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Old Oct 24, 2015, 5:28 am
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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

Trip Reports/Tips:

2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

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Old Oct 17, 2017, 2:25 pm
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Originally Posted by woody125
My math says about the same. Crafting my ORC letter now...
Complaining about Delta's delay costing your confirmed upgrades might result in a few devalued Sky Miles tossed your way, too.

Does Korean sell upgrades for cash? You can in theory use your miles to do it.

https://www.koreanair.com/global/en/...onditions.html
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Old Oct 17, 2017, 8:15 pm
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Plans have changed as well as itinerary. Reason IAH DTW delayed 4 hours so would never make connection. Good bye 744 upper deck. Too bad so sad but life goes on. Was almost rerouted UA IAH NRT and then would continue on DL NRT SIN but alas was not to be. What will be is IAH ATL INC SIN still in J but don't know if it will be as good as DL as their seats are 2 3 2 instead of 1 2 1 and flights are 777 and not 747. Long night at IAH. Waiting for 0700 IAH ATL and no SC at IAH. Happy Travels and Blessing to all. Had planned to
meet some FT members DTW NRT SIN but that won't happen now unless they stay in SIN for a few days.

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The above was post 2151 and gave our experience. We had confirmed UG all the way thru IAH DTW NRT SIN but flight IAH DTW was delayed and would be a misconnect. Once we got to ATL we spoke with the lady at the desk in SC in Term B and she was able to rebook us on DL from ATL INC rather than on KE. We got UG all the way thru ATL INC SIN. As readers have noted that routing give less MQM than DTW NRT SIN. We were given and additional 7128 MQM and we had the 1-2-1 seating in J instead of the 2-3-2 in KE. With the additional MQM I didn't ask for ORC which would have given us less MQM. We are going out again from IAH Nov 29 but go out thru ATL so hopefully will not have to deal with a delayed flight IAH DTW. Unfortunately we will not be in J for this trip but in C+ on outbound but on inbound we go thru DTW which has no C+ and only PS which costs $ so we have selected exit row seats in back rather than pay the $820 for PS and would also give me FC DTW IAH. We are happy to sit in back and save the $ as that would cost more than what we paid for the whole ticket of $726.86,
So I guess the extra MQM helps to somewhat compensate for missing out on the 744 upper deck from DTW NRT on the outbound leg, I would rather have had my flight on the 744 UD than the extra MQM.

Will be DM for at least 1 more year, after that who knows. $250,000 AMX spend doesn't seem worth the effort. Keep posting your comments and trip reports.

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Waiting for 0700 IAH ATL and no SC at IAH.


You can use the KLM lounge in Houston.
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Unfortunately we will not be in J for this trip but in C+ on outbound but on inbound we go thru DTW which has no C+ and only PS which costs $ so we have selected exit row seats in back rather than pay the $820 for PS and would also give me FC DTW IAH. We are happy to sit in back and save the $ as that would cost more than what we paid for the whole ticket of $726.86,
You could always use the pay-with-miles feature to bump that $820 cost. You still earn full MQMs.
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Smile KLM Lounge and flights IAH DTW

The KLM lounge doesn't open until 7 or 7:30 and if you have an early flight you won't have time to go there and back to your gate. We have used it when our flights departed later in the AM but it won't work if you have a early flight. Thanks for mentioning the fact. How many readers have had the IAH DTW flight to make and have made that flight successfully. It seems like much less risk to go IAH ATL if the costs are the same.
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PVG and SIN questions

First time posting. Been PM for years and for the first time I was close enough to DM and been reading this thread for any good deals. What clinched it for me was Delta's decision to increase MQD waiver to $250000. So this will be my fist and last DM. Anyway, I was planning a trip to Japan regardless and decided to add a side trip to SIN to get the extra miles. This, plus Delta Reserve for the 10K will get me to DM

I have a few questions. My route is ATL-LAX-HND (3 days in Tokyo), NRT-SIN (22.5 hours in SIN), SIN-PVG on China Eastern, 9 hour layover, PVG-SEA-LAX-ATL. Total was $1200, $864 for LAX and back and $326 for ATL-LAX RT.

My question is what to do for 9 hours in PVG. I was looking for a transit hotel but can't find anything definitive. I have no valid visa for China anymore but I read you can stay at the airport for 24hrs or venture to the city with a special permit you get at the airport. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

In Singapore I have booked the aerotel for 8 hours upon landing and then plan to do some sightseeing. MU flight departs at 11pm. What should one see in 12 hours?

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Smile SIN and PVG visit

Read the wiki for things to do in Singapore. It really depends on your interests. See Gardens by the Bay. They have many food courts and places to eat, Jurong Bird Park is excellent if you like birds. They have an excellent zoo. You can visit Sentosa Island which is like a Resort, also have a Science Museum. They have a large Ferris wheel called the Singapore Flyer. If you have any other questions let me know. Send me a PM with phone number. They also have bus tours and you can get around very easily on the MRT. PVG is an interesting and fascinating city but you need more time to explore the city. Have a good trip and give us a trip report. Blessings!
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Originally Posted by phil_atlanta
In Singapore I have booked the aerotel for 8 hours upon landing and then plan to do some sightseeing. MU flight departs at 11pm. What should one see in 12 hours?

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For what it's worth, the humidity and the sun (not so much the heat -- the temperature isn't that hot) can make it oppressive to sightsee between morning and late afternoon, especially between say 11 and 3 p.m.

I think Singapore is best explored at dusk, overnight and early morning, if only because so much of the city and its crazy architecture is illuminated.

You may want to get a hotel downtown Singapore. Arrive late from Narita. Head to Gardens by the Bay before it closes at 2 a.m., get some late-night street food (safe in Singapore), go back, sleep, wake up, do some morning sightseeing, lay by the pool, do some dusk sightseeing and then head to the airport around 8 pm.
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For what it's worth, the humidity and the sun (not so much the heat -- the temperature isn't that hot) can make it oppressive to sightsee between morning and late afternoon, especially between say 11 and 3 p.m.

I think Singapore is best explored at dusk, overnight and early morning, if only because so much of the city and its crazy architecture is illuminated.

You may want to get a hotel downtown Singapore. Arrive late from Narita. Head to Gardens by the Bay before it closes at 2 a.m., get some late-night street food (safe in Singapore), go back, sleep, wake up, do some morning sightseeing, lay by the pool, do some dusk sightseeing and then head to the airport around 8 pm.
Thank you. I ended up changing my return (Delta price dropped by $104) and now flying back through NRT. So I have 2 nights in SIN. I think I will follow your advice and get a downtown hotel for the second night. I can get the JW Marriott for 40000 MR points.
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Do PM's get free premium economy upgrades if flying China Southern ?
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Waiver for Japan... during my trip. Going to be interesting.
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Originally Posted by phil_atlanta
Thank you. I ended up changing my return (Delta price dropped by $104) and now flying back through NRT. So I have 2 nights in SIN. I think I will follow your advice and get a downtown hotel for the second night. I can get the JW Marriott for 40000 MR points.
The J.W. Marriott's main pool sucks. It gets no sunshine as it is completely covered. The smaller pool gets some sun in the morning. Stay at the Marriott, which has a better pool.
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Waiver for Japan... during my trip. Going to be interesting.
Waiver for Japan? Huh.
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Waiver for Japan... during my trip. Going to be interesting.
Originally Posted by hockeyinsider
Waiver for Japan? Huh.
Typhoon Lan

Waiver dates Oct 22-24, affecting FUK, NGO, KIX, HND and NRT.
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Typhoon Lan

Waiver dates Oct 22-24, affecting FUK, NGO, KIX, HND and NRT.
Thanks. I wonder if they will re-route him via Europe on Air France/KLM?
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