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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

Old Oct 24, 2015, 5:28 am
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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

Trip Reports/Tips:

2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

2013: Oct
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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

Old Feb 6, 2015, 5:15 pm
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Smile Fares Feb 6 LAX Dep

Fares from Google.com/flights

25,096 MQM LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX

$893 ai 3.56 cpm Apr 27-30, May 4-7 BEST FARE
$902 ai 3.59 cpm Apr 13-16
$970 ai 3.87 cpm Jun 1-4, 8-11
$1014 ai 4.04 cpm May 11-14
$1090 ai 4.34 cpm May 25-28
$1299 ai 5.18 cpm May 18-21

Other dates higher

Happy Travels! Cheers! Get your Flu shot!
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Old Feb 11, 2015, 9:42 pm
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Smile Fares on Feb 11 for LAX and SFO Dep

LAX dep 25,096 MQM LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
SFO dep 25,318 MQM SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO

LAX Dep
$922 ai 3.67 cpm Apr 27-30 BEST FARE.
$931 ai $3.71 cpm Apr 13-16
$1012 ai 4.03 cpm Jun 1-4, 8-11
$1041 ai 4.15 cpm Apr 6-9
$1192 ai 4.75 cpm May 11-14
$1240 ai 4.94 cpm Mar 30-Apr 2
Other dates higher

SFO Dep
$967 ai 3.85 cpm Apr 13-16, 27-30, May 4-7
$1098 ai 4.38 cpm Apr 6-9
$1149 ai 4.58 cpm Jun 8-11
$1188 ai 4.73 cpm Jun 1-4
Other dates higher

Happy Travels! Cheers! Get your flu shot!
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Old Feb 18, 2015, 11:27 pm
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Smile Fares on Feb 18 Gong Xi Fa Cai

Happy Lunar New Year!

Fares from Google.com/flights
LAX Dep LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX. 25,096 MQM

$982 ai 3.91 cpm Apt 6-9. BEST FARE FROM LAX
$1049 ai 4.18 cpm Jun 8-11
$1073 ai 4.28 cpm Apr 13-16
$1102 ai 4.39 cpm May 11-14
$1192 ai 4.75 cpm May 4-7, Jun 1-4
$1252 ai 4.83 cpm Mar 9-12, 16-17
$1269 ai 5.06 cpm Apr 20-23

SFO Dep SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO 25,318 MQM

$967 ai 3.82 cpm Apr 13-16 BEST FARE FROM SFO
$1016 ai 4.01 cpm Mar 30-Apr 2
$1019 ai 4.02 cpm Jun 8-11
$1098 ai 4.34 cpm Apr 6-9
$1202 ai 4.75 cpm May 11-14
$1256 ai 4.96 cpm April 20-23
$1271 ai 5.02 cpm May 4-7

Dates not given all higher thru end of Jun
Happy travels! Cheers!
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Old Feb 23, 2015, 10:54 pm
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Smile Objectives for thread.

Enjoy your travel and your MR!

Maximum MQM at lowest cost in least amount of time!
Itin SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO 25,318 MQM in about 72 hrs
LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,096 MQM in about 72 hrs

MQM needed to maintain status, RDM not a consideration, if RDM important pay higher fare or do MS (manufactured spend with credit cards).

MQD - waiver with AMX spend of $25,000

If you see lower fare, please post fares and dates. All comments welcomed. Have met some really great people through this thread.

The champion MRer that I know of did 4 runs in 9 days for 21,565 x 4 = 86,260 MQM at a cost of $785 x 4 = $3140 ai 3.64 CPM which is an excellent price.
Congratulations!!! ^^

Another MRer did about 32,000 + MQM in 4 days!!

To all of you thanks for sharing and posting, please continue to post comments and prices! Have already done one MR this year with my wife a few weeks ago for $851 at 3.39 cpm?

Lowest fares usually in Feb, late Oct and early Nov and Dec and sometimes during week of Thanksgiving if you don't mind spending it on a plane.

Keep reading and posting! Easiest to find fares on Google.com/flights. If fares are low they sometimes last only a few days. Will try to post fare weekly but sometimes when traveling it is difficult if I don't have good internet access. Will be in ATQ via SIN in Mar, Panama in June and DPS via SIN in Aug and probably back to SIN in Dec again.

Have a great week! Gong Xi FA Cai! (Happy Lunar New Year, belated, was last Thr). Happy Travels! Cheers!

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Old Feb 23, 2015, 11:30 pm
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4 of these in 9 days? good lord....I thought me doing 2 was rough....
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Old Feb 26, 2015, 1:20 am
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Two consecutive runs is very good, more than I am willing to do! Congratulations on your runs!
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Old Feb 26, 2015, 1:28 am
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Fares on Feb 26

Only a couple fares worth posting, all others too high thru Jun 30
Fares from Google.com/flights

LAX Dep
$1089 ai 4.34 cpm Apr 6-9
$1101 ai 4.39 cpm Apr 13-16

SFO Dep
$1002 ai 3.96 cpm Apr 13-16
$1047 ai 4.14 cpm Apr 6-9

Happy Travels. If you get lower prices, please post. Have a great weekend! Cheers!
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Old Feb 27, 2015, 12:24 pm
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Thank you CSFING1 for all of your continuous work sharing this cost per MQM efficient MR. I will continue to monitor this thread for making this trip later this year. I've never been to NRT, nor SIN, so it would be more than just an MR... it would be an experience.
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Old Feb 27, 2015, 2:05 pm
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Good deals out of BOS.. slightly less mileage, but also < $1k.
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Old Feb 27, 2015, 2:55 pm
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Originally Posted by Flyertall
I've never been to NRT, nor SIN, so it would be more than just an MR... it would be an experience.
It would be a tragedy to go all that way to Singapore and not stay a while. NRT is harder because of the short Delta connection times between Singapore and the United States. If you can ever get a same-day NRT connection of several hours, it is well-worth the short train ride from the airport to Narita town. See the huge temple complex.
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Old Mar 4, 2015, 9:31 am
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Originally Posted by Flyertall
Thank you CSFING1 for all of your continuous work sharing this cost per MQM efficient MR. I will continue to monitor this thread for making this trip later this year. I've never been to NRT, nor SIN, so it would be more than just an MR... it would be an experience.
SIN is certainly worth a few days if you have the time. Sightseeing - Jurong Bird Park, Zoo, Botanic Gardens with orchid display, food courts and restaurants, Merlion, Science museum, shopping (cameras & electronics are probably better prices in US). You can also take excursions to Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand. If you have any questions let me know.

Any other comments on things to do, please share and any better fares share with dates. Fares will be lower direct from LAX SFO without going to JFK but MQM will be lower but if cpm cost is good enoug, go for it. You also have the option of going thru JFK on only the outbound or return and costs will vary depending on dates. It is beyond the scope of this thread to put in all those variables for pricing. Easiest way to price for me is multicity booking thru Google.com/flights as you can rapidly change your dates and see your prices much faster than delta.com

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Mar 8, 2015, 8:10 pm
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Exclamation Fares Mar 8

LAX Dep 25,096 MQM LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX

Fares from Google.com/flights. Multi city booking

$922 ai 3.67 cpm Oct 5-8, 26-29, Nov 2-5, 9-12, 23-26 (Thanksgiving week) BEST FARE!
$1023 ai 4.07 cpm Nov 16-16
$1027 ai 4.09 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1
$1039 ai 4.14 cpm Apr 6-9, Sep 7-10, Oct 19-22
$1114 ai 4.44 cpm Nov 30-Dec 3
$1127 ai 4.49 cpm Sep 21-24

SFO Dep 25,318 MQM SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO

$996 ai 3.93 cpm Apr 20-23, Oct 5-8, 26-29, Nov 2-5, 9-12
$1000 ai 3.95 cpm Apr 13-16
$1076 ai 4.25 cpm Sep 27-Oct 1, 19-22, Nov 16-18, 23-26
$1085 ai 4.29 cpm Nov 30-Dec 3
$1147 ai 4.53 cpm Apr 6-9
$1156 ai 4.57 cpm Sep 21-24

Other dates not given are higher

Happy Travels! Cheers! Be positive! Don't be like Mark Twain who said, "My life has been a series of tragedies, most of them never happened." If you have any comments or better fares, please post

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Have you had any issues with the DL website erroring out on a multi-city search? Can't get what I want and I don't feel like calling them. Doing SFO/SIN doesn't give me the connection cities I want and when I do a multi-city it's telling me "Travel for the date you selected is not offered or sold out," which of course is crap. Their website sucks so much. STILL.
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Old Mar 9, 2015, 11:27 pm
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Originally Posted by iamhereandthere
Have you had any issues with the DL website erroring out on a multi-city search? Can't get what I want and I don't feel like calling them. Doing SFO/SIN doesn't give me the connection cities I want and when I do a multi-city it's telling me "Travel for the date you selected is not offered or sold out," which of course is crap. Their website sucks so much. STILL.
I always plan it out using google flights, multi city in 4 segments:
LAX-JFK
JFK-SIN (will return this leg with the NRT layover)
SIN-JFK
JFK-LAX.

Once you pick all the flights you want, it gives you a link to delta which will then instantly pull up the routing
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You'd think you could use the airline's website to shop for their flights. Sigh.
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