[PREM FARE GONE] UA / ANA Biz YVR/YYZ - SIN USD $1970
Jan 10, 18, 7:39 pm
#76
Join Date: May 2001
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Yes this YYZ-BKK fare has been here for more than 2 months...
Ac: Yyz-bkk c$2888 rt
Ac: Yyz-bkk c$2888 rt
I always miss these by 1 day. If anyone else sees a sub US$2500 biz fare to SE Asia, let me know.
Last edited by TomA; Jan 10, 18 at 7:45 pm
Jan 10, 18, 9:46 pm
#77
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When do you need to fly out? There's seasonal fare available in Feb from YVR/SEA/PDX to HKG. It costs around 2.3k last time I check.
Jan 10, 18, 9:50 pm
#78
Join Date: May 2001
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But also could use mid March.
I'll check that. YYZ works better for me, because I'm in FL.
Jun 15, 18, 1:51 am
#80
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Cabotage, code shares, and near disaster....
I booked this, and I'm flying LAX-SIN right now... but a few hours ago I almost wasn't. I think this brings up a topic that might be worth discussing.
I was already familiar with cabotage and the restrictions against modified sixth freedom travel involving the US -- I avoided this flying to Saipan a few years ago by booking with different carriers. When I saw the YYZ-SIN deal I initially planned end-on-end tickets. But when I used United's multi-city search it let me book BOS (AC) YYZ (AC) LAX (UA) SIN on UA stock, so I figured this would save me trouble in case of travel disruption. How wrong I was....
I booked this ticket back in January. Yesterday I checked in via Air Canada and received my boarding pass for BOS-YYZ. We went to the airport and hung out in the United Club for a bit, then went to the tiny AC micro-terminal for our flight, delayed 45 minutes. We began boarding and... the gate agent told us we could not board the flight due to cabotage restrictions -- we would need at least a four hour stopover in Toronto.
Air Canada offered zero help whatsoever -- it was a United ticket and so it was a United problem, they said. Why they couldn't have figured this out as booking or checkin didn't matter to them, I was not their customer. I will _never_ fly Air Canada again.
I called United and, thankfully, they were able to reroute us... first they tried to stick us in middle seats in E- on the BOS-LAX direct, but after some cajoling we were able to get domestic F on BOS-ORD-LAX. This allowed a visit to the ORD Polaris Lounge, which almost makes up for the stress of the afternoon.
The strange thing is that it's not very clear if cabotage restrictions apply to code share flights! Every segment was ticketed as a UA flight, and it seems that until a fine and consent decree with Qantas in March (Qantas fined for unauthorized cabotage: Travel Weekly) this was considered valid. Perhaps the industry changed the rules in April and didn't bother to check existing ticketed reservations....
Anyway, let this be a warning to avoid accidentally booking routes subject to cabotage restrictions, because the airlines won't! I was looking forward to seeing AC's international product, but I'm happier to get my 2MM credit on UA metal.
I was already familiar with cabotage and the restrictions against modified sixth freedom travel involving the US -- I avoided this flying to Saipan a few years ago by booking with different carriers. When I saw the YYZ-SIN deal I initially planned end-on-end tickets. But when I used United's multi-city search it let me book BOS (AC) YYZ (AC) LAX (UA) SIN on UA stock, so I figured this would save me trouble in case of travel disruption. How wrong I was....
I booked this ticket back in January. Yesterday I checked in via Air Canada and received my boarding pass for BOS-YYZ. We went to the airport and hung out in the United Club for a bit, then went to the tiny AC micro-terminal for our flight, delayed 45 minutes. We began boarding and... the gate agent told us we could not board the flight due to cabotage restrictions -- we would need at least a four hour stopover in Toronto.
Air Canada offered zero help whatsoever -- it was a United ticket and so it was a United problem, they said. Why they couldn't have figured this out as booking or checkin didn't matter to them, I was not their customer. I will _never_ fly Air Canada again.
I called United and, thankfully, they were able to reroute us... first they tried to stick us in middle seats in E- on the BOS-LAX direct, but after some cajoling we were able to get domestic F on BOS-ORD-LAX. This allowed a visit to the ORD Polaris Lounge, which almost makes up for the stress of the afternoon.
The strange thing is that it's not very clear if cabotage restrictions apply to code share flights! Every segment was ticketed as a UA flight, and it seems that until a fine and consent decree with Qantas in March (Qantas fined for unauthorized cabotage: Travel Weekly) this was considered valid. Perhaps the industry changed the rules in April and didn't bother to check existing ticketed reservations....
Anyway, let this be a warning to avoid accidentally booking routes subject to cabotage restrictions, because the airlines won't! I was looking forward to seeing AC's international product, but I'm happier to get my 2MM credit on UA metal.
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Jun 16, 18, 12:03 am
#81
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So, even though you had no stopover at LAX and the fares are also separate (i.e BOS-YYZ/YYZ-SIN), AC still considered it cabotage? Maybe their people at BOS are just trying to be careful as they have been fined before? As you said, it is a UA ticket and I can see why AC did not want to touch it.
Jun 16, 18, 5:15 am
#82
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Yeah, I'm in the middle of the exact same trip right now, except my tickets were separate, booked independently (also all UA or UA codeshare though), and no problems...not that any were expected.
That's really surprising though... AFAIK you can have as many tickets as you want on the same PNR, and I thought the cabotage rules were a ticketing restriction. Maybe the people at BOS did a manual review, which is why they didn't catch it till boarding, and were just trying to be careful.
That's really surprising though... AFAIK you can have as many tickets as you want on the same PNR, and I thought the cabotage rules were a ticketing restriction. Maybe the people at BOS did a manual review, which is why they didn't catch it till boarding, and were just trying to be careful.
Jun 16, 18, 11:12 am
#83
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Looked on the AC Forum and found this: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28828030-post46.html
Jun 19, 18, 3:20 am
#84
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Looked on the AC Forum and found this: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28828030-post46.html
