. I know some countries doesn’t allow you to do that for example Vietnam. I really do like flying and at the same time with a full time job, leaves are precious. Hence I just want to save some days if I can. Thank you for your advice
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I would highly recommend against attempting this (unless you are a US national).
It can take a long time to clear US immigration, and you are likely to come to their attention, and you may be sent for secondary inspection/questioning. There is absolutely no guarantee that you will be admitted to the country in time to make it airside, check in again, clear security, and board your onward flight.
There's always an outside chance that you may be refused entry; this could severely hamper your ability to travel to the US again for some time.
The USA is definitely not a place to attempt immediate turnarounds as a non-national.
It can take a long time to clear US immigration, and you are likely to come to their attention, and you may be sent for secondary inspection/questioning. There is absolutely no guarantee that you will be admitted to the country in time to make it airside, check in again, clear security, and board your onward flight.
There's always an outside chance that you may be refused entry; this could severely hamper your ability to travel to the US again for some time.
The USA is definitely not a place to attempt immediate turnarounds as a non-national.
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Definitely don’t do it. I spent 4 hours at secondary passport at LAX in FEB on CDG-LAX, LAX-HND-LHR on 8 hour connection. You can’t use your mobile
phone in there so trying to rebook or whatever isn’t possible and no way they’ll help you to skip the line. You never know who you will run into and most people don’t believe you do this for unlimited Krug.
phone in there so trying to rebook or whatever isn’t possible and no way they’ll help you to skip the line. You never know who you will run into and most people don’t believe you do this for unlimited Krug.
#12
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I’m not US national but can get ESTA. I was hoping it’s like Singapore where you can just walk to transfer desk or go to your next flights boarding gate ( if you already have boarding pass issued). I wasn’t sure what’s it like in US since I can’t remember much when I flew there last time. I know some countries doesn’t allow you to do that for example Vietnam. I really do like flying and at the same time with a full time job, leaves are precious. Hence I just want to save some days if I can. Thank you for your advice
#13
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If you have US Visa/Visa-Free on hand, make a night at the airside before transferring back, this creates more room for delays, immigration and security problems etc. I suppose that the cost of an airside hotel is of negligible importance to the cost of the ticket?
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Definitely don’t do it. I spent 4 hours at secondary passport at LAX in FEB on CDG-LAX, LAX-HND-LHR on 8 hour connection. You can’t use your mobile
phone in there so trying to rebook or whatever isn’t possible and no way they’ll help you to skip the line. You never know who you will run into and most people don’t believe you do this for unlimited Krug.
phone in there so trying to rebook or whatever isn’t possible and no way they’ll help you to skip the line. You never know who you will run into and most people don’t believe you do this for unlimited Krug.
That is true. But being travelling with a higher fare class ticket I can also change flight if I do miss the flight.