[PREM FARE GONE] EY: CMB-DFW $1440 ai RT in First!
Feb 11, 2014, 9:24 am
#1186
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Well, just a minute. How do you distinguish this from, say, certain fare buckets in Y which only accumulate 30% or 50% of the BIS miles? Couldn't EY just take the position that this was not a regular, full F fare and thus doesn't attract the regular F bennies, just as the Y fares I just mentioned don't attract all the full fare Y bennies? Sure, just as with the discounted Y fares, you get to sit in the same cabin and enjoy the same inflight service, but other bennies (full mileage, for example) are not part of this fare. This may or not be a successful argument/position for EY, but it's not, on its face, absurd.
This is an unrestricted fare booked in F class. All conditions of unrestricted F class fares must apply.
Feb 11, 2014, 9:30 am
#1187
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Just to keep the discussion constructive... Can we at least be honest among ourselves here? We'll all argue (to EY, DOT, ...) that we couldn't have known at the time of booking, etc, etc,... but please - This is FT
Feb 11, 2014, 9:53 am
#1188
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Exactly. And the same conversation is going on over in the QR mistake fare thread. We knew. Fortunately, the DOT regs supersede the common law of contract in cases like this, and we don't have to deal with the issue of unilateral mistake. If we did, I'm quite certain that we'd lose.
Feb 11, 2014, 10:46 am
#1189
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Amazing how much money Swiss is throwing at counsel for this case.
It seems their petition to the Governor in council was also supported by Ensight Canada.
https://ocl-cal.gc.ca/app/secure/orl...6®Id=798671
https://ocl-cal.gc.ca/app/secure/orl...tNumber=326126
It seems their petition to the Governor in council was also supported by Ensight Canada.
https://ocl-cal.gc.ca/app/secure/orl...6®Id=798671
https://ocl-cal.gc.ca/app/secure/orl...tNumber=326126
Feb 11, 2014, 10:54 am
#1190
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From the references below:
Who is being lobbied?
Government Institutions
House of Commons
Industry Canada (IC)
Prime Minister's Office (PMO)
Transport Canada (TC)
Who is being lobbied?
Government Institutions
House of Commons
Industry Canada (IC)
Prime Minister's Office (PMO)
Transport Canada (TC)
Amazing how much money Swiss is throwing at counsel for this case.
It seems their petition to the Governor in council was also supported by Ensight Canada.
https://ocl-cal.gc.ca/app/secure/orl...6®Id=798671
https://ocl-cal.gc.ca/app/secure/orl...tNumber=326126
It seems their petition to the Governor in council was also supported by Ensight Canada.
https://ocl-cal.gc.ca/app/secure/orl...6®Id=798671
https://ocl-cal.gc.ca/app/secure/orl...tNumber=326126
Feb 11, 2014, 11:16 am
#1191
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I hate to be the contrarian and possibly throw fuel on the fire, but my tickets (neither mine nor my friend's) do not have this aforementioned notation. And before I get flamed, I am the TA that issued the tickets and I am looking directly in Sabre.
Just wanted to share a anomalous data point.
Just wanted to share a anomalous data point.
The comments certainly didn't come through to Amadeus, as they should have if it was the sort of comment that a TA can see.Exactly. And the same conversation is going on over in the QR mistake fare thread. We knew. Fortunately, the DOT regs supersede the common law of contract in cases like this, and we don't have to deal with the issue of unilateral mistake. If we did, I'm quite certain that we'd lose.
Feb 11, 2014, 11:35 am
#1192
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I'll be honest. It was NOT clear to me that this was a mistake fare. As I was searching for CMB-DFW in C on Matrix, EY was priced at $970, while a host of other airlines were priced - in C - at just over $2k. 50%+ fare sales happen all the time. I knew $970 was a good deal - possibly a mistake fare - but it wasn't $0 + tax type of deal that's too good to be true.
Feb 11, 2014, 11:36 am
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Amazing how much money Swiss is throwing at counsel for this case.
It seems their petition to the Governor in council was also supported by Ensight Canada.
https://ocl-cal.gc.ca/app/secure/orl...6®Id=798671
https://ocl-cal.gc.ca/app/secure/orl...tNumber=326126
It seems their petition to the Governor in council was also supported by Ensight Canada.
https://ocl-cal.gc.ca/app/secure/orl...6®Id=798671
https://ocl-cal.gc.ca/app/secure/orl...tNumber=326126
Anyone else feels like LX is the black knight from Monty Python? It’s just a flesh wound and still continues to try to fight.
I understand the principle basis, but hiring lobbyist? They must be at over 500k in legal fees, if not much more. Oh well, keep on spending the cash…
Disclaimer: Dear LX lawyers, since you are already charging LX for reading this post, I suggest you watch the fully Monty Python sketch that I am referencing in this post to properly document the statement, and don’t forget to charge at least 1/10 or 2/10 of an hour for the service.
Feb 11, 2014, 11:39 am
#1194
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Discussion whether the fare was mistake or not is bit artificial. We were alerted of a good fare with favorable conditions, such as ability to refund, and decided to buy it. And some of us bought in, to be in, take part in the fun. Popcorn or not, heavy moralizing, sours that fun. Etihad got a lot of free publicity, and it seems they do not realize how to handle it.
Feb 11, 2014, 11:52 am
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guys, I've said it before and I'll say it again, call it what you want, but let's say it was a mistake. It doesn't matter, "mistakes" are covered by 399.88, which would have to apply here since these tickets are TO the US or in the case of RT, TO & FROM the US. That's what it comes down to...
Feb 11, 2014, 4:47 pm
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Not trying to rudely out birdy, but I get the feeling birdy works directly for Sabre and can see anyone's PNRs, regardless of security. I'm sure the security settings on the EY comments were set so that only EY can see, not the TA. The comments certainly didn't come through to Amadeus, as they should have if it was the sort of comment that a TA can see.
The comments certainly didn't come through to Amadeus, as they should have if it was the sort of comment that a TA can see.
Feb 11, 2014, 4:53 pm
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Feb 11, 2014, 5:02 pm
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Feb 11, 2014, 5:15 pm
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Feb 11, 2014, 6:43 pm
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