nov11

I don't think you are entitled to insist on SQ honoring the exact same penalties. I might be wrong but I don't believe you can add stopover(s). Adding or removing stopovers usually changes the structure of the ticket (your xs and os can't change - e.g SCL-xGRU-xSIN-COK can't be changed to SCL-xGRU-oSIN-COK without a reprice with x = layover less than 24 hours and o = greater than 24 hours).

Jaenks

Received a phone call today.OTA offer was GRU-JNB(JJ)-SIN(SQ). Asked GRU-JFK-SIN instead.They must get approval from LATAM and SQ,so during the next week should be confirmed. If possible, I change that to direct SCL-JFK in business. JNB-SIN is scheduled with A359 in the next year. GRU-... must be in LATAM metal.

gallen5555

Thanks for new data point. surprised they didnt offer LATAM GRU-LHR/CDG/BCN-SQ/SIN. Does not look like any miles on LATAM will credit to *A. Doing a lot of research to figure out what new routing to ask for when the OTA comes calling. I also saw GRU-FRA/LH FRA-SIN/SQ that would work if allowed. I am standing by for my call from expedia.uk. I am worried of asking for certain routings and then SQ may question the low price of the ticket and cancel it outright. What metal are you asking for on JFK-SIN? and what metal on SCL-JFK? I am trying to maximize my *A miles and crediting to one like SAS. I saw United metal SCL/USA and onward on UA metal but not sure if I credit to SAS would I still get the same miles on a SQ issued ticket.

What OTA did u use?

Did your OTA make mention of the fare rules: unlimited stops after first flite?

Jaenks

Same OTA. They did not mention the fare rules. I asked about connection in CDG/FRA but with no results. I will know more hopefully during the next week.The JNB connection was purely OTAs suggestion without LATAM and SQ approval. I asked then about EU connection and with no availability(weird!) and they offered JFK one. I chose the flight numbers and times to help with the search.Only LATAM metal is allowed to outside South America.

Dakota

What an interesting situation. Lots to speculate about, so here are a couple of mine...

How does LATAM work here? Does it have to be a JJ flight or are LA's available too? This fare is from SCL and LA opens up the much more attractive (to me) option of SCL/AKL. Very little difference in distance which direction one flies SCL-SIN, and flying non-stop from SCL is far preferable.

gallen5555

I like your thinking. I am booked on G0L from SCL to GRU. So I dont know how LATAM fits into this puzzle also. Hoping to see some members come up with some options for our escape from SCL.

Dakota

Ha! Not such a terrible hardship, given the right accommodations!

gallen5555

Oh, dont get me wrong. I love Santiago and even more so the wine country nearby. Just was hoping to do some stop overs on the way to SIN. Agree the accommodations can increase the pleasure of a trip. Just booked the Ritz-Carlton in Santiago. I can taste the free champagne in the club lounge now....ah, another please...

ung1

I also have a GOL SCL-GRU, and actually would prefer OW miles instead of *A ones. But haven't heard anything from travelocity yet, let's wait and see! Since there's a stopover in BCN, I would expect they re-route via somewhere in Europe, and not South Africa or the US -although that might be OK in terms of getting another sector to fly on!

Dakota

Hi All -

Does anyone have the original fare rules for this? If so, I´d be really grateful if you can post them here for all of us or PM me.

I didn't make a copy because they were linked to my OTA booking, but disappeared since that changed and sectors were cancelled. Awaiting contact from the OTA, and want to be well prepared when it happens.

Many thanks. ^

swaigiux

v fare basis bk fare travel-ticket ap minmax rtg
2 ¤cta c‡r 1050.00 t31oc - -/ - at01
passenger type-adt auto price-yes
from-scl to-ktm cxr-sq tvl-24nov16 rule-poa1 fbra13p/885
fare basis-cta normal fare dis-l vendor-atp
fare type-br rt-business class restricted
usd 1050.00 0800 e05sep14 d-infinity fc-cta fn-1v
system dates - created 02jan16/0022 expires infinity

50.rule application and other conditions
note - the following text is informational and not
validated for autopricing.
Sq usa poo
from area 1 to area 3
application
area
these fares apply
between area 1 and area 3.
Class of service
these fares apply for first/business class service. ‡
types of transportation
this rule governs one-way and round-trip fares.
Fares governed by this rule can be used to create
one-way/round-trip/circle-trip/open-jaw journeys.
Capacity limitations
the carrier shall limit the number of passengers
carried on any one flight at fares governed by
this rule and such fares will not necessarily be
available on all flights. The number of seats,
which the carrier shall make available on a given
flight, will be determined by the carriers best
judgement.
01.eligibility
no eligibility requirements apply.
02.day/time
no day/time travel restrictions apply.
03.seasonality
no seasonal travel restrictions apply.
04.flight application ‡
the fare component must not be on
one or more of the following
jj flights 1000 through 2999
jj flights 4000 through 7999
jj flights 8100 through 8999
mi flights 1000 through 9999
sq flights 1000 through 1099
sq flights 1180 through 4999
sq flights 5400 through 5600
sq flights 5700 through 9999
ib flights 5000 through 5999
ib flights 7000 through 7999
ux flights 3000 through 3999
g3 flights 7490 through 7499.
And
the fare component must include travel via
transatlantic sectors on
one or more of the following ‡
md«
sq flights 0067 through 68 operated by sq. ‡
05.advance reservations/ticketing
no advance reservations/ticketing requirements apply.
06.minimum stay
no minimum stay requirements apply.
07.maximum stay
no maximum stay requirements apply.
08.stopovers
unlimited free stopovers permitted on the pricing
unit.
09.transfers
unlimited transfers permitted on the pricing unit.
Fare break and embedded surface sectors permitted on
the fare component.
10.combinations
double open jaws not permitted.
End-on-end
end-on-end combinations permitted. Validate all fare
components. Side trips permitted with no ‡
restrictions. Fares must be shown separately on the ‡
ticket.
Provided -
combinations are for any carrier with any rule in
any public tariff.
Open jaws
fares may be combined on a half round trip basis
-to form single or double open jaws
a maximum of two international fare components
permitted. Mileage of the open segment must be equal/
less than mileage of the shortest flown fare
component.
Provided -
when the open segment occurs
-between area 1 and area 2 or between area 1 and
area 3
-within area 1
combinations are with any fare for any carrier in
any rule and tariff. ‡
md«
open jaws/round trips/circle trips ‡
fares may be combined on a half round trip basis
-to form single or double open jaws/round trips/
circle trips.
Provided -
combinations are with any fare for any carrier
with any rule in any public tariff.
11.blackout dates
no blackout dates apply.
12.surcharges
no surcharge requirements apply.
13.accompanied travel
accompanied travel not required.
14.travel restrictions
no travel date restrictions apply.
15.sales restrictions
no sales restrictions apply.
16.penalties
for ticketing on/before 10apr16 ‡
md«
cancellations ‡

any time
charge usd 150.00 for refund.
Note - text below not validated for autopricing.
Child pays full charge - no discount
-----------------------------------------
the above charge does not apply to infant
without a seat.
------------------------------------------
when each half roundtrip or each pricing unit
is governed by its own penalty / the highest
penalty that governs the transatlantic or
transpacific sector applies to the
pricing unit of the ticketed itinerary.
The penalty established for other airline
if any / shall continue to apply for oal
portion of the ticketed fare component.
For ticketing on/after 11apr16 ‡
md«
cancellations ‡

any time
charge usd 200.00 for refund.
Note - text below not validated for autopricing.
Child pays full charge - no discount
-----------------------------------------
the above charge does not apply to infant
without a seat.
------------------------------------------
when each half roundtrip or each pricing unit
is governed by its own penalty / the highest
penalty that governs the transatlantic or
transpacific sector applies to the
pricing unit of the ticketed itinerary.
The penalty established for other airline
if any / shall continue to apply for oal
portion of the ticketed fare component.
For ticketing on/before 10apr16 ‡
changes ‡

any time
changes permitted for reissue/revalidation.
Note - text below not validated for autopricing.
In the event of changes to ticketed flights
before original scheduled flight within ticket
validity
no charge or highest fee of all fare components
and reprice
a. Before journey departure use fare
in effect today
b after journey departure use historical fares
based on travel commencement
the fee established for other airline if
any / shall continue to apply to apply for
oal portion of the ticketed fare component.
-----------------------------------------------
new ticket has equal or higher value than ‡
md«
previous ticket ‡
----------------------------------------------
all provisions of the new fare must be met.
------------------------------------------------
the original non-refundable amount remains
non-refundable and must be carried towards
the new reissued ticket.
-----------------------------------------------
the above change fee is not applicable to infant
without seat
for ticketing on/after 11apr16
changes

any time
changes permitted for reissue/revalidation.
Note - text below not validated for autopricing.
In the event of changes to ticketed flights
before original scheduled flight within ticket
validity ‡
no charge or highest fee of all fare components ‡
and reprice
a. Before journey departure use fare
in effect today
b after journey departure use historical fares
based on travel commencement
---------------------------------
the fee established for other airline if
any / shall continue to apply for
oal portion of the ticketed fare component.
-----------------------------------------------
no credit or partial refund of the residual
amount will be made when the reissued fare ie
/base fare excluding yq/yr is lower than the
previous ticketed fare for change-
reissue/revalidate involving same identical
origin and destination within the same cabin
/z- c- j- u- d-/type fares
---------------------------------------------- ‡
md«
all provisions of the new fare must be met. ‡
------------------------------------------------
the original non-refundable amount remains
non-refundable and must be carried towards
the new reissued ticket.
-----------------------------------------------
the above change fee is not applicable to infant
without seat
changes/cancellations

any time
charge usd 200.00 for no-show.
Note - text below not validated for autopricing.
In the event of changes to ticketed itinerary
after original scheduled flight
a no show fee of usd200 or equivalant amount
in local currency applies to each child / adult.
The above charge does not apply to infant
without a seat. ‡
note - text below not validated for autopricing.
Sq customer commitment -
singapore airlines will allow consumers to cancel
a reservation made using the singapore airlines
web site /www.singaporeair.com/ without penalty
for 24 hours after the reservation is made.
As long as that reservation is made one week
or more prior to a flight/s scheduled departure
------------------------------------
consumers will need to call our contact centre
to cancel such online bookings


note - text below not validated for autopricing.
A usd50 service fee will be charged for ticketing
services provided by singaporeair airlines
staff at the airports / ticket office / or ‡
md«
through singapore airline/s telephone ‡
reservation line.
------
a usd150 servise fee will be charged for
servicing rtw and airpass tickets.
---
fees will be levied for the following tractions
- ticket / mco refund
- new ticket issuance
- ticket re-issuance or revalidation
- singapore stopover holiday hotels
--
the service fee of usd50 or usd150 is
non-refundable
17.hip/mileage exceptions
note -
higher intermediate rule applies.if a domestic
rule this category has no application.
18.ticket endorsements ‡
the original and the reissued ticket must be annotated ‡
- refund fee usd150 - in the endorsement box.
19.children discounts
no discounts for children/infants.
20.tour conductor discounts
no discounts for tour conductors.
21.agent discounts
no discounts for sale agents.
22.all other discounts
no discounts for others.
23.miscellaneous provisions
no provisions apply.
25.fare by rule
originating area 1 -
for ticketing on/after 15sep14
valid for adult psgr.
The fare was calculated as 100 percent of the round-trip
cta fare.
‡
md«
higher intermediate point check may be applied to this ‡
fare.

Apply fare by rule rules to this fare for categories:
50-rule appl 01-eligibility 15-sales restr
19-children disc 20-tour cond disc 21-agent disc
22-all other disc 35-negotiated fares

apply base fare rules to this fare for categories:
02-day/time 03-seasons 04-flight appl
05-adv res/tktg 06-min stay 07-max stay
08-stopovers 09-transfers 10-combinations
11-blackouts 12-surcharges 13-accomp travel
14-travel restr 16-penalties 18-ticket endo
23-misc provisions 26-groups 27-tours
28-visit a country 29-deposits 33-vol rfds
26.groups
no group provisions apply.
27.tours ‡
md«
no tour provisions apply. ‡
28.visit another country
no visit another country provisions apply.
29.deposits
no deposit provisions apply.
31.voluntary changes
enter rd*31 or rd‡line num‡*31 for voluntary chgs.
33.voluntary refunds
check category 16 or contact carrier for details.
35.negotiated fares
tickets must be issued on the stock of sq.
Fares may be viewed/priced/ticketed by rx85.
No commission is allowed.
Place the following information on the auditors and
passenger coupons:
Tour code poo.
Ic.international construction
not a constructed fare

Dakota

Thanks, swaigiux - invaluable! :-:

One thing I cannot see is the ticket validity period. Can anyone confirm? The norm would be 12 months but, if it's the same here, is that from date of booking or first flight?

swaigiux

in my experience it's usually 12 months from date of purchase

ung1

I asked this up thread and the answer someone gave was from the first flight. Which is my case is almost 1 year out.

Dakota

I've seen both before, but can see no reference to it at all in the fare rules swaigiux kindly posted above. Can anyone else? Without it, we can only speculate.