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{prem fare gone}: AF/KL/DL/VS: BUD-US from $750 R/T

{prem fare gone}: AF/KL/DL/VS: BUD-US from $750 R/T

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FARE RULES:
I pulled down the DL fare rules (these are BUD-SEA but they all appeared nearly identical). I posted them on a share. We can easily grab the AF and KL variants if others need those.

Q: This is a fully flexible fare with free changes. Does that mean I can change the flight dates as I want without paying anything extra?
A: No. The airline simply doesn't charge a change fee. But depending on the fare rules, you will still need to pay the difference to the new price.

Q: But I read that some people could change their flights for free...?
A: The rules for this fare (linked to above) specify that historical pricing shall be used if either at least one flight from the ticket has been taken or the outbound remains the same. In other words, in order to be able to change your flights for free, you must have flown at least one flight from your booking. Otherwise, you can only change the inbound. The outbound has to remain the same or you will be charged the fare difference.

Q: Can I change the rest of the itinerary after flying the first segment without any other charges or additional fare differences?
A: Yes this is possible according to the fare rules where after completing the first segment, you can change the rest of the flights for free (with the condition that the same fare class is available- I-class - in this case. According to the fare rules, after flying the FIRST segment (in the case here BUD-XXX) the historical fare is used. Possible to use the first stopover at AMS or CDG (see post #830).

Q: But some people could change their outbound flights for free!
A: They got lucky. It was probably a bug on the website/in the app. When no flight from the ticket has been flown, the fare rules do not allow changing the outbound without repricing.

Q: Ok, ok, so I can only change the inbound for free. How do I do that?
A: You search for availability for alternative flights on ITA Matrix using "F ..I2FFHU" in the extension codes. You must search for round trip flights as this is a round trip fare. Then you ignore the outbound result (as long as you haven't flown at least one flight from your ticket) and just try to rebook your inbound on the website/app.

Q: I have found availability on ITA Matrix, but the app/website doesn't show me those flights!
A: Keep trying. Sometimes you may have to serach in a different way (split up the searches, e.g. HNL-LAX and LAX-BUD), sometimes you just have to repeat the search several times. But that's no guarantee the desired results will turn up (and without repricing).

Q: It doesn't work. Can I just call the airline to make the changes?
A: Please don't unless you need to. Calling can increase the risk for all of us that they'll change their mind and disallow all further changes, or simply cancel everyone's tickets. However, as this fare has now been running for months and has seen many calls made about it, it is reasonable to expect that calling will not cause issues at this stage. As best practice, avoid attracting attention on the low price paid, and avoid making additional demands or tempting your luck. Remember you get to fly a J ticket for the cost of a Y fare.

Q: How many times can I make changes?
A: In theory, as often as you like, but you can't make more than two changes online/in the app. After that, you'd have to call, which we are trying to avoid.

Q: I've changed my mind. Can I get a refund?
A: Yes, the fare was fully refundable. Just contact the airline or fill out a refund form online.

Q: Due to Coronavirus, I need to extend my travel plan beyond the original expiry date. What can I do?
A: For Delta tickets (starting with 006) you can travel at any point until December 2022. Changes to flights within a 10 month window can be done at any point on the app, following the rules above. If you want to fly later than 10 months from now, you can call Delta and ask them to "park" your ticket. You will receive a ticket number that ties to an eCredit which can be used later to buy tickets. As long as you keep the original itinerary, or if you have flown at least a segment, you will not be charged a fare difference. Bear in mind that the eCredit may only be refundable if your original flight was cancelled (which is very likely in those day and times). Note that only Delta in the US are able to do this so do not call the EU numbers (use Skype to save money on international calls). According to user feedback: iMessage agents seem to also be able to do this, but twitter agents not.
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Old Mar 17, 20, 2:36 am
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I've got one I can modify - that's all prime codes - and two I can't which contain codes shares [all booked on Delta]. Also have issues with seat selection, so am wondering about calling and asking if they'll reissue the tickets on prime codes - obviously won't be doing this for a month or so [both due to not wanting to clog the lines right now and leaving the fare some time to "stick"].

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Old Mar 17, 20, 4:26 am
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Originally Posted by justflyaway View Post
I booked with KLM but could modify with Delta. After the last modification it now tells me I have to call if I want to modify more
Originally all automated exchanges could only be done just once. After that one would still need to ask an agent to make further changes. Not sure if this is still the case (the limitation of the GDS tools).
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Old Mar 17, 20, 4:30 am
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Originally Posted by canadavid View Post
I2FFGB with AF (057 tickets)
Were there any promo fares ex UK?
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Old Mar 17, 20, 4:40 am
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Originally Posted by Keter View Post
Were there any promo fares ex UK?
I had checked LHR before booking from BUD and can't recall any of these fares from LHR.
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Old Mar 17, 20, 5:20 am
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Originally Posted by Keter View Post
Were there any promo fares ex UK?
Not that I saw. The sale ran for a long time, departing from just BUD. I missed the first part, then took a three hour flight, and then finally booked my ticket.
Best option was HNL, but that disappeared too soon for me.
Then LAX was an easy find, along with LAS, ANC, FAI, SEA, YVR, MIA for $800.
I didn't realise DL booked into D, otherwise I would have gone for it. I preferred KL as it had the fewest connections.
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Old Mar 17, 20, 5:44 am
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Originally Posted by RollAnotherFatOne View Post
Not that I saw. The sale ran for a long time, departing from just BUD. I missed the first part, then took a three hour flight, and then finally booked my ticket.
Best option was HNL, but that disappeared too soon for me.
Then LAX was an easy find, along with LAS, ANC, FAI, SEA, YVR, MIA for $800.
I didn't realise DL booked into D, otherwise I would have gone for it. I preferred KL as it had the fewest connections.
Which route did you get in D? All the way through or just some segments? I do not recall seeing any D fare, does not mean it was not available of course.
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Old Mar 17, 20, 5:55 am
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Originally Posted by Keter View Post
Which route did you get in D? All the way through or just some segments? I do not recall seeing any D fare, does not mean it was not available of course.
This poster got the D.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32194518-post410.html
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Old Mar 17, 20, 7:07 am
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Originally Posted by RollAnotherFatOne View Post

Exactly. I got D (originally I) after changing my flights on klm.com

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Old Mar 17, 20, 7:09 am
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Was your ticket issued by Delta, KLM or AF? How did you book? On the KLM website?
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Old Mar 17, 20, 7:16 am
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How did you change your flights through KLM.com without no additional cost? I can change my flight but it's in millions of HUF and I can change just the whole trip not just parts of it.
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Old Mar 17, 20, 8:17 am
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Originally Posted by ChocolateFactory View Post
Was your ticket issued by Delta, KLM or AF? How did you book? On the KLM website?
Originally Posted by Strihtrs View Post
How did you change your flights through KLM.com without no additional cost? I can change my flight but it's in millions of HUF and I can change just the whole trip not just parts of it.
Booked on klm.com, 074 stock. Originally for the outbound I was only able to choose KL1972/603 (plus a few AF flights but I avoid CDG if I can), yesterday when I checked back it said 0 HUF for literally any routing/flight changes.

Return -booked for next march- changes are pricing in the millions HUF, maybe I'll be able to push it after the outbound was flown. Feels like the ex-Vietnam CX game all over again, co complaints tho.
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Old Mar 17, 20, 8:31 am
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Originally Posted by olgsr View Post
Exactly. I got D (originally I) after changing my flights on klm.com

Wow that's interesting. What is your destination if you don't mind sharing? Just curious to know better how these things work.
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Old Mar 17, 20, 9:29 am
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I just played with my reservations and here are my observations. First all my reservations are ticketed by 006/ DL - this was done on purpose as DL has proved to be more flexible in changes to mistake fare tickets (not sure how this is true about flights between Europe and US though). My previous experience with AF for example is once a mistake fare is blocked for reissue/ revalidation AF/ KL only can change dates, they are not willing to reroute under the existing 'promo' fare.

All my reservations were booked via Orbitz.

Some of my reservations do not show all segments on DL.com - my guess these cannot be changed via the web, since the system does not see part of the trip and thus these cannot be priced correctly. Need a human agent to do this.

I got luck to change the return part of one of the reservations for now (which shows all segments on DL.com) - it was showing 682 USD to pay but when i click i realised there is 27 USD refund (shall be all in taxes otherwise refund is not normally permitted). I did not complete this change though. Happy to see its working.
No D class in new segments though.

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Old Mar 17, 20, 9:53 am
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@Keter you did it on orbitz or DL?
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Old Mar 17, 20, 10:07 am
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I just realized that my ticket number changed. I first had a 074 ticket number so KLM stock (?), now I have a 006 ticket number.
What consequences does that have?
​​​​​​ Booking classes were J I and one segment in Y, now it's all J and I
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