Dec 31, 2018, 9:41 pm
Last edit by: alexj7
CAUTION - TURNAROUND
"One customer did have issues. Wang Guanran, who documents his travels on hktravelblog.com, had his plans to travel to New York on Wednesday cut short when he was prevented from flying by immigration officials in Vietnam... he was detained by Vietnamese immigration officials, who said it was illegal to return to his city of origin while in transit." - Source:SCMP, 2 January 2019
Also https://rapidtravelchai.boardingarea...-direct-turns/
Visa Information: check out the Vietnam visa/VOA thread in the Asia forum. You can get either a visa on arrival where you get the stamp on arrival) or a "looseleaf" visa in advance from a VN Consulate in the US (which allows you to go straight to the immigration queue). There are sometimes lines for the VOA stamp and so the loosleaf approach can save you some time.
Seat Assignments
per NWPlatinum below - Cathay blocks out all seats except for 2D for some reason. I never understood the reasoning behind this but in any event just contact them for a seat assignment and they’ll let you have your choice. They like to block out seats for people with bassinets and babies. But you can usually get 2A, which is the best see if you’re solo traveler. Just say I want seat 2A and I’ll move if requested at the airport (never was asked to move)
Basic Visa Options for US Citizens
1. One month, one entry
2. One month, multiple entries
3. Three months, one entry
4. Three months, multiple entries
5. One year, multiple entries
Everyone needs an e-visa approval before boarding if they will enter the country. (e.g. clear customs). Connecting flights - even on separate tickets - do not require a visa IF IF IF the connecting airline has a counter in the transit area. (The airline may have their own rules.) Going back to the same country is not allowed without clearing customs first.
Expect the visa check at your point of departure. (Computer will flag your ticket.) The actual stamp is received on arrival (in most cases). (There is also the possibility of a visa insert with no need to go to 'visa on arrival'.)
Official Site: Embassy of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam in the United States
Lounge Access (Access Requirements)
JFK - AA Flagship First (F Departure)
ORD - British Airways Club / First Lounge T5 (J / F departures). AA Flagship lounge T3 (logistics in this post)
BOS
SFO - CX Lounge Terminal A (F or J Departure)
YVR - CX Lounge Gate 67
HKG
HAN - Song Hong Lounge (KA) or ACV/NIA Business Lounge (KA)
DAD
Current status:
- Deal is no longer active (can't book this anymore)
Mainstream media coverage:
- Cathay Pacific says it will honour first and business-class tickets sold in error in move that could cost it millions [SCMP, 2 January 2019]
- Cathay Pacific error sees $16,000 flights sold for $675 [The Guardian, 2 January 2019]
- Bloomberg article by Kyunghee Park
- South China Morning Post article by Danny Lee
- Follow up article from Danny Lee SCMP with individual anecdotes and analyst comments.
- Oriental Daily Hong Kong & Macao news article discussing the fare via lens of airline "mismanagement" (Chinese)
Post your trip dates and itinerary here:
Please use (+1) to denote you are in F and can guest someone (or more than 1 person) into the F lounges in HKG.
January:
1/9: KA 294 HAN-HKG - tonykline1947 (+1)
1/10: CX 888 HKG-YVR - tonykline1947 (+1)
1/18: KA 296 HAN-HKG - SOWK
1/19: CX 888 HKG-YVR - SOWK
1/21: KA 227 DAD-HKG - Governator
1/21: KA 227 DAD-HKG - usairchairman (+1)
1/21: CX 840 HKG-JFK - usairchairman (+1)
1/21: CX 846 HKG-JFK - Governator
1/22: CX 845 JFK-HKG - Governator
1/23: KA 220 HKG-DAD - Governator (won't fly this one)
1/23: CX5227 DAD-HKG rbAA
1/23: CX840 HKG-JFK rbAA (can guest at Wing FC or Pier FC as I have 5hrs+)
1/26: CX 227 DAD-HKG - Synd(+1)
1/26: CX 846 HKG-JFK - Synd(+1)
1/29 KA 227 DAD-HKG - miffSC
1/29 CX 846 HKG-JFK - miffSC
1/30: CX 831 JFK-HKG - Synd (+1)
1/30: CX 865 JFK - YVR - HKG - ss2k(+1) can guest someone at JFK Flagship dining (i think)
February:
2/1: CX 220 - HKG - DAD - Synd (+1) - will try not to fly this one
2/1: CX 220 - HKG - DAD - ss2k (+1) - will probably stay in DAD for couple of days if anyone wants to join
2/2: CX865 JFK-YVR-HKG rbAA (can guest at JFK AA FL FC)
2/3 - KA 227 - DAD-HKG - swgsword, Pochama
2/3 - CX 840 - HKG-JFK - Pochama
2/4 - CX 888 - HKG-YVR-JFK - swgsword (+1, also FL at JFK)
2/4: CX5220 HKG-DAD rbAA (tight connection :50 so no lounge time unless I misconnect)
2/10: CX 764 SGN-HKG - zebes
2/11: CX 806 HKG-ORD - zebes
2/15: CX 831 JFK-HKG - usairchairman (+1)
2/15: CX 812 HKG-BOS - AnttiV
2/16: KA 220 HKG-DAD - usairchairman (+1)
2/18 CX 872 HKG-SFO - princesakura (+1)
2/19: KA 296 HAN-HKG - IncaTrails
2/19: CX 812 HKG-BOS - IncaTrails
2/22: CX 811 BOS-HKG - AnttiV
March:
3/01: CX 807 ORD-HKG - zebes
3/01 CX ### HAN-HKG - billbligh (+3)
3/02 CX888 HKG-YVR (0100) billybligh(+3)
3/03: CX 767 HKG-SGN - zebes
3/03: CX 764 SGN-HKG - zebes
3/04: CX 806 HKG-ORD - zebes
3/05: CX1790 HAN-HKG - dordal
3/06: CX872 HKG-SFO - dordal
3/08: CX 873 SFO-HKG - princesakura
3/11: KA 223 DAD-HKG - SiempreBCNJFK
3/12: CX 888 HKG-YVR-JFK - SiempreBCNJFK
3/12: CX 865 YVR-HKG - SOWK
3/13: CX 1791 HKG-HAN - SOWK
3/14: CX 5227 DAD-HKG - Hudute
3/14: CX 840 HKG-JFK - Hudute
3/15: CX 5527 DAD-HKG - Frebay (+1)
3/15: CX 840 HKG-JFK - Frebay (+1)
3/15: CX 845 JFK-HKG - SiempreBCNJFK
3/16: KA 228 HKG-DAD - SiempreBCNJFK
3/17: KA 227 DAD-HKG - SiempreBCNJFK
3/17: CX 890 HKG-EWR - SiempreBCNJFK
3/18: CX 872 HKG-SFO - princesakura (+1)
3/20: CX ### HKG-JFK - tcormier (+2)
3/20: CX 888 HKG-(YVR)-JFK - captainstubing (+1)
3/22: CX 831 JFK-HKG - captainstubing
3/22: CX 840 HKG-JFK - jongesander (+1)
3/25: CX 899 EWR-HKG - SiempreBCNJFK
3/26: KA 226 HKG-DAD - SiempreBCNJFK
3/26: CX 845 JFK-HKG - swgsword
3/27: KA 220 HKG-DAD - swgsword (+1)
3/27: KA ### HAN-HKG - Mauibaby2008
3/27: CX ### HKG-JFK - Mauibaby2008
3/28: CX 766 SGN-HKG - SiempreBCNJFK
3/28: CX 846 HKG-JFK - SiempreBCNJFK
3/29: CX 5296 HAN-HKG - LHG
3/29: CX 872 HKG-SFO - LHG
3/29: CX 807 ORD-HKG - zebes
3/31: CX 767 HKG-SGN - zebes
April:
4/3 CX 845 JFK-HKG - miffSC
4/4 KA 220 HKG-DAD - miffSC
4/6 KA 294 HAN-HKG - frisbfreek
4/7 CX 830 HKG-JFK - frisbfreek (+1)
4/13: KA 294 HAN-HKG - bostonbali (+1)
4/13: KA 294 HAN-HKG - swgsword
4/14: CX 888 HKG-YVR-JFK bostonbali (+1)
4/14: CX 888 HKG-YVR-JFK swgsword (+1)
4/19: KA 298 HAN-HKG shek3112
4/19: CX 846 HKG-JFK shek3112 (+3)
4/19: CX 806 HKG-ORD Oshkosh105 (+1)
4/20: CX 807 ORD-HKG Oshkosh105
4/29: CX 845 JFK-HKG shek3112 (+3)
4/30: KA 299 HKG-HAN shek3112 (may change)
4/30: KA 221 DAD-HKG - driveswith (+1)
May:
5/1: CX 888 HKG-YVR - driveswith (+1)
5/1: CX 888 YVR-JFK - driveswith (+1)
5/8: CX 845 JFK-HKG - driveswith (+1)
5/8: KA 221 DAD-HKG - zip10001
5/8: CX 840 HKG-JFK - zip10001
5/10: CX 873 SFO-HKG - dordal
5/11: CX5297 HKG-HAN - dordal
5/11: KA 296 HAN-HKG - james_yuen (+1)
5/12: CX 888 HKG-YVR - james_yuen (+1)
5/12: CX 5294 HAN-HKG - dordal
5/13: CX 872 HKG-SFO - dordal
5/13: BA 28 HKG-LHR - driveswith (+1)
5/15 CX865 YVR-HKG - james_yuen (+1)
5/16 KA 299 HKG-HAN - james_yuen (+1)
5/19: CX 845 JFK-HKG - Frebay (+1)
5/20: CX 5224 HKG-DAD - Frebay (+1)
5/21: KA 296 HAN-HKG - AndrewT84
5/22: CX 872 HKG-SFO - AndrewT84
5/24: CX 811 BOS-HKG - IncaTrails
5/25: KA 297 HKG-HAN - IncaTrails
5/28: CX 764 SGN-HKG - JetSetDave
5/28: CX 858 HKG-SEA - JetSetDave
5/30: CX 841 JFK-HKG - zip10001
5/31: KA 224 HKG-DAD - zip10001
5/31: CX 5294 (KA) HAN-HKG maverikbc (+1)
June:
6/1: CX 888 HKG-YVR maverikbc (+1)
6/2: KA 221 DAD-HKG - sgan317 (+2)
6/2: CX 840 HKG-JFK - sgan317 (+2)
6/2: KA 221 DAD-HKG - greendx
6/2: CX 840 HKG-JFK - greendx
6/3: CX 888 HKG-JFK - JALOO5-Flyer
6/8: KA 296 HAN-HKG - Mrow (+1)
6/8: CX 846 HKG-JFK - Mrow (+1)
6/8: CX 766 SGN-HKG - Quanh79 (+3)
6/8: CX 846 HKG-JFK - Quanh79 (+3)
6/8: KA 296 HAN-HKG - UAPremierGuy
6/8: CX 840 HKG-JFK - UAPremierGuy
6/8: KA 221 DAD-HKG - Evianon
6/8: CX 840 HKG-JFK - Evianon (+1)
6/9: KA 294 DAD-HKG - Frebay (+1)
6/10: CX 872 HKG-SFO - Frebay (+1)
6/10: CX 845 JFK-HKG - UAPremierGuy
6/11: CX 845 JFK-HKG - Evianon
6/12: KA 220: HKG-DAD - Evianon
6/12: CX 841 JFK-HKG - Mrow (+1)
6/12: CX 845 JFK-HKG - Hudute
6/13: KA 299 HKG-HAN - Mrow (+1)
6/13: CX 5220 HKG-DAD - Hudute
6/17: KA 225 DAD-HKG - CruisingAlitiude47
6/18: CX 830 HKG-JFK - CruisingAlitiude47
6/22: KA 294 HAN-HKG - FormallyKnownAs (+1)
6/22: CX 830 HKG-YVR - FormallyKnownAs (+1)
6/22: CX 888 HKG-JFK - FormallyKnownAs (+1)
6/22: KA 221 DAD-HKG ZohyeahZ (+2)
6/22: CX 840 HKG-JFK ZohyeahZ (+2)
6/28: CX 865 JFK-HKG - greendx
6/30: KA 220 HKG-DAD - greendx
July:
7/3: CX 857 SEA-HKG - JetSetDave
7/4: CX 767 HKG-SGN - JetSetDave
7/4: KA 294 HAN-HKG - Majuki
7/4 CX 872 SFO-HKG - princesakura
7/5: CX 872 HKG-SFO - Majuki
7/5: KA 227 DAD-HKG - afirm (+1)
7/6: CX 888 HKG-YVR-JFK- afirm (+1)
7/7: CX 841 JFK-HKG - afirm (+1)
7/8: KA 224 HKG-DAD - afirm (+1)
7/8: KA 296 HAN-HKG - terryversay (+1)
7/8: CX 840 HKG-JFK - terryversay (+1)
7/8: CX 872 - HKG-SFO - princesakura
7/9: CX 841 JFK-HKG - JALOO5-Flyer
7/11: CX 873 SFO-HKG - AndrewT84
7/12: KA 297 HKG-HAN - AndrewT84
7/12: CX 845 JFK-HKG - CruisingAltitude47
7/13: KA 220 HKG-DAD - CruisingAltitude47
7/14: KA 221 DAD-HKG - nutty92 (+2)
7/14: CX 840 HKG-JFK - nutty92 (+2)
7/14: CX 1764 SGN-HKG - chitink (+2)
7/15: CX 806 HKG-ORD - chitink (+2)
7/17: CX 840 HKG-JFK - danfl44 (+1)
7/20: CX 865 JFK-HKG zOhYeahz (+2)
7/22: KA 224 HKG-DAD zOhYeahz (+2)
7/25: CX 841 JFK-HKG - danfl44 (+1)
7/27: CX ### JFK-HKG - tcormier (+2)
7/30: KA 221 DAD-HKG - driveswith (+1)
7/31: CX 888 HKG-YVR - driveswith (+1)
7/31: CX 888 YVR-JFK - driveswith (+1)
August:
8/5: KA 225 DAD-HKG - sriegert
8/6: CX 888 HKG-JFK - sriegert
8/6 KA 221 DAD-HKG - aradisc (+1)
8/7 CX 888 HKG-YVR-JFK - aradisc (+1)
8/7: KA 221/840 DAD-HKG-JFK Brituchenite
8/9: CX 845 JFK-HKG - Quanh79 (+1)
8/9: CX767 HKG-SGN - Quanh79 (+1)
8/10 CX 840 HKG-JFK - thefilipinotraveler (+1)
8/11 CX 841 JFK-HKG - driveswith (+1)
8/11 KA 294 DAD-HKG - pochi
8/12 KA 225 DAD-HKG - Dancrane (+1)
8/12 CX 888 HKG-JFK - pochi (+1)
8/13 CX 830 HKG-JFK - Dancrane (+1)
8/17 CX 851 SFO-HKG - princesakura
8/17 CX 841 JFK-HKG - pochi (+1)
8/17 KA 297 HKG-HAN - thefilipinotraveler (+1)
8/18 CX 845 JFK-YVR-HKG - swgsword
8/19 KA 299 HKG-HAN - swgsword (+1)
8/19 CX 841 JFK-HKG - Dancrane (+1)
8/20 KA 224 HKG-DAD - Dancrane (+1)
8/23 CX 845 JFK-HKG - sriegert
8/23 CX812 HKG-BOS - paul4471 (+2)
8/24 - KA 220 HKG-DAD - sriegert
8/24 CX1790/VN592 HAN-HKG ritesa (+1)
8/25 CX888 HKG-YVR ritesa (+1)
8/26 CX 872 HKG-SFO - princesakura
8/27 CX865 YVR-HKG ritesa (+1)
8/30: CX835 JFK-HKG - terryversay (+1)
8/30: CX830 HKG-JFK - JALOO5-Flyer (+1)
8/31: KA297 HKG-HAN - terryversay (+1)
8/30 KA299 HKG-HAN ritesa (+1)
8/30: CX865CX5/220 JFK-YVR-HKG-DAD Brituchenite
8/30: KA/CX ### HAN-HKG-JFK-DCA - GlobalNelson
September:
9/1: CX 766 SGN-HKG - quinzinho (+1)
9/1: AA 192 / CX 7686 HKG-LAX - quinzinho (+1)
9/1: AA 303 LAX-IAD - quinzinho (+1)
9/1: CX 873 SFO-HKG - Majuki
9/1: CX 1791 HKG-HAN - paul4471 (+2)
9/2: KA 297 HKG-HAN - Majuki
9/6: AA 1139 IAD-LAX - quinzinho (+1)
9/7: AA 193 / CX 7685 LAX-HKG - quinzinho (+1)
9/8: CX 767 HKG-SGN - quinzinho (+1)
9/7: KA 221 DAD-HKG - ChiefNWA
9/7: CX 840 HKG-JFK - ChiefNWA
9/9: VN592-CX840 HAN-HKG-JFK - Zebranz
9/14: KA296-CX810 HAN-HKG pschafer+1 in J
9/14: CX 851 SFO-HKG - princesakura
9/26: CX 764 SGN-HKG - Phrantic
9/27: CX 806 HKG-ORD - Phrantic
9/28: CX 845 JFK-HKG - Pochama
9/29: KA 220 HKG-DAD - Pochama
9/30: CX ### JFK-HKG - Mauibaby2008
October:
10/01: KA ### HKG-HAN - Mauibaby2008
10/05: CX855-KA299 YVR-HKG-HAN - pschafer+1 in J
10/08 CX5221 - CX890 DAD-HKG-EWR MCI777
10/10 CX841 - CX5224 JFK-HKG-DAD MCI777
10/10: CX865-KA297 JFK-HKG-HAN - Zebranz
10/11: CX 865 JFK-HKG - ChiefNWA
10/12: KA 220 HKG-DAD - ChiefNWA
10/12: CX 873 SFO-HKG - dordal
10/13: CX5299 HKG-HAN
10/15: VN594-CX840 SGN-HKG-JFK - Zebranz
10/16-17: KA221J/CX888A DAD-HKG-YVR-JFK - Shareholder
10/19 CX865 YVR-HKG maverikbc (+1)
10/20 CX1791 (VN) HKG-HAN maverikbc (+1)
10/25: CX/KA ### DCA-JFK-HKG-HAN - GlobalNelson
10/30: CX 831 JFK-HKG - SiempreBCNJFK
10/31: CX 721 HKG-SGN - SiempreBCNJFK
November:
11/1: CX 831 JFK-HKG - sgan317 (+2)
11/1: KA/CX ### HAN-HKG-YVR - GlobalNelson
11/2: KA 220 HKG-DAD - sgan317 (+2)
11/4-6: CX865A/KA220J (CX5220J) JFK-HKG-DAD - Shareholder
11/7: CX 807 ORD-HKG - chitink (+1)
11/7: CX841-CX799 JFK-HKG-SGN - Zebranz (changed due to CX Cxl CX845)
11/8: CX 721 HKG-SGN - chitink (+1)
11/8: CX 845 JFK-HKG - nutty92 (+2)
11/9: KA 228 HKG-DAD - nutty92 (+2)
11/11: KA296-CX872 HAN-HKG-SFO - Zebranz
11/12: CX 1764 SGN-HKG - chitink (+1)
11/13: CX 806 HKG-ORD - chitink (+1)
11/17: KA 227 DAD-HKG - Paul5795 (+1)
11/18: CX 872 HKG-SFO - Paul5795 (+1)
11/26: CX 807 ORD-HKG - chitink (+1)
11/26: CX873-KA295 SFO-HKG-HAN - Zebranz (might abandon KA295)
11/27: CX 721 HKG-SGN - chitink (+1)
11/29: KA296 HAN-HKG - JAeX
11/30: CX872 HKG-SFO - JAeX
11/30: KA 227 DAD-HKG-Tennislover9
11/30: CX 846 HKG-JFK-Tennislover9
11/30: CX726 SGN-HKG- stephem (+4)
11/30: CX858 HKG-SEA- stephem (+4)
December:
12/02: HKG-SFO CX872- uclabruin82
12/14: KA 294 HAN-HKG - calcjr23 (+1)
12/15: CX 830 HKG-JFK - calcjr23 (+1)
12/15: CX873 SFO-HKG - Paul5795
12/17: KA226 HKG-DAD - Paul5795
12/18: CX 807 ORD-HKG - Phrantic
12/19: CX 865 YVR-HKG - FormallyKnownAs (+1)
12/19: CX 841 JFK-HKG - FormallyKnownAs (+1)
12/19: CX 865 JFK-YVR - calcjr23 (+1)
12/20: CX 865 YVR-HKG - calcjr23 (+1)
12/20: KA 295 HKG-HAN - FormallyKnownAs (+1) may abandon
12/20: CX 767 HKG-SGN - Phrantic
12/20: CX 845 JFK-HKG-Tennislover9
12/20: CX857 SEA-HKG- stephem (+4)
12/21: CX799 HKG-SGN- stephem (+4)
12/21: KA 228 HKG-DAD-Tennislover9 (may abandon)
12/21: KA 297 HKG-HAN - calcjr23 (+1)
12/21: CX873 SFO-HKG - JAeX
12/23: KA297 HKG-HAN - JAeX
12/24: CX 873 SFO-HKG - Frebay (+1)
12/24: KA 295 HKG-HAN - Frebay (+1)
12/24: CX 873 SFO-HKG - UCLABruin82
FARES (YMMV) listed alphabetically - F booked into J/A; J booked into I,D,C.
- DAD-IAD: ~$1,483 (F)
- DAD-JFK: ~$675 (J) ~$845 (F)
- DAD-SFO: ~$931 (J)
- HAN-BOS: ~$1,120 (J) ~$1,200 (F)
- HAN-IAD: ~$1,000 (J) ~$1,400 (F)
- HAN-JFK: ~$1,324 (J) ~$1,444 (F)
- HAN-SFO: ~$1,240 (F)
- HAN-YVR: ~$768 (J) ~$988 (F)
- SGN-JFK: ~$1,849 (F)
- SGN-ORD: ~$1,115 (F)
- SGN-SEA: ~$1,109 (J)
[Premium Fare Gone]: CX: Vietnam to North America from $674 (J) and $1100 (F)
Jan 7, 2019, 4:06 pm
#1111
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Global
Posts: 5,998
I would just caution people who are checking bags or even not checking bags to be careful. I’m wondering if to thwart people from dropping the last segment, they will force all checked baggage to go to the final destination no matter what because they know that people might drop the final segment.
I’ve been thinking about taking the last segment or not and sure when you find a little mileage run here or there, and drop a last segment no airline carrier ever goes after you. I have made dummy bookings to get in the lounges and drop last segment many times. And for those of you who said that it’s not been tried in courts are incorrect. A Spanish court ruled that throwaway ticketing is not illegal in a legal sense. Also the skiplag.com guy who was sued by United and Orbitz won and the court ruled that throwaway ticketing was not illegal. But because of the publicity of this fare, I wonder if CX will go to great lengths to ensure people take the last segment one way or another if you’re on the mistake fare?
Furthermore if you are planning on dropping the last segment and going from Hong Kong to wherever, DO NOT book CX flights on the same day. This could be found as a duplicate booking by computers and you could be flagged, or your reservation cancelled.
I’ve been thinking about taking the last segment or not and sure when you find a little mileage run here or there, and drop a last segment no airline carrier ever goes after you. I have made dummy bookings to get in the lounges and drop last segment many times. And for those of you who said that it’s not been tried in courts are incorrect. A Spanish court ruled that throwaway ticketing is not illegal in a legal sense. Also the skiplag.com guy who was sued by United and Orbitz won and the court ruled that throwaway ticketing was not illegal. But because of the publicity of this fare, I wonder if CX will go to great lengths to ensure people take the last segment one way or another if you’re on the mistake fare?
Furthermore if you are planning on dropping the last segment and going from Hong Kong to wherever, DO NOT book CX flights on the same day. This could be found as a duplicate booking by computers and you could be flagged, or your reservation cancelled.
The most CX would likely do is to declare the ticket canceled and not award the FF miles. (Simply telling AA or other partners you did not fly would likely be enough for AA to not give you the miles. I doubt AA would go against CX on this fare. Not sure about other airlines.) Even then, it just might not be worth it to CX to bother with arguing miles.
It comes down to how risk-averse you are... While I think anyone would likely be fine not flying the last segment, I am not willing to risk it. (At least for now.)
Jan 7, 2019, 4:11 pm
#1112
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Seattle
Programs: AS MVP100K, Hilton Diamond, IHG Gold
Posts: 3,215
Regarding BA, they are known to be extremely vindictive against travelers and canceling every mistake fare ever. They also always try to penny pinch the traveler when BA makes a mistake. They are probably the most anti-Customer airline out there. I had an agent accidentally charge me $25 phone fee for booking an AS award. BA refused to refund the fee. So comparing BA to ANY airline is pointless. Not to mention when BA has been wrong the UK government has a history of always siding with them. So using BA as an example I don’t think makes any good points.
In addition a Spanish Supreme Court ruled throw away ticketing was not illegal. https://www.godsavethepoints.com/201...g-skiplagging/
As far as if I plan to skip the last segment, I will have to think about it as well. I’ll also have to evaluate my health that day because I can only travel first class. Since there is no first class from HKG-SGN, this might exacerbate my symptoms.
Last edited by NWplatinum; Jan 7, 2019 at 4:40 pm
Jan 7, 2019, 4:22 pm
#1113
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Seat 2A
Programs: AA EXP LT GLD 1MM, BA GLD, NH/UA*G, Hyatt Dia, Marr Tit LT PLT, IHG Spire,HH Dia, MGM NOIR,Hertz PC
Posts: 10,571
Right - I don't believe I've seen a single airline chase down more than one or two people dropping the final legs of a flight for a fare reprice, which is what the CoC suggests. I don't think CX would be able to successfully convince AS to clawback airline miles, but perhaps this will be an exception.
Jan 7, 2019, 4:34 pm
#1114
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Seattle
Programs: AS MVP100K, Hilton Diamond, IHG Gold
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United sent him a bill for $5600. The guy showed it to an attorney who laughed and told him to throw it away and United did not pursue. As someone posted above, proving intent in a court of law is extremely difficult. Nobody can know what you’re thinking except for you and Ms. Cleo.
Jan 7, 2019, 4:37 pm
#1115
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Seattle
Programs: AS MVP100K, Hilton Diamond, IHG Gold
Posts: 3,215
Just want to confirm, with no status on American or Alaskan, would it be best to credit to Alaska for more miles?? (I just signed up for FF accounts for each of them) I am flying HAN-HKG-YVR and back with the HKG-YVR on Cathay and the other segment on Vietnam airlines
Thanks
Thanks
Jan 7, 2019, 5:02 pm
#1116
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Seattle
Programs: AS MVP100K, Hilton Diamond, IHG Gold
Posts: 3,215
Quick question, and sorry if this has already been asked before somewhere in the previous 71 pages:
If I am able to change the last leg (HKG-HAN) to a later flight on the same day, thereby extending my layover in HKG from 3h to 12h, would CX staff at JFK likely allow me to short-check the bags to HKG?
What if I am travelling with my wife, and only one of us tried to change the onward flight HKG-HAN to a later time on the same date, again would CX's JFK staff allow the person with the longer layover to short-check their bag, and the one who is on the shorter connection to check bags all the way through to Vietnam? Is it possible to change the onward flight for only 1 pax if the original reservation is for 2 or 3 people? If yes, would I have to do that over the phone?
If I am able to change the last leg (HKG-HAN) to a later flight on the same day, thereby extending my layover in HKG from 3h to 12h, would CX staff at JFK likely allow me to short-check the bags to HKG?
What if I am travelling with my wife, and only one of us tried to change the onward flight HKG-HAN to a later time on the same date, again would CX's JFK staff allow the person with the longer layover to short-check their bag, and the one who is on the shorter connection to check bags all the way through to Vietnam? Is it possible to change the onward flight for only 1 pax if the original reservation is for 2 or 3 people? If yes, would I have to do that over the phone?
At the end of the day you’re taking a gamble and you don’t know what the outcome is going to be.
I would advise everyone to try to pack as little as possible to fit in a carry-on backpack to avoid checking bags if you plan on skipping the last segment. This is the only way you can guarantee that your bags will be OK. Someone also suggested that if things do go wrong, and your bags end up in Vietnam, and you go somewhere else, you can say you had to go to the hospital and fly home so you don’t know what to do now that your bags are in Vietnam. I’m not sure it’s the most ethical thing, and I’m not condoning it, but somebody did suggest it.
I don’t want to get yelled at by anybody. I do not condone unethical, or illegal practices but these are answers to peoples questions. I’m not the moral police.
Jan 7, 2019, 5:15 pm
#1117
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: UK
Programs: BA Silver, AA Gold, A3 Gold, Honors Diamond, Bonvoy Gold
Posts: 1,251
Jan 7, 2019, 5:58 pm
#1118
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Manhattan Beach, California
Programs: BMI Diamond Club Gold forever
Posts: 6,367
I think anyone not using this fare to visit VN twice is missing out! What a gorgeous country with extremely hospital folks and amazing food!
That said, i have traveled for work for a couple decades and have a graveyard full of abandoned tickets to my name. I have abandoned them at all stages, one segment in, two segments in, the last segment. And I’ve abandoned a ticket on nearly every global airline at some point.
My experiences are many, but not one of them aligns with the scare stories I see above. My plans changed, I got sick, an airline was failing to get me where I needed to go fast enough, and I’ll admit it, sprinkled in there were a few cases where i bought a ticket because it was cheaper and I didnt need the return or the last segment or two. Many times I tell the carrier my plans have changed other times I just no show. I’ve never gotten any feedback while speaking with them to cancel that suggests the airlines interpret their contacts of carriage as some here do and I have never gotten a bill or been denied FF credit where i just abandoned one or more segments. In fact quite the opposite! On more than a few occasions I've gotten a credit back for a segment I didnt fly. If you miss enough flights, some percentage of them will have a problem which might actually justify you going your own way AND getting compensation, even if you made the decision to dirch long in advance. I think maybe 15% of the time something happens that allows me to claim back the cost apportioned to one or more dropped segments. I’ve even been proactively contacted by airlines asking me if I want a refund for the unused segments, on a totally nonrefundable ticket, where I had walked away from the ticket and taken another flight by that carrier.
I know there are a number of folks here who are “by the book” and who love to quote some section or another of the airline’s CoC, but I doubt any of them have much experience dropping segments. I’m flying every segment on this deal, but if I weren’t i wouldn’t be all that concerned about it.
That said, i have traveled for work for a couple decades and have a graveyard full of abandoned tickets to my name. I have abandoned them at all stages, one segment in, two segments in, the last segment. And I’ve abandoned a ticket on nearly every global airline at some point.
My experiences are many, but not one of them aligns with the scare stories I see above. My plans changed, I got sick, an airline was failing to get me where I needed to go fast enough, and I’ll admit it, sprinkled in there were a few cases where i bought a ticket because it was cheaper and I didnt need the return or the last segment or two. Many times I tell the carrier my plans have changed other times I just no show. I’ve never gotten any feedback while speaking with them to cancel that suggests the airlines interpret their contacts of carriage as some here do and I have never gotten a bill or been denied FF credit where i just abandoned one or more segments. In fact quite the opposite! On more than a few occasions I've gotten a credit back for a segment I didnt fly. If you miss enough flights, some percentage of them will have a problem which might actually justify you going your own way AND getting compensation, even if you made the decision to dirch long in advance. I think maybe 15% of the time something happens that allows me to claim back the cost apportioned to one or more dropped segments. I’ve even been proactively contacted by airlines asking me if I want a refund for the unused segments, on a totally nonrefundable ticket, where I had walked away from the ticket and taken another flight by that carrier.
I know there are a number of folks here who are “by the book” and who love to quote some section or another of the airline’s CoC, but I doubt any of them have much experience dropping segments. I’m flying every segment on this deal, but if I weren’t i wouldn’t be all that concerned about it.
Jan 7, 2019, 6:33 pm
#1119
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Central Illinois
Posts: 87
Is it possible to travel the return (JFK to HAN) without my traveling partner?
Also - if going twice to Vietnam - Do I file for the e-visa and then once I leave file for another e-visa or would it be better to obtain a multi entry visa through an embassy? (I know this has been discussed repeatedly, but I guess I just need reassurance)
Thanks!
Also - if going twice to Vietnam - Do I file for the e-visa and then once I leave file for another e-visa or would it be better to obtain a multi entry visa through an embassy? (I know this has been discussed repeatedly, but I guess I just need reassurance)
Thanks!
Jan 7, 2019, 7:19 pm
#1120
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Jan 7, 2019, 7:20 pm
#1121
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 2,279
Some people have been giving examples that nothing happen when they give up the last segment on other tickets or Mileage run. Those are regular/sales fare. And not mistake fare.
In this case, this is a mistake fare n we won’t know what CX will do when people drop the last segment. They might do something to recover their cost since they have honor the contract and would expect the pax to do the same.
In this case, this is a mistake fare n we won’t know what CX will do when people drop the last segment. They might do something to recover their cost since they have honor the contract and would expect the pax to do the same.
Jan 7, 2019, 7:46 pm
#1122
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Manhattan Beach, California
Programs: BMI Diamond Club Gold forever
Posts: 6,367
Some people have been giving examples that nothing happen when they give up the last segment on other tickets or Mileage run. Those are regular/sales fare. And not mistake fare.
In this case, this is a mistake fare n we won’t know what CX will do when people drop the last segment. They might do something to recover their cost since they have honor the contract and would expect the pax to do the same.
In this case, this is a mistake fare n we won’t know what CX will do when people drop the last segment. They might do something to recover their cost since they have honor the contract and would expect the pax to do the same.
Remember the eXCMB Etihad F mistake? I think it was CMB-DFW. After a series of schedule changes, my AUH-JFK and JFK-DFW segments didnt align and so I called Etihad repeatedly as the trip approached and they did nothing. In the end I sent a complaint to the DOT and requested a much better JFK-LAX-DFW routing be added. That worked nice for us, JFK-LAX was on the 32T in first, comfortable after the long journey from CMB. Never flew the last segment to DFW and told AA at JFK to short check bags to LAX and they did.
Last summer we flew another error fare that had been around for a long time under the radar, also stepped off the plane and let AA know we would be continuing on and they actually asked if i wanted to reticket w a stopover (it was an unrestricted fare and so allowed that for no cost). We passed and they just cancelled the ticket.
Jan 7, 2019, 8:23 pm
#1123
Join Date: May 2004
Location: 7th planet on your right
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Regarding BA, they are known to be extremely vindictive against travelers and canceling every mistake fare ever. They also always try to penny pinch the traveler when BA makes a mistake. They are probably the most anti-Customer airline out there. I had an agent accidentally charge me $25 phone fee for booking an AS award. BA refused to refund the fee. So comparing BA to ANY airline is pointless. Not to mention when BA has been wrong the UK government has a history of always siding with them. So using BA as an example I don’t think makes any good points.
Why should we always be apocalyptic in talking about the airlines? it would be easier just sticking to reality....
Just look at NZ which has been very strict in honouring fares lately.... but.... last week they said they'll honour the ORD-SYD deal.
I repeat.... it would be definitely better avoiding to trace pattern for mistake fares.... there is NO common pattern at all.