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Please post you departure dates and routes below: March MARCH 07 BCN - FCO - LAX Madeiraportugal MARCH 11 PacificTwo MARCH 11 BCN-FCO-JFK UAPremierGuy MARCH 14 LAX - CDG - FCO - BCN Madeiraportugal MARCH 19 BCN-FCO-CDG GlennHaak MARCH 19 MAD-FCO-JFK beyounged MARCH 20 CDG-LAX GlennHaak MARCH 25 BCN-FCO-JFK JonEJacobs MARCH 25 JFK-FCO-MAD beyounged MARCH 28 LAX-FCO-BCN GlennHaak April APRIL 01 BCN-FCO-LAX - idiosyncrasy APRIL 04 BCN - FCO - CDG (+1) - LAX Mister Miles APRIL 05 JFK-FCO-BCN JonEJacobs APRIL 08 BCN - FCO - LAX - honzeek_cz APRIL 08 FCO-CDG JNLentertainment APRIL 09 CDG-LAX - JNLentertainment APRIL 09 LAX - JFK - FCO - BCN Mister Miles APRIL 23 LAX-CDG honzeek_cz APRIL 24 CDG-FCO-BCN honzeek_cz APRIL 25 MAD-LIN honzeek_cz APRIL 25 LAX-CDG-FCO-BCN idiosyncrasy APRIL 26 LIN-CDG-LAX honzeek_cz APRIL 29 LAX-FCO honzeek_cz APRIL 30 FCO-MAD honzeek_cz APRIL 30 MAD-FCO Maayan May MAY 01 FCO-LAX Maayan MAY 01 BCN-FCO-JFK ramalair MAY 02 BCN-FCO-JFK e30st MAY 02 BCN-FCO / MAY 03 FCO-LAX Travel-Quinten MAY 02 BCN-FCO-LAX Wildwater MAY 02 BCN-FCO / MAY 03 FCO-LAX bmibaby737 MAY 06 JFK-FCO-BCN (+1) e30st MAY 06 LAX-FCO-BCN (+1) Travel-Quinten MAY 06 LAX-FCO-BCN Wildwater MAY 06 LAX-JFK-FCO / MAY 07 FCO-BCN bmibaby737 MAY 08 LAX-FCO-MAD Maayan MAY 09 JFK-FCO-BCN ramalair MAY 09 LAX- FCO JNLentertainment MAY 09 FCO-BCN JNLentertainment September October November Nov 7 BCN - FCO - JFK ExpatSomchai Nov 11 JFK - FCO - BCN (+1) ExpatSomchai
[PREM FARE GONE] AZ: BCN - LAX £456 in J....
#181
Join Date: Aug 2013
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#182
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 698
Thank you I guess it's all part and parcel of the learning curve. To be honest this has been a fantastic learning opportunity for me as first time I've done it. I didn't even have a skypartner to put the points to so will get on that for next time
Fingers crossed for everyone!!!
Fingers crossed for everyone!!!
There's never any hard and fast rules with these 'flash sales'. I've been lucky with two recent-ish ones - the Philippine Airlines LHR-HKG-LHR J £500 one that stuck (and was booked via Lastminute.com so I really wasn't expecting it to) and the Aeroflot WAW-ICN one way for £280 in J.
In my heart of hearts i'm not hopeful for this AZ fare to stick. If it does, great. If it doesn't, another one will come along soon enough :-)
#183
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Great analysis. ^ I agree that AZ will likely honor this fare. My concern is that since it is an X fare, with mapping error, AZ may honor it as X fare and reseat all in coach. Hope AZ will announce a decision by Monday.
Last edited by TerryK; Jan 5, 2019 at 7:05 am
#184
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Programs: BA, JAL
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May I say one thing?
A lot of people here keeps to quote the FLR-DUS (i was involved as well) and the subsequent drama. I think history and airlines proved out of discussion that every "special" fare has its own destiny. Moreover there are three points:
1) FLR-DUS was a total different scenario: full seasonality, the whole world as destination, incredible routings, a number or airlines involved (particularly EY) and so on. In this case seasonality is limited, routings are limited and basically we have two destinations served via JV services... if I can go deeper, i'd say that except some FTer wanting to maximize miles and flying with 2 stops via CDG on AF, the others will take the more reasonable one-connection via FCO on AZ, meaning that the fare involves only AZ and marginally AF. Furthermore, the booking class was the lowest one, inventory has not been hit so heavily and for low-season.
2) 480 eur (or a few more) is not so low. It's basically an economy price, meaning that- in the worst case - for AZ this does not represent a real loss, rather a loss of earnings. In the best case, it means selling a seat at a very low price that differently would be empty.
3) I'm a Frequent flyer since 2001, and sorry for the newbies but I'd like to point out that AZ incurred in "special" fares a lot of times in the last 20 years.... and it's not fair to talk only about the FLR-DUS which is probably the only case where they cancel the tickets... just to name some: in the mid-2000, there was a very famous fare YYZ-LCA which was honoured..... then they had a great fare from LAX to almost every where in Europe (it was 2007 iirc) which was not a destination served by AZ directly: 200 eur to fly biz class in AF codeshare and the ticket was honoured. Then there was the case of the "discount promo" from Japanese version of AZ website, which basically discounted heavily tickets from all over the world: in this case AZ honoured all the tickets if there was at least a 0.01$ of credit card charging after the discount.
I'm not defending Alitalia (I quite hate them) and I don't know what AZ will do this time but I'm just saying that history has examples regarding different behaviours and approaches to the matter on a case-by-case basis.
About Alitalia, while I'm italian and I really do hope to see it failed (sorry but I pay it since when I was born through tax paying), I think the business class product is totally in line with major european carriers (in some area is even over the par!) and it totally worths the price. For those worried about the airline going out of market, I won't think this will ever happen but in the case it will be not so soon.
Having said so, I'm not on this fare (my credit cards are still in intensive care unit after CX F deal) but i think all of you have good chances to fly it.
Hope really you can indeed use your ticket.
cheers.
A lot of people here keeps to quote the FLR-DUS (i was involved as well) and the subsequent drama. I think history and airlines proved out of discussion that every "special" fare has its own destiny. Moreover there are three points:
1) FLR-DUS was a total different scenario: full seasonality, the whole world as destination, incredible routings, a number or airlines involved (particularly EY) and so on. In this case seasonality is limited, routings are limited and basically we have two destinations served via JV services... if I can go deeper, i'd say that except some FTer wanting to maximize miles and flying with 2 stops via CDG on AF, the others will take the more reasonable one-connection via FCO on AZ, meaning that the fare involves only AZ and marginally AF. Furthermore, the booking class was the lowest one, inventory has not been hit so heavily and for low-season.
2) 480 eur (or a few more) is not so low. It's basically an economy price, meaning that- in the worst case - for AZ this does not represent a real loss, rather a loss of earnings. In the best case, it means selling a seat at a very low price that differently would be empty.
3) I'm a Frequent flyer since 2001, and sorry for the newbies but I'd like to point out that AZ incurred in "special" fares a lot of times in the last 20 years.... and it's not fair to talk only about the FLR-DUS which is probably the only case where they cancel the tickets... just to name some: in the mid-2000, there was a very famous fare YYZ-LCA which was honoured..... then they had a great fare from LAX to almost every where in Europe (it was 2007 iirc) which was not a destination served by AZ directly: 200 eur to fly biz class in AF codeshare and the ticket was honoured. Then there was the case of the "discount promo" from Japanese version of AZ website, which basically discounted heavily tickets from all over the world: in this case AZ honoured all the tickets if there was at least a 0.01$ of credit card charging after the discount.
I'm not defending Alitalia (I quite hate them) and I don't know what AZ will do this time but I'm just saying that history has examples regarding different behaviours and approaches to the matter on a case-by-case basis.
About Alitalia, while I'm italian and I really do hope to see it failed (sorry but I pay it since when I was born through tax paying), I think the business class product is totally in line with major european carriers (in some area is even over the par!) and it totally worths the price. For those worried about the airline going out of market, I won't think this will ever happen but in the case it will be not so soon.
Having said so, I'm not on this fare (my credit cards are still in intensive care unit after CX F deal) but i think all of you have good chances to fly it.
Hope really you can indeed use your ticket.
cheers.
Last edited by RollAnotherFatOne; Jan 5, 2019 at 7:14 am
#185
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: United Kingdom
Programs: BAEC Blue, Flying Blue Silver, Hilton Gold, Marriot Gold
Posts: 817
Thanks for updating us Lizzie.
There's never any hard and fast rules with these 'flash sales'. I've been lucky with two recent-ish ones - the Philippine Airlines LHR-HKG-LHR J £500 one that stuck (and was booked via Lastminute.com so I really wasn't expecting it to) and the Aeroflot WAW-ICN one way for £280 in J.
In my heart of hearts i'm not hopeful for this AZ fare to stick. If it does, great. If it doesn't, another one will come along soon enough :-)
There's never any hard and fast rules with these 'flash sales'. I've been lucky with two recent-ish ones - the Philippine Airlines LHR-HKG-LHR J £500 one that stuck (and was booked via Lastminute.com so I really wasn't expecting it to) and the Aeroflot WAW-ICN one way for £280 in J.
In my heart of hearts i'm not hopeful for this AZ fare to stick. If it does, great. If it doesn't, another one will come along soon enough :-)
#186
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: CX MarcoPolo (SL), BA Executive Club (GO)
Posts: 1,852
If I wanted to go ahead and cancel this (booked one to LAX) ... Is this possible? Not sure I want risk being reseated in coach or waiting for days for confirmation it will be honoured.
I booked thorugh Alitalia using Amex. Should I request refund from Amex on account I am unsure of whether it will be honoured properly ?
Even an if you think it will be honoured, appreciate anyone's advice on how to cancel.
I booked thorugh Alitalia using Amex. Should I request refund from Amex on account I am unsure of whether it will be honoured properly ?
Even an if you think it will be honoured, appreciate anyone's advice on how to cancel.
#187
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: C2c
Programs: GOLD: AZ....maybe :-P
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If I wanted to go ahead and cancel this (booked one to LAX) ... Is this possible? Not sure I want risk being reseated in coach or waiting for days for confirmation it will be honoured.
I booked thorugh Alitalia using Amex. Should I request refund from Amex on account I am unsure of whether it will be honoured properly ?
Even an if you think it will be honoured, appreciate anyone's advice on how to cancel.
I booked thorugh Alitalia using Amex. Should I request refund from Amex on account I am unsure of whether it will be honoured properly ?
Even an if you think it will be honoured, appreciate anyone's advice on how to cancel.
You just need to wait. If AZ reseats everybody in economy than you can ask them for the refund.
And only after that you can ask Amex to help you if AZ is taking too much time.
Unless you still have the 24h window to cancel the ticket directly with AZ
#188
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You need to cancel via your booking agent, AZ in your case. Amex has nothing to do with cancellation.
#189
Join Date: Feb 2015
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I will not accept this. I will request a refund instead and if AZ balks I will simply provide my original e-ticket to AMEX and initiate a charge back
#190
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#191
Join Date: Feb 2015
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If they cancel and i'm refunded in full i'll be disappointed but oh well.
What I will not accept is an attempt from AZ to force the ticket as a non-refundable economy ticket. No sir-eee
#192
Join Date: May 2004
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My suggestion is to log-in on AZ website, just for the purpose of choosing seat or updating details and save the change. If nothing has changes this will involve an automated email included reservation details and ticket receipt. The ticket will report the class of service (a friend of mine did it and it reflects BUSINESS). At least you have something more in your hands documenting AZ was selling it as Biz.
Hope this helps.
Luke
#193
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I repeat, I hate AZ and I don't want to defend them.... but in this case they are not so horrible.
Cheers
#194
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It's all part of the game. I play often and I guess i've won as many as i've lost.
If they cancel and i'm refunded in full i'll be disappointed but oh well.
What I will not accept is an attempt from AZ to force the ticket as a non-refundable economy ticket. No sir-eee
If they cancel and i'm refunded in full i'll be disappointed but oh well.
What I will not accept is an attempt from AZ to force the ticket as a non-refundable economy ticket. No sir-eee
#195
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Tried that and didn't generate email.