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{prem fare gone}: AF/KL/DL/VS: BUD-US from $750 R/T

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FARE RULES:
I pulled down the DL fare rules (these are BUD-SEA but they all appeared nearly identical). I posted them on a share. We can easily grab the AF and KL variants if others need those.

Q: This is a fully flexible fare with free changes. Does that mean I can change the flight dates as I want without paying anything extra?
A: No. The airline simply doesn't charge a change fee. But depending on the fare rules, you will still need to pay the difference to the new price.

Q: But I read that some people could change their flights for free...?
A: The rules for this fare (linked to above) specify that historical pricing shall be used if either at least one flight from the ticket has been taken or the outbound remains the same. In other words, in order to be able to change your flights for free, you must have flown at least one flight from your booking. Otherwise, you can only change the inbound. The outbound has to remain the same or you will be charged the fare difference.

Q: Can I change the rest of the itinerary after flying the first segment without any other charges or additional fare differences?
A: Yes this is possible according to the fare rules where after completing the first segment, you can change the rest of the flights for free (with the condition that the same fare class is available- I-class - in this case. According to the fare rules, after flying the FIRST segment (in the case here BUD-XXX) the historical fare is used. Possible to use the first stopover at AMS or CDG (see post #830).

Q: But some people could change their outbound flights for free!
A: They got lucky. It was probably a bug on the website/in the app. When no flight from the ticket has been flown, the fare rules do not allow changing the outbound without repricing.

Q: Ok, ok, so I can only change the inbound for free. How do I do that?
A: You search for availability for alternative flights on ITA Matrix using "F ..I2FFHU" in the extension codes. You must search for round trip flights as this is a round trip fare. Then you ignore the outbound result (as long as you haven't flown at least one flight from your ticket) and just try to rebook your inbound on the website/app.

Q: I have found availability on ITA Matrix, but the app/website doesn't show me those flights!
A: Keep trying. Sometimes you may have to serach in a different way (split up the searches, e.g. HNL-LAX and LAX-BUD), sometimes you just have to repeat the search several times. But that's no guarantee the desired results will turn up (and without repricing).

Q: It doesn't work. Can I just call the airline to make the changes?
A: Please don't unless you need to. Calling can increase the risk for all of us that they'll change their mind and disallow all further changes, or simply cancel everyone's tickets. However, as this fare has now been running for months and has seen many calls made about it, it is reasonable to expect that calling will not cause issues at this stage. As best practice, avoid attracting attention on the low price paid, and avoid making additional demands or tempting your luck. Remember you get to fly a J ticket for the cost of a Y fare.

Q: How many times can I make changes?
A: In theory, as often as you like, but you can't make more than two changes online/in the app. After that, you'd have to call, which we are trying to avoid.

Q: I've changed my mind. Can I get a refund?
A: Yes, the fare was fully refundable. Just contact the airline or fill out a refund form online.

Q: Due to Coronavirus, I need to extend my travel plan beyond the original expiry date. What can I do?
A: For Delta tickets (starting with 006) you can travel at any point until December 2022. Changes to flights within a 10 month window can be done at any point on the app, following the rules above. If you want to fly later than 10 months from now, you can call Delta and ask them to "park" your ticket. You will receive a ticket number that ties to an eCredit which can be used later to buy tickets. As long as you keep the original itinerary, or if you have flown at least a segment, you will not be charged a fare difference. Bear in mind that the eCredit may only be refundable if your original flight was cancelled (which is very likely in those day and times). Note that only Delta in the US are able to do this so do not call the EU numbers (use Skype to save money on international calls). According to user feedback: iMessage agents seem to also be able to do this, but twitter agents not.
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Old Jun 17, 21, 2:00 am
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Originally Posted by Quinlanty View Post
This is exactly what I did. No problems what so ever. Landed from Milan at 10 PM and got on 6 AM flight to AMS. Everything closed except one food place (candy, bottled drinks, sandwiches) Showed by onward ticket to AMS to the police, had to fill out a 1 page form. You are allowed to even leave the airport, you have to give paper to your taxi driver who takes you straight to your hotel and back! I didn't get a hotel because of the short layover. Let me know If you have any other questions. (American Passport)

Some other questions that maybe some of you can answer:
  • Is COVID testing available airside (rather than pre-security/landside) at BUD? Only available landside
Thank you for the data point. Now we just need the US to open to Schengen.
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Old Jun 17, 21, 7:40 am
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[QUOTE=Quinlanty;33334451]
Originally Posted by UVAhoo06 View Post
I hold a US passport, and I'm getting nervous about if I'll even be able to enter Hungary in order to fly this trip. I was thinking about flying into BUD (from CDG) on the last flight of the night and sleeping airside until the next morning. Is this permitted? (Transit time would be less than 24 hours and I wouldn't technically enter HU.)

This is exactly what I did. No problems what so ever. Landed from Milan at 10 PM and got on 6 AM flight to AMS. Everything closed except one food place (candy, bottled drinks, sandwiches) Showed by onward ticket to AMS to the police, had to fill out a 1 page form. You are allowed to even leave the airport, you have to give paper to your taxi driver who takes you straight to your hotel and back! I didn't get a hotel because of the short layover. Let me know If you have any other questions. (American Passport)

Some other questions that maybe some of you can answer:
  • Is COVID testing available airside (rather than pre-security/landside) at BUD? Only available landside
Thanks, Quinlanty! This is great news and a helpful data point!

When you boarded in Milan, what was the procedure like? I'm on the last flight from CDG to BUD and then hopping back on the same aircraft from BUD to CDG the next morning (it's the first flight of the day). On arrival, did the police at BUD ask any specific questions or hassle you? I'm a tad nervous that they're going to ask me why I left Paris only to return to Paris right away.

Also, with the possibility of the EU adding the US to the white-list of countries as early as this week, what might this mean for entry into BUD? (I love the city and want to re-visit!)
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Old Jun 17, 21, 7:48 am
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An additional question to whomever knows how fare rules work: Due to entry restrictions to BUD, on my return, if I wanted to drop my final segment to BUD, is it possible for me to not take that flight? If so, what's the protocol for notifying AF/KL/DL/VS? Or, should I just be a no-show and happily forfeit the rest of the ticket? Also, I don't plan on checking bags.

Thanks to everyone who has so graciously helped!
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Old Jun 17, 21, 7:58 am
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[QUOTE=UVAhoo06;33335577]
Originally Posted by Quinlanty View Post

Thanks, Quinlanty! This is great news and a helpful data point!

When you boarded in Milan, what was the procedure like? I'm on the last flight from CDG to BUD and then hopping back on the same aircraft from BUD to CDG the next morning (it's the first flight of the day). On arrival, did the police at BUD ask any specific questions or hassle you? I'm a tad nervous that they're going to ask me why I left Paris only to return to Paris right away.

Also, with the possibility of the EU adding the US to the white-list of countries as early as this week, what might this mean for entry into BUD? (I love the city and want to re-visit!)
I'd suggest checking TIMATIC on this. You're not doing the same thing as Quinlanty - transit is travelling from a first country to a third country through a second, not returning to the first. AF may well insist that if you cannot enter Hungary you will not be allowed to fly.

As to the last leg, I wouldn't do anything more complicated than ditching it. But again be aware that you wouldn't be allowed to board in the US if you weren't admissible to your final ticketed destination [though we're obviously all hoping Hungary will open soon].
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Old Jun 17, 21, 8:05 am
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Originally Posted by UVAhoo06 View Post

I'd suggest checking TIMATIC on this. You're not doing the same thing as Quinlanty - transit is travelling from a first country to a third country through a second, not returning to the first. AF may well insist that if you cannot enter Hungary you will not be allowed to fly.

As to the last leg, I wouldn't do anything more complicated than ditching it. But again be aware that you wouldn't be allowed to board in the US if you weren't admissible to your final ticketed destination [though we're obviously all hoping Hungary will open soon].
I used the TravelDoc link on the AF/KL page -- is that the same as TIMATIC? My positioning flight is to/from CDG, so one issue now is whether I'm permitted to enter Hungary from France.
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Old Jun 17, 21, 8:08 am
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[QUOTE=UVAhoo06;33335651]
Originally Posted by etiene View Post

I used the TravelDoc link on the AF/KL page -- is that the same as TIMATIC? My positioning flight is to/from CDG, so one issue now is whether I'm permitted to enter Hungary from France.
I suspect that's built on top of TIMATIC - but the point is you need to select "One Way" rather than "Transit" as you are not transiting [unlike Quinlanty].
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Old Jun 17, 21, 8:14 am
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Originally Posted by UVAhoo06 View Post

I suspect that's built on top of TIMATIC - but the point is you need to select "One Way" rather than "Transit" as you are not transiting [unlike [b]Quinlanty].
Got it! I'll just buy a ticket from CDG via AMS and arrive from AMS. That should solve the issue, no?
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Old Jun 17, 21, 8:17 am
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Originally Posted by etiene View Post

Got it! I'll just buy a ticket from CDG via AMS and arrive from AMS. That should solve the issue, no?
To my understanding: yes, that would be a transit at BUD.

Same issue occurs if you wish to take advantage of the Transit Without Visa [TWOV] scheme at various Chinese points of entry - you can't go back to the same country you entered from.
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Old Jun 17, 21, 8:31 am
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This may not be useful for our American friends, but if I understand correctly EU-nationals are permitted to enter Hungary again on June 24 (not sure if a Covid-test is required)
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Old Jun 17, 21, 2:52 pm
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BUD-AMS-SEA flight is supposed to be this Sunday but still sitting in the US now so obviously cant make this flight. Ill be in Kyiv though around July 8-12 on a one way ticket from the US so hoping to use this KLM BUD ticket home. No flight cancellations on this itinerary so I dont believe I fall within any of the rules. Anyone have recent experiences changing dates with KLM? Seems like every time I call, they have to go to the back office where I wait for 24-72 hours with ticket repricing.

Hopefully this new EU proclamation to let Americans in means that Hungary will be open by that early/mid July date where its easy to get in from Kyiv.
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Old Jun 17, 21, 2:57 pm
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[QUOTE=etiene;33335661]
Originally Posted by UVAhoo06 View Post

I suspect that's built on top of TIMATIC - but the point is you need to select "One Way" rather than "Transit" as you are not transiting [unlike [b]Quinlanty].
I bought a separate ticket to MAD and will spend the night there before backtracking and flying to BUD via AMS the next day. Hopefully this will address the transit issue of traveling from and to two different countries.

Im also curious what this EU proclamation will mean for US citizens entering Hungary.
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Old Jun 17, 21, 4:14 pm
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I have a DL plated ticket, already made 2 changes when there were totally cancelled legs. Now my outbound has been changed about 6 hours and my return has a misconnect in it. Those seem like things I could easily use to get a better routing on the existing dates of travel, but what I really want is to move this to Dec 2021/April 2022.
If anyone else successfully moves yet again like this with Delta, can you please post? Last time I seemed to have luck being armed with an experience here. But I dont want to wait as I found a $1500 oneworld fare I can simply use for Dec/Apr (there 5 of us though so that will add $4k of total costs).
Any insights on trying this yet again with DL plated tickets?
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Old Jun 17, 21, 11:45 pm
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Originally Posted by stephem View Post
I have a DL plated ticket, already made 2 changes when there were totally cancelled legs. Now my outbound has been changed about 6 hours and my return has a misconnect in it. Those seem like things I could easily use to get a better routing on the existing dates of travel, but what I really want is to move this to Dec 2021/April 2022.
If anyone else successfully moves yet again like this with Delta, can you please post? Last time I seemed to have luck being armed with an experience here. But I dont want to wait as I found a $1500 oneworld fare I can simply use for Dec/Apr (there 5 of us though so that will add $4k of total costs).
Any insights on trying this yet again with DL plated tickets?
Pretty sure on DL only those with parked tickets can rely on policy at this stage, everyone else is looking to agent goodwill and the inevitable YMMV.
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Old Jun 19, 21, 11:56 am
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I've flown the outbound and now trying to change the return. I understand that the change should be based on historical fares, and so in theory there shouldn't be a fare difference. However, is this the case even if I were to push the date out to say November 2021 (a date that wouldn't have been bookable under the historical fares when this fare was available)?
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Old Jun 19, 21, 1:53 pm
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Originally Posted by flyer05 View Post
I've flown the outbound and now trying to change the return. I understand that the change should be based on historical fares, and so in theory there shouldn't be a fare difference. However, is this the case even if I were to push the date out to say November 2021 (a date that wouldn't have been bookable under the historical fares when this fare was available)?
Not sure anyone can tell you definitively, but I think technically you should be alright as long as youre not trying to push it past a year from the first flight. You also have to convince them to use historical fares - the rules are on your side, but might still be a bit of resistance.
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