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[PREM FARE GONE] UA: NCL-EWR 600 DKK (mistaken fare) DOT ruled; see wiki for link

Old Feb 11, 15, 11:49 am
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DOT Investigation UpdatesNews Media Updates:

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According to USA Today, Ben Mutzabaugh:
United is voiding the bookings of several thousand individuals who were attempting to take advantage of an error a third-party software provider made when it applied an incorrect currency exchange rate, despite United having properly filed its fares. Most of these bookings were for travel originating in the United Kingdom, and the level of bookings made with Danish Kroner as the local currency was significantly higher than normal during the limited period that customers made these bookings.
Note that United has also accidentally cancelled "legitimate" tickets paid for in USD, purchased in USD from LHR... Please check your other tickets if purchased today to ensure they were not unilaterally cancelled.

However, there is no chance at all that you can have your tickets re-instated if you complain to DOT on the basis of DOT rule 399.88:
399.88 Prohibition on post-purchase price increase.

(a) It is an unfair and deceptive practice within the meaning of 49 U.S.C. 41712 for any seller of scheduled air transportation within, to or from the United States, or of a tour (i.e., a combination of air transportation and ground or cruise accommodations), or tour component (e.g., a hotel stay) that includes scheduled air transportation within, to or from the United States, to increase the price of that air transportation, tour or tour component to a consumer, including but not limited to an increase in the price of the seat, an increase in the price for the carriage of passenger baggage, or an increase in an applicable fuel surcharge, after the air transportation has been purchased by the consumer, except in the case of an increase in a government-imposed tax or fee. A purchase is deemed to have occurred when the full amount agreed upon has been paid by the consumer.
Form for filing DOT complaint. File complaint as soon as your ticket is cancelled.

Link to PDF of enforcement bodies for European customers affected. File complaint as soon as your ticket is cancelled.


Tips for DOT Complaint:
  • File on DOT for every ticket number affected.
  • If you have one reservation with four people traveling (four tickets) file 4 DOT complaints, one per ticket.
  • If you have separate reservations, file a DOT complaint for each.
  • The DOT complaint website may take several minutes to load, depending on demand.
  • When you go to upload a file, be careful as it will reset all your radio buttons. So, if you want a copy of the complaint, make sure you double check that "Yes" is still selected before submitting, especially if you upload a file.

Template For Complaint:
United has unilaterally cancelled my ticket without my consent.

Facts:
1. The ticket was ticketed (had a ticket number).
2. I received a confirmation number, ticket number, and emails stating both
3. The ticket was paid for and my credit card charged.

United must reinstate the ticket within its original cabin. This trip is for travel TO the United States.

At no time during the booking process was any other fare than the Danish Krone equivalent displayed. As a reasonable, prudent consumer, I believed I was paying the price displayed to me on the website. United never sent or displayed the equivalent fare in any other currency.

Trip Details
Ticket #: 016XXXXXXXXXX
PNR: XXXXXX
Routing: LHR-EWR-LAX-HNL

Attachments: Attached is a document showing the ticket, routing, and providing proof that the reservation was ticketed.

Filename: Cancelled - UA Reservation - LHR-EWR-LAX-HNL - XXXXXX - 016XXXXXXXXXX.pdf

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| Relevant Law |
| http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/399.88 |
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399.88 Prohibition on post-purchase price increase.

(a) It is an unfair and deceptive practice within the meaning of 49 U.S.C. 41712 for any seller of scheduled air transportation within, to or from the United States, or of a tour (i.e., a combination of air transportation and ground or cruise accommodations), or tour component (e.g., a hotel stay) that includes scheduled air transportation within, to or from the United States, to increase the price of that air transportation, tour or tour component to a consumer, including but not limited to an increase in the price of the seat, an increase in the price for the carriage of passenger baggage, or an increase in an applicable fuel surcharge, after the air transportation has been purchased by the consumer, except in the case of an increase in a government-imposed tax or fee. A purchase is deemed to have occurred when the full amount agreed upon has been paid by the consumer.

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| Relevant FAQ |
| http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/rules/EAPP_2_FAQ.pdf |
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Does the prohibition on post-purchase price increases in section 399.88(a) apply in the situation where a carrier mistakenly offers an airfare due to a computer problem or human error and a consumer purchases the ticket at that fare before the carrier is able to fix the mistake?

Section 399.88(a) states that it is an unfair and deceptive practice for any seller of scheduled air transportation within, to, or from the United States, or of a tour or tour component that includes scheduled air transportation within, to, or from the United States, to increase the price of that air transportation to a consumer after the air transportation has been purchased by the consumer, except in the case of a government-imposed tax or fee and only if the passenger is advised of a possible increase before purchasing a ticket. A purchase occurs when the full amount agreed upon has been paid by the consumer. Therefore, if a consumer purchases a fare and that consumer receives confirmation (such as a confirmation email and/or the purchase appears on their credit card statement or online account summary) of their purchase, then the seller of air transportation cannot increase the price of that air transportation to that consumer, even when the fare is a mistake.
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Tips for retrieving your ticket number:
  1. paste(right click copy link location first) following link into your web browser
  2. change XXXXXX next to COPNR= for your reservation number and LASTNAME next to LN= for you SURNAME
  3. go to the webpage address you have just created

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...NRCD=2/11/2015


Originally Posted by MatthewLAX
Originally Posted by MatthewLAX View Post
R E L A X

Breathe deep.

Congrats on all who got in.

Now comes the fun part.

1. Discovery - mistake fare is posted on FT. Novices frantically checks how much vacation time they have and if the dates of availability mesh with their schedules. Experienced FTers just book it and worry about contacting spouses or their boss later. Word spreads like wildfire.

2. Excitement - Tickets purchased, confirmation emails received and dates of travel shared with other FTers. Discussions of what to see and do and where to stay crop up in other threads. Novices contact source to change seats or inquire about upgrades, Seasoned FTers sit back and enjoy reading the discussion threads.

3. Stress Stage 1 - Concern over paper ticket delivery - Novices Frantically check otheFedEx website every few hours, constant monitoring of driveway for FedEx truck. Seasoned FT veterans sit back and relax.

4. Glee and happiness - Paper tickets in hand, vacation request submitted, spouses finally informed, hotel reservations made and bragging to friends and co-workers begins. Both novices and experts get very excited.

5. Stress Stage 2 - Rumors of fare not being honored, discussion threads about the airline and ticketing agency ensue. Rumors crop up like crabgrass at this stage. Many FTers begin to worry excessively about whether or not the trip will happen. Novices make non-refundable and financial committments to their trip. Seasoned FTers make mixed drinks (and maybe a sandwich) and is patient.

6. Reality Check - Accurate information is obtained - usually takes place a week to 10 days after mistake fare is published. Confirmed information from the source as to whether or not tickets will be honored.

7a. Pure Joy (Icelandair style- Fare is Honored) - Lots of happy people, FT threads on shared information regarding hotels, restaurants, tours, etc. Jealousy from others sets in. First "FT guinea pigs" embark, post confirmation threads that all is ok.


7b Hostile Feelings (Copa Airlines Style - fare is not honored) - Many angry and disappointed FTers. Refunds are issued. Novices have multiple discussion threads of lawsuits and hostile correspondence, FT pros mutter "c'est la vie" and look for the next fare mistake.

8a Success (Honored) - Trip Report thread becomes very active


Freedom of Information Act Request
File #2015-147, Office of the Secretary of Transportation - Receipt acknowledged 3/13/15

http://www.dot.gov/individuals/foia/office-secretary-foia-information

Relevant excerpt from my request on 2/24/15. There no need for multiple requests for the same thing, though feel free to request more or different information obviously. I'll post any updates as I get them.

"Under the Freedom of Information Act, 5 U.S. C. subsection 552, I am requesting access to any and all records of correspondence, including electronic, between anyone working for, or on the behalf of, United Airlines and its subsidiaries, and with anyone working for, or on the behalf of, the Department of Transportation; specifically this would include only the date range beginning on February 11th, 2015 through and including February 24th, 2015.

In addition, I am requesting access to any and all internal records and correspondence in relation to coming to the decision made on February 23rd, 2015 regarding the Office of Aviation Enforcement and Proceedings Determination Regarding United Airlines Mistaken Fare, with the exception of any of the consumer submitted complaints via phone, email, website, or letter. Specifically, this would be any records beginning on February 11th, 2015 through and including February 24th, 2015."
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[PREM FARE GONE] UA: NCL-EWR 600 DKK (mistaken fare) DOT ruled; see wiki for link

Old Feb 11, 15, 3:30 pm
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Btw: Money has left my account, so the transaction is complete. I paid with a debit card because the payment normally is processed faster that way.
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Old Feb 11, 15, 3:31 pm
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Originally Posted by Tsun
Yes, but the problem is that there's no later flight that day - I would have to stay for a night in Houston, which I would rather avoid. Changing my tickets to an earlier flight from London would save both me and UA the trouble, but are they going to comply?
Mate...you booked a tight connection. Either you'll make it or you won't.

Try calling a few days before departure, maybe they'll make a change, maybe they won't. If they don't, raise the issue again when you check in. Maybe they'll help you, maybe not. Worst case you spend a night at an airport hotel.

If this works, you got a sweetheart deal. Don't spend your or our time worrying about your connection time.
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Old Feb 11, 15, 3:31 pm
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Originally Posted by vforni
Likewise, same time. Doubt I'll get in at this point
I booked right before both of y'all and I've got all my stuff confirmed (UA, LH, LX). My seat for every flight is already picked
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Old Feb 11, 15, 3:32 pm
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*united says it won't honor tickets purchased on computer flaw

*united says it won't honor tickets purchased on computer flaw
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Old Feb 11, 15, 3:32 pm
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Originally Posted by kburges
still have not received a ticket only email stating below with confirmation number

We are processing your reservation and will send you a confirmation email once this is completed. This process usually takes less than an hour; however, in rare cases it could take longer.


This was at 0830 so maybe does not look good for me.
Did you check on the UA site?
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Old Feb 11, 15, 3:32 pm
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bloomberg

per bloomberg:
United Says It Wont Honor Tickets Purchased on Computer Flaw
By Michael Sasso
(Bloomberg) -- United says several thousand individuals exploited fare glitch, spokesman Rahsaan Johnson says in e-mailed statement.
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Old Feb 11, 15, 3:33 pm
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Originally Posted by oreozp
Damn, I wish I had gone for the LH itineraries for not that much more Kroner.

Follow-up question--has anyone had an itinerary that said "confirmed but not ticketed", that was then ticketed?
My one booking that had a LH flight is still waiting for ticketing while the UA flights ticketed almost immediatly :-(.
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Originally Posted by MarylandFlyer244
I booked right before both of y'all and I've got all my stuff confirmed (UA, LH, LX). My seat for every flight is already picked
can you bring up the itinerary on the LX site?
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[PREM FARE GONE] UA: NCL-EWR 600 DKK (mistaken fare)

So happy the way today worked out. Thanks guy. I did only get my and my SO a RT LHR to SFO in first and business - I'm ok with it. Wish I wasn't on my way to work or I would have got a bunch more;-)
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Old Feb 11, 15, 3:33 pm
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Trying to keep up with this thread at work is causing me to get nothing done at work. This is a fast moving thread
Same thing for me, this is crazy.
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Old Feb 11, 15, 3:34 pm
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*united spokesman rahsaan johnson comments on glitch in e-mail
*united: Fares filed properly despite errors from vendor
*united says it won't honor tickets purchased on computer flaw
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Old Feb 11, 15, 3:35 pm
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Originally Posted by deissi
Having read through some 60 pages of the thread, no one else has (maybe one person) received a second email, and nor have I. However, on UA's website, above the flight details, you should have a text saying something like:

"This reservation was ticketed and confirmed on Wed., Feb. 11, 2015 at X:XX a.m. Central Time."
Good point, though you can request a confirmation e-ticket from the "manage my reservations" page on the UA website.
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Originally Posted by jkenter
*united spokesman rahsaan johnson comments on glitch in e-mail
*united: Fares filed properly despite errors from vendor
*united says it won't honor tickets purchased on computer flaw
Where did you see this?
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Originally Posted by jkenter
*united spokesman rahsaan johnson comments on glitch in e-mail
*united: Fares filed properly despite errors from vendor
*united says it won't honor tickets purchased on computer flaw
Uhm..... .....

Now what?
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Originally Posted by jkenter
per bloomberg:
United Says It Wont Honor Tickets Purchased on Computer Flaw
By Michael Sasso
(Bloomberg) -- United says several thousand individuals exploited fare glitch, spokesman Rahsaan Johnson says in e-mailed statement.
Originally Posted by jkenter
*united spokesman rahsaan johnson comments on glitch in e-mail
*united: Fares filed properly despite errors from vendor
*united says it won't honor tickets purchased on computer flaw
Links to sources are appreciated when you post things like this.
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