Jul 31, 2017, 8:56 am
Last edit by: platbrownguy
Original premium fare deal was for QR J class travel, originating in Vietnam (SGN and HAN) to several destinations across the Americas, Europe, and Africa. Travel period 8/2017 - 3/2018 inclusive, RT fares in the USD 500 - 700 range (USD $0.05 base fare).
Reports have now been circulating that all held, non-purchased fares have been canceled by the airline. Some held and then purchased fares were also canceled, but several reports indicate at least some of those have been re-instated.
For more information on flying Qatar Airways, visit the FT forum: Qatar Airways | Privilege Club. This thread in that forum is especially useful: Qatar Airways Forum Dashboard.
This wikipost is intended to help us better understand if there are any trends (by route, travel date, and/or held/ticketed status) in these cancellations. In all entries, please include: outbound or inbound departure date, origin-destination, original ticket status (only *if* "Held" or "Ticketed after Hold"), and current ticket status only *if* your ticket was cancelled ("Cancelled" or "Cancelled & Reinstated").
August HAN/SGN-XXX & XXX-HAN/SGN
Aug 05 SGN-Africa - Ticketed after Hold.
Aug 08 SGN-EZE
Aug 13 EZE-SGN
Aug 23 HAN-FRA
September HAN/SGN-XXX & XXX-HAN/SGN
Sep XX HAN-GRU
Sep 21 SGN-JFK
Sep 30 SGN-ORD - mster
Sep XX HAN-PHL
Sep XX SGN-JFK
Sep XX SGN-JFK - Held. Cancelled & Reinstated.
October HAN/SGN-XXX & XXX-HAN/SGN
Oct 03 ORD-SGN - mster
Oct 07 SGN-DFW - mster
Oct 13 DFW-SGN - mster
Oct XX SGN-JNB
November HAN/SGN-XXX & XXX-HAN/SGN
Nov 05 SGN-JFK - trapped
Nov 07 JFK-SGN - trapped
Nov 09 SGN-ORD - trapped
Nov 16 ORD-SGN - trapped
Nov XX HAN-PHL - Ticketed after Hold.
December HAN/SGN-XXX & XXX-HAN/SGN
Dec 23 SGN-DFW pbg
Dec 28 DFW-SGN pbg
Dec 28 SGN-DFW
Dec XX SGN-DFW
January HAN/SGN-XXX & XXX-HAN/SGN
Jan 10 DFW-SGN
Jan 11 HAN-DFW
Jan 13 DFW-HAN
Jan 25 SGN-ORD - Booked via OTA. Davem4 (Happy for SGN meet late Jan)
Jan 31 HAN-ATL - mster
Jan XX SGN-SOF
Jan XX HAN-PHL - Ticketed after Hold.
Jan XX SGN-Africa
Jan XX DFW-SGN
Jan XX SGN-PHL
Jan XX SGN-EZE/GRU - Three RTs.
Jan XX SGN-DFW
Jan XX SGN-DFW
February HAN/SGN-XXX & XXX-HAN/SGN
Feb 20 ATL-HAN - mster
Feb XX SGN-JNB
Feb XX PHL-SGN
Feb XX GRU-SGN - Three RTs.
Feb 09 ORD-SGN - Booked via OTA. Davem4
Feb 10 SGN-WAW - Booked via OTA. - Davem4
Feb XX SGN-JFK - Booked via OTA - lcpteck
March HAN/SGN-XXX & XXX-HAN/SGN
Mar 01 SGN-ATL - mster
Mar 07 ATL-SGN - mster
Mar 04 SGN-JFK
Mar 19 JFK-SGN
Mar 01 HAN-MIA
Mar 04 MIA-HAN
Mar XX SGN-DFW
Mar XX SGN-DFW
Mar 03 WAW-SGN - Booked via OTA. - Davem4 (Happy for SGN meet early Mar)
Held & Cancelled
Aug XX SGN-FRA - Held. Cancelled.
Oct XX SGN-JFK - Held. Cancelled.
Nov / Feb SGN-PHL - Held. Cancelled. (Held ~7:30pm. No record when I went to ticket Monday @8:30am.)
Jan / Feb SGN-JFK - Held. Cancelled.
Reports have now been circulating that all held, non-purchased fares have been canceled by the airline. Some held and then purchased fares were also canceled, but several reports indicate at least some of those have been re-instated.
For more information on flying Qatar Airways, visit the FT forum: Qatar Airways | Privilege Club. This thread in that forum is especially useful: Qatar Airways Forum Dashboard.
This wikipost is intended to help us better understand if there are any trends (by route, travel date, and/or held/ticketed status) in these cancellations. In all entries, please include: outbound or inbound departure date, origin-destination, original ticket status (only *if* "Held" or "Ticketed after Hold"), and current ticket status only *if* your ticket was cancelled ("Cancelled" or "Cancelled & Reinstated").
August HAN/SGN-XXX & XXX-HAN/SGN
Aug 05 SGN-Africa - Ticketed after Hold.
Aug 08 SGN-EZE
Aug 13 EZE-SGN
Aug 23 HAN-FRA
September HAN/SGN-XXX & XXX-HAN/SGN
Sep XX HAN-GRU
Sep 21 SGN-JFK
Sep 30 SGN-ORD - mster
Sep XX HAN-PHL
Sep XX SGN-JFK
Sep XX SGN-JFK - Held. Cancelled & Reinstated.
October HAN/SGN-XXX & XXX-HAN/SGN
Oct 03 ORD-SGN - mster
Oct 07 SGN-DFW - mster
Oct 13 DFW-SGN - mster
Oct XX SGN-JNB
November HAN/SGN-XXX & XXX-HAN/SGN
Nov 05 SGN-JFK - trapped
Nov 07 JFK-SGN - trapped
Nov 09 SGN-ORD - trapped
Nov 16 ORD-SGN - trapped
Nov XX HAN-PHL - Ticketed after Hold.
December HAN/SGN-XXX & XXX-HAN/SGN
Dec 23 SGN-DFW pbg
Dec 28 DFW-SGN pbg
Dec 28 SGN-DFW
Dec XX SGN-DFW
January HAN/SGN-XXX & XXX-HAN/SGN
Jan 10 DFW-SGN
Jan 11 HAN-DFW
Jan 13 DFW-HAN
Jan 25 SGN-ORD - Booked via OTA. Davem4 (Happy for SGN meet late Jan)
Jan 31 HAN-ATL - mster
Jan XX SGN-SOF
Jan XX HAN-PHL - Ticketed after Hold.
Jan XX SGN-Africa
Jan XX DFW-SGN
Jan XX SGN-PHL
Jan XX SGN-EZE/GRU - Three RTs.
Jan XX SGN-DFW
Jan XX SGN-DFW
February HAN/SGN-XXX & XXX-HAN/SGN
Feb 20 ATL-HAN - mster
Feb XX SGN-JNB
Feb XX PHL-SGN
Feb XX GRU-SGN - Three RTs.
Feb 09 ORD-SGN - Booked via OTA. Davem4
Feb 10 SGN-WAW - Booked via OTA. - Davem4
Feb XX SGN-JFK - Booked via OTA - lcpteck
March HAN/SGN-XXX & XXX-HAN/SGN
Mar 01 SGN-ATL - mster
Mar 07 ATL-SGN - mster
Mar 04 SGN-JFK
Mar 19 JFK-SGN
Mar 01 HAN-MIA
Mar 04 MIA-HAN
Mar XX SGN-DFW
Mar XX SGN-DFW
Mar 03 WAW-SGN - Booked via OTA. - Davem4 (Happy for SGN meet early Mar)
Held & Cancelled
Aug XX SGN-FRA - Held. Cancelled.
Oct XX SGN-JFK - Held. Cancelled.
Nov / Feb SGN-PHL - Held. Cancelled. (Held ~7:30pm. No record when I went to ticket Monday @8:30am.)
Jan / Feb SGN-JFK - Held. Cancelled.
[FARE GONE]QR Business (R) SGN-Various USA/EU/South America from $553 USD RT
Aug 4, 2017, 12:19 pm
#587
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 125
I think it's a coin toss for us non status folks were to credit. I think I'm going to do BA (and fly 4 cheapies after that).
Rationale:
AA
Don't really need ~20k AA miles
Gold status doesn't really get you anything other than economy extra which is the advantage here. (Don't need bags because I have the credit card and don't care about priority boarding)
MQD can be tough to get to plat where I'd want to be
BA:
I can def use the avios miles somewhere
OW Sapphire is big IMO because it gives lounge access to lounges us non status folks can't get inside normally.
Can BA golds choose better seats on partner airlines??
Rationale:
AA
Don't really need ~20k AA miles
Gold status doesn't really get you anything other than economy extra which is the advantage here. (Don't need bags because I have the credit card and don't care about priority boarding)
MQD can be tough to get to plat where I'd want to be
BA:
I can def use the avios miles somewhere
OW Sapphire is big IMO because it gives lounge access to lounges us non status folks can't get inside normally.
Can BA golds choose better seats on partner airlines??
Aug 4, 2017, 2:05 pm
#588
Ambassador: LATAM
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: PNA
Programs: BAEC Silver
Posts: 4,648
Yes but sometimes. On AA BA Golds get to choose Main Cabin Extra, but I think Silvers do too
On LATAM BA Golds get a pick of row 1ABC, silvers weirdly get 1DEF and the whole of rows 2 through 5
On IB BA Golds no longer get preferential seat selection for the cheapest Y tix, that has been my experience MAN MAD and BRU MAD this year.
I don't know about other airlines because I am normally in J anyway but for the above its a worthwhile benefit.
Big perk of BA Silver or Gold is you get lounge access on US domestic flights. Flagship lounge at LAX and the dated but quieter Premium Lounge at MIA are two of my regular haunts.
On LATAM BA Golds get a pick of row 1ABC, silvers weirdly get 1DEF and the whole of rows 2 through 5
On IB BA Golds no longer get preferential seat selection for the cheapest Y tix, that has been my experience MAN MAD and BRU MAD this year.
I don't know about other airlines because I am normally in J anyway but for the above its a worthwhile benefit.
Big perk of BA Silver or Gold is you get lounge access on US domestic flights. Flagship lounge at LAX and the dated but quieter Premium Lounge at MIA are two of my regular haunts.
Aug 4, 2017, 5:06 pm
#590
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 164
In regards to crediting, if starting from scratch on both AA and BA...
It seems like I will earn
Should i default to BA in this case? I actually usually fly partners with these airlines in SE Asia and it would be great to get access to partner lounges if i do indeed earn oneworld sapphire.
It seems like I will earn
- 600 tier points for BA - Silver (And oneworld sapphire?)
- 20868 Miles towards AA - Not enough for Gold
Should i default to BA in this case? I actually usually fly partners with these airlines in SE Asia and it would be great to get access to partner lounges if i do indeed earn oneworld sapphire.
Aug 4, 2017, 8:43 pm
#592
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: SIN
Posts: 1,098
I agree about the insane BA YQ on BA metal, but one of my friends was sharing with me that Avios is quite a good deal for short-hauls on partner metal, e.g. intra-Japan, so there can be some use to it. Starting at 4,500, that's about 4 short-haul flights.
Aug 4, 2017, 9:15 pm
#593
Join Date: Mar 2016
Programs: OWE
Posts: 131
has anyone booked their position flights yet? too early? costs?
do you guys think that two hours between when i land in HAN to when i take off from HAN to go on this run is too little time to go through customs?
do you guys think that two hours between when i land in HAN to when i take off from HAN to go on this run is too little time to go through customs?
Last edited by staticx813; Aug 4, 2017 at 9:27 pm
Aug 4, 2017, 9:32 pm
#594
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: body: A stone's throw from SFO, mind: SE Asia
Programs: Some of this 'n some of that
Posts: 17,263
A r/t KUL-SGN is $30+ in taxes/fees, the same itin starting in SGN is $116.
Aug 5, 2017, 12:46 am
#595
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Seat 2A
Programs: AA EXP LT GLD 1MM, BA GLD, NH/UA*G, Hyatt Dia, Marr Tit LT PLT, IHG Spire,HH Dia, MGM NOIR,Hertz PC
Posts: 10,571
Aug 5, 2017, 1:13 am
#596
Join Date: Mar 2016
Programs: OWE
Posts: 131
not from what i understand, and on the BA site it says, "You'll need to fly BA at least four times and earn 600 Tier Points, or take a total of 50 BA flights, to move through to the Silver tier."
Aug 5, 2017, 1:41 am
#597
Join Date: Jun 2007
Programs: SQ AA TK
Posts: 1,438
Indeed each and every program has their benefits.
If you want lounge access (due to frequent travel in Y or domestic flying in US), extra baggage, then BA offers the fastest route to Sapphire provided you can make 4 sectors with them annually. RFS/short haul intra asia redemption last minute is quite useful too.
But for me, I look for long haul redemption. Intra asia on short sectors I'm happy with LCC. I do long-haul J a few times a year but usually favour the best deal regardless of alliance. So AA for me is just a mileage pooling spot, with no mileage expiry (provided you just have some account activity) until I have enough to redeem.
Believe it's 2 for Bronze. 4 for silver and above.
As an alternative, their discount cash fares go for about 90USD all in one way.
I did look through some budget/LCC options from some of the bigger gateways in S.E.A. Bearing in mind that HAN airport is quite far from downtown, I'd be keen to avoid an overnight in HAN.
From HKG you have jetstar that arrives in HAN at 1430. Quite ideal for the 1730 departure. But you will need to overnight going back.
From KUL/SIN, you have budget flights arriving between noon and 2pm. Quite ideal again for the 1730 departure, but you will need to overnight going back. There is a 1845 departure to SIN from HAN, but that's very overpriced on SilkAir.
For BKK/SGN, lots of options. SGN-HAN domestics run about 40-60USD, and the HAN-BKK flights anywhere from 50-80USD.
The conclusion for me was, its okay to fly in from HKG/SIN/KUL/SGN/BKK but going back it's best to fly out to BKK/SGN to avoid the overnight.
From Europe, I see SU is flying to HAN and the one-way fares seem to be as low as 310EUR from some German Ports. For the adventurous, it seems UIA is happy to bring you to BKK for a little as 220EUR one-way on their 2-4-2 configured 767.
I am tempted to do a direct turn on QR from BKK, but it does seem a little tight. Wonder if anyone has any experience with that? Only been to the old Int'l terminal. No idea how the new one is set-up.
Indeed Intra-Japan can be quite a deal. But for me, I don't frequent Japan anymore. When I was there though, I preferred the train as travel was confined to TYO-OSAKA.
If you want lounge access (due to frequent travel in Y or domestic flying in US), extra baggage, then BA offers the fastest route to Sapphire provided you can make 4 sectors with them annually. RFS/short haul intra asia redemption last minute is quite useful too.
But for me, I look for long haul redemption. Intra asia on short sectors I'm happy with LCC. I do long-haul J a few times a year but usually favour the best deal regardless of alliance. So AA for me is just a mileage pooling spot, with no mileage expiry (provided you just have some account activity) until I have enough to redeem.
From HKG you have jetstar that arrives in HAN at 1430. Quite ideal for the 1730 departure. But you will need to overnight going back.
From KUL/SIN, you have budget flights arriving between noon and 2pm. Quite ideal again for the 1730 departure, but you will need to overnight going back. There is a 1845 departure to SIN from HAN, but that's very overpriced on SilkAir.
For BKK/SGN, lots of options. SGN-HAN domestics run about 40-60USD, and the HAN-BKK flights anywhere from 50-80USD.
The conclusion for me was, its okay to fly in from HKG/SIN/KUL/SGN/BKK but going back it's best to fly out to BKK/SGN to avoid the overnight.
From Europe, I see SU is flying to HAN and the one-way fares seem to be as low as 310EUR from some German Ports. For the adventurous, it seems UIA is happy to bring you to BKK for a little as 220EUR one-way on their 2-4-2 configured 767.
I am tempted to do a direct turn on QR from BKK, but it does seem a little tight. Wonder if anyone has any experience with that? Only been to the old Int'l terminal. No idea how the new one is set-up.
I am SIN-based, too, and crediting to AA, because I'll be Explat by the time I take these flights. 2.2 x 23,000 BIS = ~50,000 RDM makes it a no brainer for me.
I agree about the insane BA YQ on BA metal, but one of my friends was sharing with me that Avios is quite a good deal for short-hauls on partner metal, e.g. intra-Japan, so there can be some use to it. Starting at 4,500, that's about 4 short-haul flights.
I agree about the insane BA YQ on BA metal, but one of my friends was sharing with me that Avios is quite a good deal for short-hauls on partner metal, e.g. intra-Japan, so there can be some use to it. Starting at 4,500, that's about 4 short-haul flights.
Aug 5, 2017, 6:29 am
#598
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 77
I am looking forward to hearing success stories of this fantastic deal. I managed to book 3 returns from SGN in January. It does appear that Qatar will be honouring them. I booked a few of Alitalia a few months ago and that was a nightmare getting them refunded!
I think there were some people who were due to go soon, cant wait to hear that they arrived back safe
I think there were some people who were due to go soon, cant wait to hear that they arrived back safe
Aug 5, 2017, 8:45 am
#599
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: SEA
Programs: AS MVPG
Posts: 153
My info for the wiki:
8/26 HAN-PHL; 8/28 PHL-HAN (ticketed, cc charge went through)
positioning flight TBD. thought i was going to give up my plat status this year (0 EQM on AA to date), but here we are. thinking either of getting to europe for a cheap AY J fare to BKK, or SFO-HKG on CX PE. There's also a reasonably priced PE on JL for BOS-HAN, which would be the easiest.
8/26 HAN-PHL; 8/28 PHL-HAN (ticketed, cc charge went through)
positioning flight TBD. thought i was going to give up my plat status this year (0 EQM on AA to date), but here we are. thinking either of getting to europe for a cheap AY J fare to BKK, or SFO-HKG on CX PE. There's also a reasonably priced PE on JL for BOS-HAN, which would be the easiest.
Aug 5, 2017, 8:55 am
#600
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: BKK
Programs: BAEC Gold
Posts: 41
For anyone who have paid for the booking but received no e-ticket, I don't think there's any luck now. My emails to them got no replies for three days so I managed to call them today. They kept insisting that since there's no ticket generated they will not reinstate the booking and the payment will be refunded. (Three agents always gave me different stories. One said it was already refunded on the 31st, one said it was already refunded on the 3rd, one said it wasn't processed yet and asked if I like to do it now.)
One interesting point: My booking was for SGN-DOH-JFK rt and it costs USD 672.78. One phone agent said that doesn't even cover all taxes and surcharges. I tried to make a booking today for the same route/date to see if it is true, and it seems all taxes and surcharges should be around USD 710. Indeed Departure Transportation Tax (USAP) and Arrival Transportation Tax (USAP) were missing from my quote. Of course my offer to pay the difference got refused. However if you have bookings for the same route and your price is around the same as mine, there may be some hiccups in the way.
One interesting point: My booking was for SGN-DOH-JFK rt and it costs USD 672.78. One phone agent said that doesn't even cover all taxes and surcharges. I tried to make a booking today for the same route/date to see if it is true, and it seems all taxes and surcharges should be around USD 710. Indeed Departure Transportation Tax (USAP) and Arrival Transportation Tax (USAP) were missing from my quote. Of course my offer to pay the difference got refused. However if you have bookings for the same route and your price is around the same as mine, there may be some hiccups in the way.