Mar 15, 2020, 10:29 am
Last edit by: Maestro Ramen
FARE RULES:
I pulled down the DL fare rules (these are BUD-SEA but they all appeared nearly identical). I posted them on a share. We can easily grab the AF and KL variants if others need those.
Q: This is a fully flexible fare with free changes. Does that mean I can change the flight dates as I want without paying anything extra?
A: No. The airline simply doesn't charge a change fee. But depending on the fare rules, you will still need to pay the difference to the new price.
Q: But I read that some people could change their flights for free...?
A: The rules for this fare (linked to above) specify that historical pricing shall be used if either at least one flight from the ticket has been taken or the outbound remains the same. In other words, in order to be able to change your flights for free, you must have flown at least one flight from your booking. Otherwise, you can only change the inbound. The outbound has to remain the same or you will be charged the fare difference.
Q: Can I change the rest of the itinerary after flying the first segment without any other charges or additional fare differences?
A: Yes this is possible according to the fare rules where after completing the first segment, you can change the rest of the flights for free (with the condition that the same fare class is available- I-class - in this case. According to the fare rules, after flying the FIRST segment (in the case here BUD-XXX) the historical fare is used. Possible to use the first stopover at AMS or CDG (see post #830).
Q: But some people could change their outbound flights for free!
A: They got lucky. It was probably a bug on the website/in the app. When no flight from the ticket has been flown, the fare rules do not allow changing the outbound without repricing.
Q: Ok, ok, so I can only change the inbound for free. How do I do that?
A: You search for availability for alternative flights on ITA Matrix using "F ..I2FFHU" in the extension codes. You must search for round trip flights as this is a round trip fare. Then you ignore the outbound result (as long as you haven't flown at least one flight from your ticket) and just try to rebook your inbound on the website/app.
Q: I have found availability on ITA Matrix, but the app/website doesn't show me those flights!
A: Keep trying. Sometimes you may have to serach in a different way (split up the searches, e.g. HNL-LAX and LAX-BUD), sometimes you just have to repeat the search several times. But that's no guarantee the desired results will turn up (and without repricing).
Q: It doesn't work. Can I just call the airline to make the changes?
A: Please don't unless you need to. Calling can increase the risk for all of us that they'll change their mind and disallow all further changes, or simply cancel everyone's tickets. However, as this fare has now been running for months and has seen many calls made about it, it is reasonable to expect that calling will not cause issues at this stage. As best practice, avoid attracting attention on the low price paid, and avoid making additional demands or tempting your luck. Remember you get to fly a J ticket for the cost of a Y fare.
Q: How many times can I make changes?
A: In theory, as often as you like, but you can't make more than two changes online/in the app. After that, you'd have to call, which we are trying to avoid.
Q: I've changed my mind. Can I get a refund?
A: Yes, the fare was fully refundable. Just contact the airline or fill out a refund form online.
Q: Due to Coronavirus, I need to extend my travel plan beyond the original expiry date. What can I do?
A: For Delta tickets (starting with 006) you can travel at any point until December 2022. Changes to flights within a 10 month window can be done at any point on the app, following the rules above. If you want to fly later than 10 months from now, you can call Delta and ask them to "park" your ticket. You will receive a ticket number that ties to an eCredit which can be used later to buy tickets. As long as you keep the original itinerary, or if you have flown at least a segment, you will not be charged a fare difference. Bear in mind that the eCredit may only be refundable if your original flight was cancelled (which is very likely in those day and times). Note that only Delta in the US are able to do this so do not call the EU numbers (use Skype to save money on international calls). According to user feedback: iMessage agents seem to also be able to do this, but twitter agents not.
I pulled down the DL fare rules (these are BUD-SEA but they all appeared nearly identical). I posted them on a share. We can easily grab the AF and KL variants if others need those.
Q: This is a fully flexible fare with free changes. Does that mean I can change the flight dates as I want without paying anything extra?
A: No. The airline simply doesn't charge a change fee. But depending on the fare rules, you will still need to pay the difference to the new price.
Q: But I read that some people could change their flights for free...?
A: The rules for this fare (linked to above) specify that historical pricing shall be used if either at least one flight from the ticket has been taken or the outbound remains the same. In other words, in order to be able to change your flights for free, you must have flown at least one flight from your booking. Otherwise, you can only change the inbound. The outbound has to remain the same or you will be charged the fare difference.
Q: Can I change the rest of the itinerary after flying the first segment without any other charges or additional fare differences?
A: Yes this is possible according to the fare rules where after completing the first segment, you can change the rest of the flights for free (with the condition that the same fare class is available- I-class - in this case. According to the fare rules, after flying the FIRST segment (in the case here BUD-XXX) the historical fare is used. Possible to use the first stopover at AMS or CDG (see post #830).
Q: But some people could change their outbound flights for free!
A: They got lucky. It was probably a bug on the website/in the app. When no flight from the ticket has been flown, the fare rules do not allow changing the outbound without repricing.
Q: Ok, ok, so I can only change the inbound for free. How do I do that?
A: You search for availability for alternative flights on ITA Matrix using "F ..I2FFHU" in the extension codes. You must search for round trip flights as this is a round trip fare. Then you ignore the outbound result (as long as you haven't flown at least one flight from your ticket) and just try to rebook your inbound on the website/app.
Q: I have found availability on ITA Matrix, but the app/website doesn't show me those flights!
A: Keep trying. Sometimes you may have to serach in a different way (split up the searches, e.g. HNL-LAX and LAX-BUD), sometimes you just have to repeat the search several times. But that's no guarantee the desired results will turn up (and without repricing).
Q: It doesn't work. Can I just call the airline to make the changes?
A: Please don't unless you need to. Calling can increase the risk for all of us that they'll change their mind and disallow all further changes, or simply cancel everyone's tickets. However, as this fare has now been running for months and has seen many calls made about it, it is reasonable to expect that calling will not cause issues at this stage. As best practice, avoid attracting attention on the low price paid, and avoid making additional demands or tempting your luck. Remember you get to fly a J ticket for the cost of a Y fare.
Q: How many times can I make changes?
A: In theory, as often as you like, but you can't make more than two changes online/in the app. After that, you'd have to call, which we are trying to avoid.
Q: I've changed my mind. Can I get a refund?
A: Yes, the fare was fully refundable. Just contact the airline or fill out a refund form online.
Q: Due to Coronavirus, I need to extend my travel plan beyond the original expiry date. What can I do?
A: For Delta tickets (starting with 006) you can travel at any point until December 2022. Changes to flights within a 10 month window can be done at any point on the app, following the rules above. If you want to fly later than 10 months from now, you can call Delta and ask them to "park" your ticket. You will receive a ticket number that ties to an eCredit which can be used later to buy tickets. As long as you keep the original itinerary, or if you have flown at least a segment, you will not be charged a fare difference. Bear in mind that the eCredit may only be refundable if your original flight was cancelled (which is very likely in those day and times). Note that only Delta in the US are able to do this so do not call the EU numbers (use Skype to save money on international calls). According to user feedback: iMessage agents seem to also be able to do this, but twitter agents not.
{prem fare gone}: AF/KL/DL/VS: BUD-US from $750 R/T
Mar 15, 2020, 6:49 am
#301
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: DXB
Programs: Marriott Titanium Elite, Hyatt Globalist, Hilton Diamond, BA Silver, A3 Gold, Sixt Diamond
Posts: 2,811
I think you can forget about La Première anyway. I played around with it a lot - the closest I got was while making a new booking on the DL website, I was offered an upgrade to La Première for 4000$ per person or so.
I never got La Première to show up on the modification screen. Maybe you could get it if you got the last J ticket or something, but I doubt it.
I never got La Première to show up on the modification screen. Maybe you could get it if you got the last J ticket or something, but I doubt it.
Mar 15, 2020, 6:52 am
#303
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 37
Mar 15, 2020, 7:14 am
#304
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: VIE/PRG
Programs: FB Platinum, Marriott Platinum Elite
Posts: 1,592
Yes, US citizens and many other people are excluded from the ban.
I am more interested in what the chances are to get the ticket cancelled at very short notice (i.e. this evening).
What would you guys do if you arrived at the airport and the check in agent/supervisor refuse to check you in?
I am more interested in what the chances are to get the ticket cancelled at very short notice (i.e. this evening).
What would you guys do if you arrived at the airport and the check in agent/supervisor refuse to check you in?
Nobody can tell you if reservations are going to be canceled.
Mar 15, 2020, 7:16 am
#305
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: DRS
Posts: 12
I am pretty sure that there is a whole list of exempt people (e.g. permanent residents, parents and spouses of citizens and more).
Mar 15, 2020, 7:44 am
#308
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: TXL
Programs: A3 Silver
Posts: 1,116
https://www.ottawapublichealth.ca/en...-covid-19.aspx
Mar 15, 2020, 8:06 am
#309
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: MSP
Programs: DL PlatMM, BA and Alaska Emerald, HHonors DIA, Accor, Marriott Titanium, IHG Plat Amb, UA Silver, AA
Posts: 4,515
Hi Stephem, do you happen to have copied the full fare rules? I got a DL 006 ticket BUD-STT-MSP and back, but I assume the underlying fare rules are the same(?) for most of the destinations (I missed the Hawaii part, dang!).
Also-- maybe moderators can try to separate this thread between A) BUD-USA fare and B) Coronavirus predictions/daily changes in immigration rules? Both are important but it's become mostly a coronavirus thread.
Thanks!
Also-- maybe moderators can try to separate this thread between A) BUD-USA fare and B) Coronavirus predictions/daily changes in immigration rules? Both are important but it's become mostly a coronavirus thread.
Thanks!
Last edited by kyushuman; Mar 15, 2020 at 8:14 am
Mar 15, 2020, 8:08 am
#310
Join Date: Mar 2018
Programs: DL DM, FB Gold
Posts: 296
I hope this helps:
Section 1 of this proclamation shall not apply to:
Last edited by David7; Mar 15, 2020 at 8:14 am
Mar 15, 2020, 8:24 am
#311
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Western Europe
Posts: 205
Does anyone know whether I as someone without Skyteam status can enter a lounge in YVR? I'm booked on BUD-HNL (via AMS and YVR), booked via KLM.com. KLM only lists Lounge 52 in AMS on their MyTrip website. It's a 737-800, so apparently the Premium Economy is its highest class.
Last edited by altalk08; Mar 15, 2020 at 8:36 am
Mar 15, 2020, 8:35 am
#312
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: LAS, ZQN
Programs: UA PP (2MM), BA gold
Posts: 2,199
Bought 2 tickets (AF) for this promotional fare. One to HNL with stop n LAX and other (more expensive) just to LAX.
Since I am not a FB fan nor Sky Peso think best to credit to Virgin (which I recently joined).
Will work out well with visit to Europe prior and after. Hope (expect) it to stick.
Since I am not a FB fan nor Sky Peso think best to credit to Virgin (which I recently joined).
Will work out well with visit to Europe prior and after. Hope (expect) it to stick.
Mar 15, 2020, 8:38 am
#313
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Phx, AZ
Programs: BA Gold, AS MVPG
Posts: 664
Does anyone know whether I as someone without Skyteam status can enter a lounge in YVR? I'm booked on BUD-HNL (via AMS and YVR), booked via KLM.com. KLM only lists Lounge 52 in AMS on their MyTrip website. It's a 737-800, so apparently the Premium Economy is its highest class.
Mar 15, 2020, 8:46 am
#314
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,345
Booked my outbound on KLM and return on AF on KLM stock (074). Tried to to see if I could change my outbound flight and it is repricing. Thought that there would be no reprice for changes. Any tips or suggestions? Otherwise, may cancel.
Mar 15, 2020, 9:05 am
#315
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: TLV
Posts: 522
Are you sure its accessible to USA-bound pax? Unless there is more than one SkyTeam lounge there, this is what PriorityPass has to say about it:
https://www.prioritypass.com/en/loun...skyteam-lounge
Airside - International Departures. After Security Checks, the lounge is located on the left, near Gate 53. The lounge is not accessible to passengers departing on Canadian domestic or US Transborder flights.
Airside - International Departures. After Security Checks, the lounge is located on the left, near Gate 53. The lounge is not accessible to passengers departing on Canadian domestic or US Transborder flights.