Lack

I already did, not my fault you refuse to see it. And if you really do need a courts seal on a piece of paper, please google 2YN75483 and enjoy the read.

We got to do something until the next one.

raporot

one long haul leg which is operated by JAL is still alive, but other 3 by AZ is cancelled,if i will fly 1 alive leg, i will get refund after these?how much?

Lack

You will very probably not fly.

shonamac

I had booked my ticket through a brick & mortar travel agent and the ticket was cancelled by Alitalia. However, I still have not got a refund on my CC, though the TA sent me an e-mail confirming that the refund was processed and it will probably take another week or so for it to show up on the account.

Has anyone else faced this situation? I do not want to offend the TA, with whom I have done business for many years, but I also do want to get my refund ASAP. What do you suggest I do?

a9504477

it's almost certainly not alive as not ticketed.

KARFA

The German case relating to refundability really has no relevance here. Unfortunately your continued insistence it does shows that you don't understand the case and how the law works.

Yes, the legal test applied for this mistake fare case is what I have been saying and what I have seen consistently in other such cases:

The judge applied the test, and based on the specific facts of this case judgement was given against the defendant. The facts will of course differ in each case, but again the case sows the legal test being applied is consistent.

TerryK

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/greed

Lack

How does it work? You repeat the same thing thing until your opponent folds? I've got time.

And then it follows pretty much the same logic as I laid out in previous posts, yet you still claim the trees are obstructing your view of the forest.

KARFA

Yes the evidence presented by the claimant showed that the test was not met so the contract was not void.

Lack

I believe quite a bit of that evidence bears resemblance to the current case.

KARFA

The judgement also relates to the indicidual claimant and their actions. If someone claimed on this AZ fare those may differ. Also in that case that price for that fare had been available for over four weeks which seems to have been very relevant to the judge's decision (s30).

Some things are similar, someare not. Each case turns on its merits, and the outcome is based on what arguments and facts each side can present The test which is applied is consistent though.

Lack

The actions being key here - doubt many of us would just buy an EK replacement tickets and then ask for a reimbursement.
Yes, four weeks are relevant. But it's not said if the claimant ("If Mr PASSENGER did know") knew it was on for that time and it may be similar to this fare being "live" for two weeks.
My points is that this also validates my logic behind not being able to take if this a mistake on account of the complex nature of the airline fares - this isn't fly for a penny deal, but within the delta of what various airlines price their fares on any given day (even if you're admitting more then a regular passenger the judge still recognizes that airlines work in mysterious ways).

ck_cologne

My pref. OTA simply does not answer my simple question why my first leg disappeared and what they could do about it.
I simply guess that AI rebooking attempt was well thought of making most bookers panik and cancelling the tickets.
Being with a few customers left actually flying it.

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irishguy28

I just noticed when finally logging in to my Amex account online, rather than via the App which shows less detail, that the first ticket - for which Expedia directed me to contact AZ - was refunded by Alitalia Bulgaria. According to the Amex, the ticket (and this is the first time I could find out what the new, exchanged e-ticket number was) was for a flight to depart from Lelystad! (Checking the e-ticket of course shows the expected FLR-FCO-DUS routing)



(Lelystad is currently only a general aviation airport, but there are plans to open it as a commercial aviation airport in a couple of year's time, with plans to move most of the holiday/charter/low cost flights from Schiphol to Lelystad to free up AMS for more premium and connecting traffic).