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Confirm your Tickets
MH and Cheaptickets are canceling these reservations. DO NOT ACCEPT a refund and they will rebook you.
As reported by JCM9608 it appears that some of these tickets or segments may be getting canceled. If your itinerary pops up on the flymas.mobi site then you're probably okay. If not, call cheapticekts and speak with them. They must honor the ticket, so don't take "No" or "We'll send you a refund" as an answer. You may need to speak to a manager / supervisor.
Multiple reports in this thread indicate that cheaptickets/MH will book you on a flight combination (possibly with a connection in NRT) if you push and don't accept a refund.
Booking
It has been reported that this books at Cheaptickets and Orbitz. Having problems viewing your ticket? Visit the FlyMAS Mobile Site and enter your information.
Routing
This fare appears to be eligable for End-on-End construction, so it should be possible to book cheap(ish) AA or US fares and tack them onto the ticket. In order to get to and from SFO.
Mileage Accrual
This fare is a Malaysian (MH) codeshare on Cathay (CX) metal.
Cathay: No mileage accrual
Malaysian: 70% mileage accrual
American: 50% mileage accrual
US Airways: 50% mileage accrual
And remember, DON'T CALL THE AIRLINES while a deal is ongoing.
MH and Cheaptickets are canceling these reservations. DO NOT ACCEPT a refund and they will rebook you.
As reported by JCM9608 it appears that some of these tickets or segments may be getting canceled. If your itinerary pops up on the flymas.mobi site then you're probably okay. If not, call cheapticekts and speak with them. They must honor the ticket, so don't take "No" or "We'll send you a refund" as an answer. You may need to speak to a manager / supervisor.
Multiple reports in this thread indicate that cheaptickets/MH will book you on a flight combination (possibly with a connection in NRT) if you push and don't accept a refund.
Booking
It has been reported that this books at Cheaptickets and Orbitz. Having problems viewing your ticket? Visit the FlyMAS Mobile Site and enter your information.
Routing
This fare appears to be eligable for End-on-End construction, so it should be possible to book cheap(ish) AA or US fares and tack them onto the ticket. In order to get to and from SFO.
Mileage Accrual
This fare is a Malaysian (MH) codeshare on Cathay (CX) metal.
Cathay: No mileage accrual
Malaysian: 70% mileage accrual
American: 50% mileage accrual
US Airways: 50% mileage accrual
And remember, DON'T CALL THE AIRLINES while a deal is ongoing.
[DEAL GONE] CX/MH: SFO - HKG $532.60 rt
#151
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 10
I checked my credit card statement today and it looks like MH secretly removed the transaction or something...the payment stayed as "pending" for three days and now has completely disappeared. I did file a DoT complaint and perhaps MH did it in response to the complaint to get off the hook. In the whole course I never received any communications from MH and was unable to get a live person from cheaptickets. Bad experience.
#152
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 10
It's not true that everyone knew this was a mistake. I first found this fare on itamatrix and genuinely thought this was some kind of promotion by MH to introduce a new route. I scrambled to book it because I thought it would be gone soon due to popular demand, not pricing error. In fact pricing error never crossed my mind because this wasn't even that great of a deal to begin with (probably just $200 less than regular fare on other airlines with one stop). I don't think the way I'm treated by MH is fair at all.
I have to agree with in2it54 here. Regardless of what some choose to say, I think everyone knew this was a mistake, these are mostly for tickets far in the future, and the cancellations happened quite quickly, not weeks or months after booking. It's also not a case of MH mis-pricing their own flight, where you could argue that they're only incurring the marginal cost of carrying you if the flight otherwise wouldn't have been full. Here, they mis-priced another carrier's flight that they don't even have a codeshare on and honoring it would essentially require them or cheaptickets to buy you tickets on CX.
With 24-hour holds or cancellation rights for consumers now, 24-hour voids for travel agents, and personal experiences where airlines and hotels have allowed me to change or cancel non-refundable travel when I've quickly realized I made a mistake, I think it's a bit unfair of us to not allow MH the same courtesy. MH also allowed all customers to cancel any tickets, even if they were non-refundable, if they didn't feel comfortable flying MH after MH17 was shot down. I love a great travel deal as much as anyone, but regardless of DoT regulations, I think there's a strong ethical argument to let MH off the hook here.
With 24-hour holds or cancellation rights for consumers now, 24-hour voids for travel agents, and personal experiences where airlines and hotels have allowed me to change or cancel non-refundable travel when I've quickly realized I made a mistake, I think it's a bit unfair of us to not allow MH the same courtesy. MH also allowed all customers to cancel any tickets, even if they were non-refundable, if they didn't feel comfortable flying MH after MH17 was shot down. I love a great travel deal as much as anyone, but regardless of DoT regulations, I think there's a strong ethical argument to let MH off the hook here.
#153
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: NYC
Programs: QF LTG
Posts: 1,200
This fare is hardly an obvious pricing error. I have seen other airlines price this (or very similar West Coast to Asia) routes at around $650 before and those are full mileage earning fares. A $550 fare that doesn't credit 100% to most programs is hardly a majorly obvious pricing error.
#154
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 3,570
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Anyone who thinks 532-562 west coast to hkg is a clear mistake price needs to put down the bottle. This is a 0-50% mileage earning fare that is, as stated, about 100-200 less than other normal "good fares". I paid 590 last time i went to hkg. This is HARDLY a mistake and arguing it was "clear" is ludicrous. No one owes mh or cheap tickets or anyone to be "let off the hook" when you offer, sell, charge and issue confirmations and ticket numbers and then try and cancel a week later.
Anyone who thinks 532-562 west coast to hkg is a clear mistake price needs to put down the bottle. This is a 0-50% mileage earning fare that is, as stated, about 100-200 less than other normal "good fares". I paid 590 last time i went to hkg. This is HARDLY a mistake and arguing it was "clear" is ludicrous. No one owes mh or cheap tickets or anyone to be "let off the hook" when you offer, sell, charge and issue confirmations and ticket numbers and then try and cancel a week later.
#155
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 20
This was the DOT response I received this morning:
"Dear Mr. Lee
Thank you for your correspondence regarding the reservation you made with Cheaptickets for travel on Malaysia Airlines.
We are investigating the circumstances you described. If you have evidence that your credit card was charged, please send us this information as soon as possible. Please note that an itinerary or "confirmation for reservation" is not evidence that your credit card was charged.
We will forward your complaint to the airline and will ask the company to respond directly to you. If you need to contact our analyst assigned to your case, you may leave a telephone message on our Aviation Consumer line at 202-366-2220 or respond back to this email. Please include your name and case number (see above). We will make every effort to reply to your message within one business day.
We have entered your complaint in our computerized industry monitoring system, and it will be counted among the number of complaints filed against this airline in our monthly Air Travel Consumer Report. This report allows consumers and air travel companies to compare the complaint records of individual airlines and tour operators. The data in this report also serve as a basis for rulemaking, legislation and research. Consumer information for air travelers, including the Air Travel Consumer Report and our pamphlet Fly-Rights, a Consumer's Guide to Air Travel, can be found on our website, www.dot.gov/airconsumer. Thank you for taking the time to contact us"
"Dear Mr. Lee
Thank you for your correspondence regarding the reservation you made with Cheaptickets for travel on Malaysia Airlines.
We are investigating the circumstances you described. If you have evidence that your credit card was charged, please send us this information as soon as possible. Please note that an itinerary or "confirmation for reservation" is not evidence that your credit card was charged.
We will forward your complaint to the airline and will ask the company to respond directly to you. If you need to contact our analyst assigned to your case, you may leave a telephone message on our Aviation Consumer line at 202-366-2220 or respond back to this email. Please include your name and case number (see above). We will make every effort to reply to your message within one business day.
We have entered your complaint in our computerized industry monitoring system, and it will be counted among the number of complaints filed against this airline in our monthly Air Travel Consumer Report. This report allows consumers and air travel companies to compare the complaint records of individual airlines and tour operators. The data in this report also serve as a basis for rulemaking, legislation and research. Consumer information for air travelers, including the Air Travel Consumer Report and our pamphlet Fly-Rights, a Consumer's Guide to Air Travel, can be found on our website, www.dot.gov/airconsumer. Thank you for taking the time to contact us"
#156
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 20
This was a follow up email from Cheaptickets after I refused their offer of a plain refund.
"Dear Mr. Lee,
We tried calling you at the number provided in your account however; you were not available at the time of our call. Please provide us your most accessible phone number and the best time for us to reach you, so we can assist you further on your concern.
We have contacted the airlines however the only option they are offering is only refund. They will not provide any other flights with different carrier nor will provide any other reacommodations. Please call us back so we may process the refund anytime.
In case you have contacted us again and were able to speak with a supervisor, please disregard this email.
Thank you for booking with CheapTickets.
Sincerely,
Jenny"
"Dear Mr. Lee,
We tried calling you at the number provided in your account however; you were not available at the time of our call. Please provide us your most accessible phone number and the best time for us to reach you, so we can assist you further on your concern.
We have contacted the airlines however the only option they are offering is only refund. They will not provide any other flights with different carrier nor will provide any other reacommodations. Please call us back so we may process the refund anytime.
In case you have contacted us again and were able to speak with a supervisor, please disregard this email.
Thank you for booking with CheapTickets.
Sincerely,
Jenny"
#157
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: New York, NY, USA
Posts: 12,481
I highly doubt MH, or any third party, has ability to remove transaction from your bank. It is simply not possible. Looks to me that a charge was authorized but never posted. i.e. MH stopped ticketing process before it was completed and no ticket was ever issued. Do you have an eticket number (232xxx) from MH?
#158
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: SFO
Programs: Former UA 1K, SPG Gold, HHonors Diamond, Hyatt Diamond, IC AMB
Posts: 403
So are people with confirmed cheaptix itineraries and posted CC charges just waiting to see what happens? (Is cheaptix contacting people based on upcoming travel dates?)
Sounds like if one calls cheaptix, they will try to cancel and refund. And that some level of escalation is necessary to get the ticket properly set up with CX?
I'm trying to set up other parts of the trip, as well as get things squared away w/work, so I'd like to wrap this up.
Sounds like if one calls cheaptix, they will try to cancel and refund. And that some level of escalation is necessary to get the ticket properly set up with CX?
I'm trying to set up other parts of the trip, as well as get things squared away w/work, so I'd like to wrap this up.
#159
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 2
My sister in-law received the itinerary change email from cheaptix yesterday. She called this morning and after 2.5 hours of getting transferred around they re-booked her outbound from SFO on a later CX flight and for the return, a JAL flight back with a stopover in Tokyo Haneda airport.
All along the way she was offered a refund and credit of $100 but she held out and a supervisor took care of it.
All along the way she was offered a refund and credit of $100 but she held out and a supervisor took care of it.
#160
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: SFO
Programs: Former UA 1K, SPG Gold, HHonors Diamond, Hyatt Diamond, IC AMB
Posts: 403
My sister in-law received the itinerary change email from cheaptix yesterday. She called this morning and after 2.5 hours of getting transferred around they re-booked her outbound from SFO on a later CX flight and for the return, a JAL flight back with a stopover in Tokyo Haneda airport.
All along the way she was offered a refund and credit of $100 but she held out and a supervisor took care of it.
All along the way she was offered a refund and credit of $100 but she held out and a supervisor took care of it.
#161
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 10
It was authorized but I guess an invoice was never received from MH for it to be posted. That's the reason why it was in pending for several days but never posted as a completed transaction. I do have an e-ticket number which is probably generated automatically by a computer. Then someone found the mistake and manually stopped the processing. Anyway, it is no longer in my credit card's recent activity.
I highly doubt MH, or any third party, has ability to remove transaction from your bank. It is simply not possible. Looks to me that a charge was authorized but never posted. i.e. MH stopped ticketing process before it was completed and no ticket was ever issued. Do you have an eticket number (232xxx) from MH?
#162
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 10
I also spoke to a cheaptickets supervisor today and he insisted no rebooking and just refund plus a $70 voucher. I wasted 2 hours at work trying to get through so in the end I gave up and accepted his offer. I'm kicking myself now thinking maybe I should've persisted after seeing your post...
My sister in-law received the itinerary change email from cheaptix yesterday. She called this morning and after 2.5 hours of getting transferred around they re-booked her outbound from SFO on a later CX flight and for the return, a JAL flight back with a stopover in Tokyo Haneda airport.
All along the way she was offered a refund and credit of $100 but she held out and a supervisor took care of it.
All along the way she was offered a refund and credit of $100 but she held out and a supervisor took care of it.
#163
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 2
I also spoke to a cheaptickets supervisor today and he insisted no rebooking and just refund plus a $70 voucher. I wasted 2 hours at work trying to get through so in the end I gave up and accepted his offer. I'm kicking myself now thinking maybe I should've persisted after seeing your post...
#164
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 43
Hi, folks.
I was only offered a refund and $100 voucher for future use (haha!) which is no consolation prize for the 7 hours on the phone I have spent with them, mostly hold time. However, the agent I was in contact with heard about my lack of luck with the other agents that I had been speaking with then worked out a deal with MH where I could fly SFO–>YVR–>NRT–>HKG. Or somewhere in Japan if not NRT. I would depart SFO on 9/3 and arrive in YVR, then depart 9/4 for NRT and arrive at 10:00PM or so in HKG. That’s 2 days of travel. Each way. 4 days. They said I could do the same routing on the way back and this would not cost me anything additional. They are basically using all of their partner airlines to make it happen. I should see if they have anything direct.
In any case, I declined. I don’t have 4 days to burn and when you have something like that, the lost luggage and delays/missed connections would not be worth it to me. I haven’t authorized the refund yet but I am looking to see about getting some travel vouchers for future use. Call me greedy, I don’t care, but $100 is not worth the nightmare this has been so far.
I have heard excuses like “fare filing issues”, “schedule changes”, “invalid routing”, “cheaptickets confirming without having confirmed with CX”. It’s
Oh, and FYI…..This is what DOT had to say about it when I explained it in more detail with a gentleman named Douglas.
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In the United States, airline reservations, schedules, fares, seats, and mileage programs are not regulated by the Federal government, but are controlled by the airline independently (Airline Deregulation Act of 1978). When you purchase an airline ticket from a travel agency, or directly from an airline, you are agreeing to the Airline Contract of Carriage. In the contract of carriage, “airlines” do not guarantee their schedules, or assume liability for damages. . I have provided a link to your airline contract for you convenience. I hope this information is helpful.
In your case, you are agreeing to two separate contracts, (1) Cheap Tickets Contract, and the Airline Contract of Carriage. If CheapTix issues you ETickets on Malaysia Airlines ticket stock, using a codeshare partner Cathay Pacific (Operating Carrier), you should have an airline ticket number (or you do not hold confirmed airline tickets). If you paid your money to Cheap Tickets, I would demand confirmed airline tickets, with ticket numbers, or ask for a refund.
Airline schedules, and seats are never guaranteed by “airlines” and can, and do change.
Cheap Tickets Contract of Carriage
http://www.cheaptickets.com/info/win...sAndConditions
Read more: http://www.theflightdeal.com/2014/08...#ixzz3BAeVKkFj
I was only offered a refund and $100 voucher for future use (haha!) which is no consolation prize for the 7 hours on the phone I have spent with them, mostly hold time. However, the agent I was in contact with heard about my lack of luck with the other agents that I had been speaking with then worked out a deal with MH where I could fly SFO–>YVR–>NRT–>HKG. Or somewhere in Japan if not NRT. I would depart SFO on 9/3 and arrive in YVR, then depart 9/4 for NRT and arrive at 10:00PM or so in HKG. That’s 2 days of travel. Each way. 4 days. They said I could do the same routing on the way back and this would not cost me anything additional. They are basically using all of their partner airlines to make it happen. I should see if they have anything direct.
In any case, I declined. I don’t have 4 days to burn and when you have something like that, the lost luggage and delays/missed connections would not be worth it to me. I haven’t authorized the refund yet but I am looking to see about getting some travel vouchers for future use. Call me greedy, I don’t care, but $100 is not worth the nightmare this has been so far.
I have heard excuses like “fare filing issues”, “schedule changes”, “invalid routing”, “cheaptickets confirming without having confirmed with CX”. It’s
Oh, and FYI…..This is what DOT had to say about it when I explained it in more detail with a gentleman named Douglas.
———-
In the United States, airline reservations, schedules, fares, seats, and mileage programs are not regulated by the Federal government, but are controlled by the airline independently (Airline Deregulation Act of 1978). When you purchase an airline ticket from a travel agency, or directly from an airline, you are agreeing to the Airline Contract of Carriage. In the contract of carriage, “airlines” do not guarantee their schedules, or assume liability for damages. . I have provided a link to your airline contract for you convenience. I hope this information is helpful.
In your case, you are agreeing to two separate contracts, (1) Cheap Tickets Contract, and the Airline Contract of Carriage. If CheapTix issues you ETickets on Malaysia Airlines ticket stock, using a codeshare partner Cathay Pacific (Operating Carrier), you should have an airline ticket number (or you do not hold confirmed airline tickets). If you paid your money to Cheap Tickets, I would demand confirmed airline tickets, with ticket numbers, or ask for a refund.
Airline schedules, and seats are never guaranteed by “airlines” and can, and do change.
Cheap Tickets Contract of Carriage
http://www.cheaptickets.com/info/win...sAndConditions
Read more: http://www.theflightdeal.com/2014/08...#ixzz3BAeVKkFj
#165
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: New York, NY, USA
Posts: 12,481