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{prem fare gone}: AF/KL/DL/VS: BUD-US from $750 R/T

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FARE RULES:
I pulled down the DL fare rules (these are BUD-SEA but they all appeared nearly identical). I posted them on a share. We can easily grab the AF and KL variants if others need those.

Q: This is a fully flexible fare with free changes. Does that mean I can change the flight dates as I want without paying anything extra?
A: No. The airline simply doesn't charge a change fee. But depending on the fare rules, you will still need to pay the difference to the new price.

Q: But I read that some people could change their flights for free...?
A: The rules for this fare (linked to above) specify that historical pricing shall be used if either at least one flight from the ticket has been taken or the outbound remains the same. In other words, in order to be able to change your flights for free, you must have flown at least one flight from your booking. Otherwise, you can only change the inbound. The outbound has to remain the same or you will be charged the fare difference.

Q: Can I change the rest of the itinerary after flying the first segment without any other charges or additional fare differences?
A: Yes this is possible according to the fare rules where after completing the first segment, you can change the rest of the flights for free (with the condition that the same fare class is available- I-class - in this case. According to the fare rules, after flying the FIRST segment (in the case here BUD-XXX) the historical fare is used. Possible to use the first stopover at AMS or CDG (see post #830).

Q: But some people could change their outbound flights for free!
A: They got lucky. It was probably a bug on the website/in the app. When no flight from the ticket has been flown, the fare rules do not allow changing the outbound without repricing.

Q: Ok, ok, so I can only change the inbound for free. How do I do that?
A: You search for availability for alternative flights on ITA Matrix using "F ..I2FFHU" in the extension codes. You must search for round trip flights as this is a round trip fare. Then you ignore the outbound result (as long as you haven't flown at least one flight from your ticket) and just try to rebook your inbound on the website/app.

Q: I have found availability on ITA Matrix, but the app/website doesn't show me those flights!
A: Keep trying. Sometimes you may have to serach in a different way (split up the searches, e.g. HNL-LAX and LAX-BUD), sometimes you just have to repeat the search several times. But that's no guarantee the desired results will turn up (and without repricing).

Q: It doesn't work. Can I just call the airline to make the changes?
A: Please don't unless you need to. Calling can increase the risk for all of us that they'll change their mind and disallow all further changes, or simply cancel everyone's tickets. However, as this fare has now been running for months and has seen many calls made about it, it is reasonable to expect that calling will not cause issues at this stage. As best practice, avoid attracting attention on the low price paid, and avoid making additional demands or tempting your luck. Remember you get to fly a J ticket for the cost of a Y fare.

Q: How many times can I make changes?
A: In theory, as often as you like, but you can't make more than two changes online/in the app. After that, you'd have to call, which we are trying to avoid.

Q: I've changed my mind. Can I get a refund?
A: Yes, the fare was fully refundable. Just contact the airline or fill out a refund form online.

Q: Due to Coronavirus, I need to extend my travel plan beyond the original expiry date. What can I do?
A: For Delta tickets (starting with 006) you can travel at any point until December 2022. Changes to flights within a 10 month window can be done at any point on the app, following the rules above. If you want to fly later than 10 months from now, you can call Delta and ask them to "park" your ticket. You will receive a ticket number that ties to an eCredit which can be used later to buy tickets. As long as you keep the original itinerary, or if you have flown at least a segment, you will not be charged a fare difference. Bear in mind that the eCredit may only be refundable if your original flight was cancelled (which is very likely in those day and times). Note that only Delta in the US are able to do this so do not call the EU numbers (use Skype to save money on international calls). According to user feedback: iMessage agents seem to also be able to do this, but twitter agents not.
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Old Nov 26, 20, 3:36 pm
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Originally Posted by newflyer530 View Post
Another data point here: I have a Nov 29 departure from BUD to AMS, and AMS-stateside in Dec. iMessage'd Delta and mentioned both "park it" and Bulletin 5, got a very competent agent who confirmed that she will park this, issue my eCredit information and keep a note in my ticket that I intend to make use of Bulletin 5 in the future for a class to class travel rebooking/even change when booking window for 2022 opens up.

Very pleased. All in all good job, kudos to Delta on both the generous waiver policy and the efficient iMessage service.
Kudos to all. So should we agree in future communication with Delat we push B5?
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Old Nov 26, 20, 4:08 pm
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Some of my January flights have been cancelled. My preference would be to rebook to the new (hopefully final) dates, instead of parking the ticket, however I would like to travel in JAN 2022. Do you know when Delta may publish winter schedule 2021/2022?
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Old Nov 27, 20, 2:10 am
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Originally Posted by honzeek_cz View Post
Kudos to all. So should we agree in future communication with Delat we push B5?
There's a Bulletin 9 by now, which allows to push out travel until November 27, 2021.

https://pro.delta.com/content/agency...ulletin-9.html
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Old Nov 27, 20, 2:31 am
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Originally Posted by svellmann View Post
There's a Bulletin 9 by now, which allows to push out travel until November 27, 2021.

https://pro.delta.com/content/agency...ulletin-9.html
Is there any of such bulletin for AFKL? I know that one of the poster has shared a PDF version of the rules set by AFKL (which seems alien to their agents), so I was wondering if there are such AFKL Professional site available?

BTW: Did anyone holding a 074 ticket call AF to make the changes? Trying my luck to see if AF agents are better compared to KL agents...

Cheers!

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Old Nov 27, 20, 3:25 am
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Originally Posted by svellmann View Post
There's a Bulletin 9 by now, which allows to push out travel until November 27, 2021.

https://pro.delta.com/content/agency...ulletin-9.html
You don't want to use that. I'm not sure if Bulletin 9 is a China only policy, but if you go to the US site and use the policy finder thing then Bulletin 6 is still current - importantly so as 6 allows travel to booked any time out to 2022 whereas 9 there is severely limited given likely vaccine rollout timelines.

EDIT: 6 is dated a month after 9 anyway.
EDIT 2: 9 is merely the formalisation of zero change fees - it has nothing about fare difference waivers. You absolutely do not want to be referencing 9.

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Old Nov 27, 20, 12:12 pm
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Hey there thanks for the link to Bulletin 6!
I have a question: In Bulletin 6, does the US Virgin Islands/Puerto Rico exception only apply for tickets that are domestic US?
Because my ticket is BUD-STT, I know a lot of you have Hawaii destinations.
Thanks!
Here is the small print:Please note:

For all travel on/after October 1, 2020, to/from the U.S. Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico, please use the terms and conditions of the Coronavirus Situation - All U.S. Domestic Travel – Bulletin 6. The Coronavirus Situation - All International Travel - Bulletin 6 will no longer include travel to/from the U.S. Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico, effective for travel on/after October 1, 2020.
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Old Nov 27, 20, 12:44 pm
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Originally Posted by kyushuman View Post
Hey there thanks for the link to Bulletin 6!
I have a question: In Bulletin 6, does the US Virgin Islands/Puerto Rico exception only apply for tickets that are domestic US?
Because my ticket is BUD-STT, I know a lot of you have Hawaii destinations.
Thanks!
Here is the small print:Please note:

For all travel on/after October 1, 2020, to/from the U.S. Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico, please use the terms and conditions of the Coronavirus Situation - All U.S. Domestic Travel Bulletin 6. The Coronavirus Situation - All International Travel - Bulletin 6 will no longer include travel to/from the U.S. Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico, effective for travel on/after October 1, 2020.
Thats for tickets from the US 50 to the territories etc - a lot of the time they treat that as international so theyre being explicit that theyre not here. Youre starting in Budapest, which is definitely international.
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Old Nov 28, 20, 3:29 am
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Originally Posted by etiene View Post
You don't want to use that. I'm not sure if Bulletin 9 is a China only policy, but if you go to the US site and use the policy finder thing then Bulletin 6 is still current - importantly so as 6 allows travel to booked any time out to 2022 whereas 9 there is severely limited given likely vaccine rollout timelines.

EDIT: 6 is dated a month after 9 anyway.
EDIT 2: 9 is merely the formalisation of zero change fees - it has nothing about fare difference waivers. You absolutely do not want to be referencing 9.
My bad then, never mind. Must admit I hadn't read all the bulletins in their entirety but assumed they were global rules that supersede each other with later and later booking windows you are allowed to change to. Guess I was wrong.
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Old Nov 29, 20, 11:44 am
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I've just found this thread and haven't had a chance to go read through all of the past posts so apologies if this has been covered.
I bought these tickets for BUD-LAX on Air France (with the 057..... tickets). My first flight was scheduled for mid-Dec and it has now been cancelled. When I called to rebook this week, the agent said I could only move it 30 days either way without incurring fare difference. Is this correct? Given that they cancelled the flights, surely I should be able to rebook to any time I want? As I would ideally like to move the trip to the 2nd half of 2021, does anyone know if it's possible to keep it moving back by 30 days every month?
Thanks in advance for the assistance!
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Old Nov 30, 20, 12:54 pm
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Originally Posted by Traveller91 View Post
I've just found this thread and haven't had a chance to go read through all of the past posts so apologies if this has been covered.
I bought these tickets for BUD-LAX on Air France (with the 057..... tickets). My first flight was scheduled for mid-Dec and it has now been cancelled. When I called to rebook this week, the agent said I could only move it 30 days either way without incurring fare difference. Is this correct? Given that they cancelled the flights, surely I should be able to rebook to any time I want? As I would ideally like to move the trip to the 2nd half of 2021, does anyone know if it's possible to keep it moving back by 30 days every month?
Thanks in advance for the assistance!
You should be able to change it to any date as long as the fare class stays the same. HUCA.

See my post above.
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Old Nov 30, 20, 1:08 pm
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Originally Posted by xslash10x View Post
You should be able to change it to any date as long as the fare class stays the same. HUCA.

See my post above.
Im guessing you wont know what HUKA means. Hang Up (and) Kall Again, hoping you get a different agent who is familiar with the rules of rebooking. Clearly the one you spoke to doesnt
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Old Dec 2, 20, 5:28 am
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I seem to get no movement on the 30 day rule, so have asked to refund this. What a shame.. will have some lessons learned
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Old Dec 2, 20, 9:44 am
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Originally Posted by r0gerthat View Post
I seem to get no movement on the 30 day rule, so have asked to refund this. What a shame.. will have some lessons learned
im sorry for your loss of such ticket.. but guys, isnt this like the most flexible ticket you could get? everyone is changing them easily with the same booking class rule.
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Old Dec 2, 20, 9:54 am
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Originally Posted by fridgy View Post
im sorry for your loss of such ticket.. but guys, isnt this like the most flexible ticket you could get? everyone is changing them easily with the same booking class rule.
There are three different ticketing airlines involved, and they're aren't all singing from the same sheet for everybody. The flexibility of the original ticket would only come into play after flying one leg - and even there people have had problems.
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Old Dec 2, 20, 10:18 am
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Looking at changing my (DL ticketed and changed twice already) that has luckily had a new cancellation.
Looking at Delta.com and trying to reconstruct the same itinerary, I'm only seeing D, C, and J classes. No "I" class in August at least for the several dates I've checked. Also open to July.
Do I need to find I class by searching for the entire itinerary, or can I look segment by segment? (for example, can I look at BUD-JFK separately from JFK-STT)?
I do currently have a stopover in JFK for a few days, but such a complicated itinerary seems hard for DL.com to figure out. And Google Flights is useless (it shows "no flights available" for BUD-STT using SkyTeam for most dates in Biz in August)
Is there a website you guys use for finding fare buckets availability (that isn't an expensive paid site)?
Thanks for any troubleshooting advice!
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