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[PREM FARE GONE] AA DCA-PEK sub-$450 a/i rt in J

Old Mar 17, 2015, 9:24 pm
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American Airlines has sent out a batch of emails offering customers two options. None of which earns miles and does not address DOT's old guidelines.

We have yet to here from DOT.

Here is a copy of the letter:

Thank you for your patience in our responding to your complaint regarding the cancellation of a reservation for travel to China which you placed on hold earlier this year.

The reservation you placed on hold was for an extremely low fare offered by American in error, and the mistaken fare was offered for only a few hours. Because the fare was offered in error, we cancelled those reservations, such as yours, that had been made but not ticketed.

In our view, given the fact that the fares American offered for China travel in those few hours were so low that it was obvious they were offered in error (a fact widely acknowledged in the social media posts which prompted many of those who reserved the fares to do so), we were justified in cancelling those reservations that were made but not ticketed, and accordingly will not honor the fare associated with your cancelled reservation. However, we will offer to you two options for reduced rate travel to China, one for business class and one for coach class. The two options are as follows:

Option A – Business Class: We offer you a $1,500 discount on any roundtrip business cabin fare to Shanghai or Beijing.
  • Reservation must be booked by AA and operated entirely by AA (including AA’s regional partners).
  • Travel may not be upgraded, by upgrade certificate, AAdvantage status, or any other means, to a higher class of service.
  • Travel will not be eligible to earn AAdvantage miles or Elite Qualifying Miles or points, and will not count as Elite Qualifying segments in the AAdvantage program.
  • Travel may be ticketed immediately and must be completed within one year of the date of this letter.
  • Travel to PEK or PVG should originate and end in the same U.S. airport(s) as in the original PNR with the same passenger(s) (or subset of passengers) traveling as were listed in the cancelled PNR.
  • Must be ticketed within six weeks of the date of this letter.

Option B – Main Cabin: We offer you the opportunity to receive a $0 fare basis main cabin fare to Shanghai or Beijing, subject to taxes and fees of approximately $450 (varies slightly by routing)..
  • Reservation must be booked by AA for any Q or O class fare to PEK or PVG, and operated entirely by AA (including AA’s regional partners).
  • Travel may not be upgraded, by upgrade certificate, AAdvantage status, or any other means, to a higher class of service.
  • Travel will not be eligible to earn AAdvantage miles or Elite Qualifying Miles or points, and will not count as Elite Qualifying segments in the AAdvantage program.
  • This offer is subject to Q or O class inventory availability for travel outbound starting November 15, 2015.
  • Travel must be completed within one year of the date of this letter.
  • Travel to PEK or PVG should originate and end in the same U.S. airport(s) as in the original PNR with the same passenger(s) (or subset of passengers) traveling as were listed in the cancelled PNR.
  • Must be ticketed within six weeks of the date of this letter.

If you would like to accept one of these offers, please contact American Airlines at the following number to make your flight reservation.



When and where are you traveling? - edit below

March
27-March-2015 -- 30-March-2015 (NYC)-DCA-ORD-PEK heatheresq FIRST (apparently)!
30-March-2015 -- 02-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK transparent
31-March-2015 -- 03-April-2015 ICN-PEK-ORD-DFW timid_trnchcoat, Y only


April
01-April-2015 -- 05-April-2015 DCA-BOS-ORD-PEK-HKG-DFW-DCA thegrailer
02-April-2015 -- 07-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK Soddon
03-April-2015 -- 07-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK jetsarefast2
03-April-2015 -- 10-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK fly2nrt
04-April-2015 -- 07-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK cocobird
07-April-2015 -- 10-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK/PEK-ORD-DCA DiscoverCSG
07-April-2015 -- 16-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK learingtofly2015

08-April-2015 -- 12-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK IWontRegretThis
09-April-2015 -- 13-April-2015 IAD-DFW-PVG/PVG-LAX-IAD Tblack15 Confirmed 2x EQPs; had no elite status
10-April-2015 -- 13-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK andrewwm

11-April-2015 -- 19-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK thyeri
13-April-2015 -- 16-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK bchips
13-April-2015 -- 16-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK cbuckhouse
Confirmed 2x EQPs; had Platinum status

14-April-2015 -- 22-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA fijaircan
15-April-2015 -- 21-April-2015 IAD-DFW-... elliottishere
16-April-2015 -- 21-April-2015 ...-DFW-PVG elliottishere
22-April-2015 -- 27-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEKChucksterace
22-April-2015 -- 01-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEKtn8
26-April-2015 -- 29-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA MarkP24
26-April-2015 -- 29-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA FriendlySkies
26-April-2015 -- 01-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA miffsc
26-April-2015 -- 01-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA travelsavant
26-April-2015 -- 03-May-2015 IAD-DFW-ORD-PEK-ORD-MIA-IAD Fredd and Mrs. Fredd
27-April-2015 -- 01-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA MsSTL
27-April-2015 -- 01-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCAlakers6902
27-April-2015 -- 05-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK smikih
27-April-2015 -- 06-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA the_happiness_store
29-April-2015 -- 09-May-2015 IAD-DFW-ORD-PEK-DFW-IAD Brituchenite



May
01-May-2015 -- 14-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PVG-ORD-DCA Novemurr+2
06-May-2015 -- 10-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK edbyu +1
07-May-2015 -- 10-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PVG iadp
08-May-2015 -- 11-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK Golfingboy washeelers747 +2
08-May-2015 -- 11-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-DFW-IAD a330300
08-May-2015 -- 12-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA smoneyxc
08-May-2015 -- 12-May-2015 IAD-DFW-... eap
09-May-2015 -- 12-May-2015 ...-DFW-PEK-DFW-IAD eap
09-May-2015 -- 13-May-2015 ...DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA Bonaventure
10-May-2015 -- 16-May-2015 IAD-DFW-PEK Kidorki
11-May-2015 -- 14-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK medichill
12-May-2015 -- 19-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK party_boy
12-May-2015 -- 23-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA rexid
13-May-2015 -- 24-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-DFW-DCA hoosiereph+3
13-May-2015 -- 20-May-2015 IAD-DFW-... travisair
13-May-2015 -- 16-May-2015 IAD-ORD-PEK Long Train Runnin
14-May-2015 -- 17 May-2015 IAD-DFW-PEK Bigguyinpasadena
14-May-2015 -- 20-May-2015 ...-DFW-PEK travisair
14-May-2015 -- 17-May-2015 IAD-DFW-PEK roastpuff
14-May-2015 -- 17-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK Robert
14-May-2015 -- 18-May-2018 DCA-DFW-PEK Cachris69
14-May-2015 -- 17-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PVG iadp
14-May-2015 -- 26-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA AJollyLife (Birthday on the 23rd! )
15-May-2015 -- 18-May-2015 DCA-DFW-HKG-PEK-HKG-DFW-DCA Bonaventure
15-May-2015 -- 18-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK alexj7
15-May-2015 -- 18-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK andrewwm
15-May-2015 -- 18-May-2105 DCA-ORD-PEK-DFW Madone59
16-May-2015 -- 21-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA davidyyz
16-May-2015 -- 19-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK schwimmair
16-May-2015 -- 24-May 2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-DFW-DCA keepssmile
17-May-2015 -- 21-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK tzvilev
17-May-2015 -- 23-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA tommya
17-May-2015 -- 27-May-2015 IAD-DFW-PEK-DFW-IAD krazieman
18-May-2015 -- 21-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA ben1979
18-May-2015 -- 21-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA DS
18-May-2015 -- 22-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA miffsc
19-May-2015 -- 22-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA Bonaventure
19-May-2015 -- 30-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-DFW-DCA transparent
20-May-2015 -- 26-May-2015 IAD-DFW-... elliottishere
20-May-2015 -- 24-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK thepla
20-May-2015 -- 28-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK cvg-aa
21-May-2015 -- 26-May-2015 ...-DFW-PVG elliottishere
21-May-2015 -- 24-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK/PEK-ORD-DCA awaite01
21-May-2015 -- 24-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK/PEK-ORD-DCA smitty06 and shynate
21-May-2015 -- 01-Jun-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA Tobypie
22-May-2015 -- 25-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK tsz
22-May-2015 -- 25-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PVG PaceLaw2012
22-May-2015 -- 25-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK alexj7
22-May-2015 -- 25-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK onfo
22-May-2015 -- 27-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD ghzhammer
23-May-2015 -- 26-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK jetsarefast2
23-May-2015 -- 31-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA bqkali
23-May-2015 -- 31-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA blootch
23-May-2015 -- 31-May-2015 IAD-DFW-PEK-DFW-IAD FlyingChuck
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24-May-2015 -- 28-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK Bikeguy+1
24-May-2015 -- 28-May-2015 DCA-DFW-... Server
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25-May-2015 -- 28-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA ben1979
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27-May-2015 -- 01-Jun-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-DFW-DCA platinumTA
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[PREM FARE GONE] AA DCA-PEK sub-$450 a/i rt in J

Old Mar 27, 2015, 5:26 am
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Originally Posted by uptwn132
...I see the guaranteed hold as a contract and because the DOT has said airlines must honor mistake fares then AA can't use the fact that its a mistake fare as a reason to cancel what they themselves have said was a guaranteed hold.
Exactly - and who is to say which tickets on hold AA might decide it doesn't want to call a mistake and unilaterally decide not to honor in the future?

Originally Posted by davie355
If I cancel only the last segment will I earn miles on the flown segments, i.e., DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD?
The airline can't force your butt into a seat. It wuld be a shame if you missed your connection but you will earn miles for the segments you fly.
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 5:27 am
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Originally Posted by Mauibaby2008
You cannot cancel the last leg.
Yes - but if you take a long time cnnecting you could miss it.
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 5:38 am
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Originally Posted by davie355
If I cancel only the last segment will I earn miles on the flown segments, i.e., DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD?

As I don't live in DCA, I would prefer to fly ORD-home instead of ORD-DCA-home.
+1

You don't cancel, you just don't fly this leg. Make sure you don't have any checked baggage 'cause it won't miss the last leg. My experience is you still receive credit for the flown miles.
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 5:52 am
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Originally Posted by davie355
If I cancel only the last segment will I earn miles on the flown segments, i.e., DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD?

As I don't live in DCA, I would prefer to fly ORD-home instead of ORD-DCA-home.
Don't book your flight home on american at the same time you are supposed to be on your last leg.
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 8:23 am
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Originally Posted by medichill
Make sure you don't have any checked baggage 'cause it won't miss the last leg.
Won't customs be in ORD, and it will only get onto the next flight if you drop it at the recheck desk?
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 9:50 am
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Originally Posted by sbrower
Won't customs be in ORD, and it will only get onto the next flight if you drop it at the recheck desk?
Yes.
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 10:17 am
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Originally Posted by sbrower
Won't customs be in ORD, and it will only get onto the next flight if you drop it at the recheck desk?
My bad. Was thinking about standard hidden city stuff.
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 1:42 pm
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Originally Posted by cmd320
Why? Nowhere in the regulation does it say that the hold has to be applied for 24 hours, unless there's a pricing error. A hold is a hold, whether there is an error or not. You're looking at this from the airline's perspective when you should be looking at it from the consumer's perspective, as that is the group the rule was designed to protect. The consumer doesn't know if there is a pricing error or not, nor should the consumer care. It's the airline's job to determine what fares to publish, and when a mistake is made, it's their job to deal with it.

A required 24 hour hold is just that, required. A pricing error is irrelevant to that rule.

I totally agree with you. This is the same argument I made in my DOT complaint and frankly, I don't see how this is not going to win the day. Besides the people who ticketed their reservations right away, there have been reports of people who put itineraries on hold and were able to call and ticket. So why did they tell me no when I called? This is a very arbitrary application of the rules. Also I noticed these complaints gets added to complaints against the airlines. If you don't understand the meaning of the word guaranteed don't use it. Also if you read this they are making enough money.
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 3:27 pm
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Originally Posted by smitty06
Don't book your flight home on american at the same time you are supposed to be on your last leg.
So my return is via DFW and I'm headed to AUS. Annoyingly, AA is the only sane choice there (connections cost more than 2x)...had I thought this through I would have returned via ORD where I can get a direct on UA, but you all know how the booking frenzy goes...

However, I can squeeze in a cheapo in DFW-AUS to completely fit into the 3:20 DFW layover, so aa.com doesn't flag a conflict. Am I just asking for trouble?

Going to DCA and back means an extra hotel night and another day off work, so that's not ideal. What we need is a schedule change that would allow some minor flight adjustments...
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 3:36 pm
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Originally Posted by paranoiatx
So my return is via DFW and I'm headed to AUS. Annoyingly, AA is the only sane choice there (connections cost more than 2x)...had I thought this through I would have returned via ORD where I can get a direct on UA, but you all know how the booking frenzy goes...

However, I can squeeze in a cheapo in DFW-AUS to completely fit into the 3:20 DFW layover, so aa.com doesn't flag a conflict. Am I just asking for trouble?

Going to DCA and back means an extra hotel night and another day off work, so that's not ideal. What we need is a schedule change that would allow some minor flight adjustments...
Standard recommendation is that it is ok to book, but definitely don't put in your AA frequent flyer number. If possible, use a different credit card with someone else's billing address. If possible, use a variation of your name. I.e. add a middle name/initial (or remove it if you used one for your China flight).
Good luck, and report back your success...

I'm flying home via Spirit DFW - DTW myself. I would consider DCA-DTW, but the DFW-DCA flight is next morning, so I would be stuck with spending the evening in DFW... I'm already spending a whole saturday in DC (rental car and Marriott on points) to position. My DCA-ORD first leg was simply too early to find a cheap positioning flight. The saturday flight is on USair and only 4500 BA miles. Marriott point for the hotel is only 7500 points. The rental car $38 for the day.
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 4:06 pm
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Originally Posted by sbrower
I know we are not going to agree, but I will try one more time anyway.

If the DOT didn't have what I am calling Rule B (saying that airlines must honor all fares, even including [most] mistake fares, once the customer pays in full), then the airlines would honor far fewer mistake fares, even if they had already been ticketed. (Witness some recent mistake fares which have not been honored, even when fully paid, and many more prior to the implementation of Rule B.)

What AA is saying is "we would like to cancel all of these tickets, the ones on hold AND the ones which were paid, because they were mistake fares, but since Rule B covers the ones which were paid, we are going to let those people take advantage of us, but we will not extend that protection to people who aren't covered by Rule B."

Remember, none of us who book thousands of real tickets are worried that the 24 hold is being eroded, because it isn't. Rather, people are trying to use Rule A (24 hour hold) to take advantage of Rule B (you can't cancel mistake fares once they have been paid for).
"Rule A" says that the airlines either have to have 24-hour free cancellation -or- a free 24 hour hold at the quoted price. AA broke this rule, because it did not offer a free 24-hour hold at the quoted price.

NO ONE is trying to take advantage of your "Rule B" or suggest that it applies here. "Rule B" is completely irrelevant. It only applies when the fare has been paid in full. It has zero bearing whatsoever on the holds in this case and I don't understand why you keep insisting that it has any bearing whatsoever here.

Rule A, intrinsically and prima facie, contains a requirement not to change the quoted price for 24 hours. All that is left is for DOT to rule whether airlines are allowed to break Rule A by claiming a mistake fare.
Originally Posted by sbrower
And no one here has answered the question "how should the 'on hold' people be treated, even if the DOT were to rule in their favor, such that they aren't BETTER OFF than the people who paid?"
The reason no one has answered your question is because it's stupid. There is really no basis for your assumption/assertion that people who placed a hold, and got screwed over when AA broke DOT regs, can't end up getting a slightly better deal in the end. Have you ever heard the term 'punitive damages'? It's a fairly common legal doctrine.

I feel sorry for anyone who had a ticket on hold, and if they fight AA and end up with better ticket than I got, it's no skin off my nose. They will have had enough stress and anxiety to offset any incremental benefit they receive. And if AA loses more money reinstating the hold tickets, that's AA's problem. They could have just honored the mandated hold in the first place.

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Old Mar 27, 2015, 7:25 pm
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Originally Posted by janetdoe
"Rule A" says that the airlines either have to have 24-hour free cancellation -or- a free 24 hour hold at the quoted price. AA broke this rule, because it did not offer a free 24-hour hold at the quoted price.

NO ONE is trying to take advantage of your "Rule B" or suggest that it applies here. "Rule B" is completely irrelevant. It only applies when the fare has been paid in full. It has zero bearing whatsoever on the holds in this case and I don't understand why you keep insisting that it has any bearing whatsoever here.
The reason why Rule B is relevant, and not Rule A, is because without Rule B AA could (would?) have cancelled all the tickets, including the ones which had been paid in full.

I still predict that the result here will be, eventually, that the DOT will modify/drop Rule B because instead of protecting legitimate consumers the ONLY use of Rule B has been to force airlines to honor mistake fares. (It doesn't matter if someone argues "maybe they were promotional, not mistake" because the DOT people know that they were actually mistake fares.) At some point they are going to be upset that they are wasting their time on the wrong stuff.
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 8:57 pm
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Is anyone familiar with the DOT's docketing procedures or willingness to consider amicus submissions?
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 10:41 pm
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Originally Posted by sbrower
The reason why Rule B is relevant, and not Rule A, is because without Rule B AA could (would?) have cancelled all the tickets, including the ones which had been paid in full.
So what? If Rule B wasn't in place and AA canceled all tickets and holds, AA still would have broken Rule A by not providing a free hold (i.e. the ability to buy) at the quoted price for 24 hours.

If Rule A existed and Rule B didn't, the people who had an issued ticket could sue in small claims court, like they did before the DOT regs. People who had a hold could purchase the ticket, AA could issue it in compliance with Rule A, then cancel it. Then the people who held their tickets would have the same basis to sue in SCC (i.e. breach of contract, issued ticket was canceled) as the people who ticketed without holds in the first place.

Allowing people to purchase at the quoted price for 24 hours is completely separate from the issue of post-purchase protections. Period.

Originally Posted by rafatmit
Is anyone familiar with the DOT's docketing procedures or willingness to consider amicus submissions?
I'm not sure about docketing, but anyone can submit 'comments' or 'complaints' against any airline. I'm not sure under what circumstances the airline is required to address or reply to comments versus complaints.

Originally Posted by paranoiatx
So my return is via DFW and I'm headed to AUS. Annoyingly, AA is the only sane choice there (connections cost more than 2x)...had I thought this through I would have returned via ORD where I can get a direct on UA, but you all know how the booking frenzy goes...

However, I can squeeze in a cheapo in DFW-AUS to completely fit into the 3:20 DFW layover, so aa.com doesn't flag a conflict. Am I just asking for trouble?

Going to DCA and back means an extra hotel night and another day off work, so that's not ideal. What we need is a schedule change that would allow some minor flight adjustments...
How much is a one-way rental car? It would be quicker than flying anyways.

I'm also guessing if you buy a 4500 Avios ticket that has your BA number on it, AA would have trouble flagging or canceling it as a conflict with your DFW-DCA.

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Old Mar 27, 2015, 11:11 pm
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Well, I took AA 187 yesterday the 26th, ORD to PEK, and other than a 2 hour mechanical delay everything went well.

-I was originally booked on the early 9 AM departure out of DCA, figured I wanted to get more sleep and have shorter connection and was able to do same day flight change online with a few clicks.
-Upgrade to First was offered online for 700 dollars. Obviously, not worth it in my opinion.
-Out of DCA, the agent who checked me in was not aware of the 72 hour transit allowance so, just smiled and patiently waited for him while he did his research.
-I must say the lunch flight to ORD had fantastic crew and service. For less than 2 hour flight, this segment was memorable with edible lunch, nice red wine, and very attentive service.
-Flagship lounge (since I am an EXP) at ORD was alright, with passable hummus/sushi/prawn appetizers and sandwhiches.
-Excellent service and food on the long haul. Yes, the angled seats are not the best, but I was able to get 7 hours of sleep, so definitely survivable.

Needless to say, this is a wonderful, wonderful, deal ^
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