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If you have done this trip please help improve the wiki!
If you have done this trip please help improve the wiki!
Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?
Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.
How do I search for dates/prices?
One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
- outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
- inbound: dl+ nrt dtw
NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box
See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)
You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)
I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
- you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
- if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
- for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
- call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover
Do I need a visa?
No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.
What are the best seats?
Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
- one vote for the bulkhead in C+
- DL forum omnibus C+ thread: FAQ: Comfort+ Seating
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread
Will there be wifi on the international legs?
DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.
777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked
Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.
FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)
Other related threads:
Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)
Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet
SIN airport facilities
If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)
Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels
Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.
FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges
Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.
There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.
NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.
Things to do in SIN
In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.
SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.
Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9
Things to do on a long connection through NRT:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html
Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread
There is free wifi in NRT.
Returning to the US
Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)
You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.
Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.
Relevant FT threads:
- CLEAR - worthwhile use of $179? in theTrusted Travelers Forum
- DL-specific thread in the DL Forum
Returning via ATL:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread
CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.
For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.
(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)
Returning via DTW:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread
When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.
The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.
Duty Free Liquids
This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:
http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule
FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight
If you have any experience with this, please share!
IRROPS handling:
Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html
Trip Reports/Tips:
2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb
2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep
2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2
2013: Oct
[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)
#766
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: SZX(HKG), SFO
Programs: UA1K, AAEXP, CZ G, MU PLT, CA PLT, Hyatt D, Hilton D, Marriott PP
Posts: 45
#767
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Upstate, NY
Posts: 3,359
I'm flying JFK (Dec 4th) to NRT (Dec 5th) to SIN (Dec 6th) and returning on Dec 8th (SIN->NRT->SEA->JFK)
If anyone else will be on those flights say hello! I'll have a FlyerTalk tag on my bag!
(BTW it appears the Transit hotels are all booked up on the morning of Dec 6th! D'oh!)
If anyone else will be on those flights say hello! I'll have a FlyerTalk tag on my bag!
(BTW it appears the Transit hotels are all booked up on the morning of Dec 6th! D'oh!)
#768
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Meet in SC in NRT on Fri
I'm flying JFK (Dec 4th) to NRT (Dec 5th) to SIN (Dec 6th) and returning on Dec 8th (SIN->NRT->SEA->JFK)
If anyone else will be on those flights say hello! I'll have a FlyerTalk tag on my bag!
(BTW it appears the Transit hotels are all booked up on the morning of Dec 6th! D'oh!)
If anyone else will be on those flights say hello! I'll have a FlyerTalk tag on my bag!
(BTW it appears the Transit hotels are all booked up on the morning of Dec 6th! D'oh!)
Happy Travels! Cheers!
#769
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Upstate, NY
Posts: 3,359
We should be on same plane with you from NRT SIN Fri evening. Leave Wed evening SMF LAX ATL NRT SIN arrive SIN Fri night after MN, early am on Dec 6, look for us in SC in NRT. We met Jimmy in SIN last week who met you on earlier trip, he was on his way to TPE, looking forward to meeting you!
Happy Travels! Cheers!
Happy Travels! Cheers!
I will PM you my seat number on NRT-SIN but look for me at whatever the nearest SkyClub is to the NRT-SIN flight...I'm hard to miss...especially with the FlyerTalk tag...
#770
Join Date: Jan 2013
Programs: DL PM, Amex Plat, Virgin Atl, SPG Gold, National
Posts: 70
Last chance for this year LAX (better) and SFO Dep
$1044.50 ai 25,096 MQM 4.16 cpm Dec 8-12, 30 hrs in SIN, LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
$1122.50 ai 25,518 MQM 4.43 cpm Dec 8-12, 30 hrs in SIN, SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
Other dates higher. If you need MQM this will probably be your last opportunity to get a MR at a reasonable cost for these itn.
Get fares on Google.com/flights, multi city, there will be 4 legs, LAX JFK, JFK SIN, SIN JFK, JFK LAX, pick flights, buy on Delta.com. Happy Travels!
Our last trip to SIN this year starts tomorrow evening, for work, Dec 3-24, SMF LAX ATL NRT SIN NRT LAX SMF, couldn't ret thru ATL and get home before Christmas.
Happy Travels! Have a Great week! Get your quadrivalent Flu shot! Cheers!
$1044.50 ai 25,096 MQM 4.16 cpm Dec 8-12, 30 hrs in SIN, LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
$1122.50 ai 25,518 MQM 4.43 cpm Dec 8-12, 30 hrs in SIN, SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
Other dates higher. If you need MQM this will probably be your last opportunity to get a MR at a reasonable cost for these itn.
Get fares on Google.com/flights, multi city, there will be 4 legs, LAX JFK, JFK SIN, SIN JFK, JFK LAX, pick flights, buy on Delta.com. Happy Travels!
Our last trip to SIN this year starts tomorrow evening, for work, Dec 3-24, SMF LAX ATL NRT SIN NRT LAX SMF, couldn't ret thru ATL and get home before Christmas.
Happy Travels! Have a Great week! Get your quadrivalent Flu shot! Cheers!
hmm, I was looking for a MR originating in LAX. Your itinerary would have been perfect. However, I couldn't find it at any decent price. And afaik, would have required overnights in NYC on both ends. Tough searching for it.
#772
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
#773
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Funny you mention him....we ended up on NRT-JFK flight together but didn't know it until we ran into each other at the JFK T2 SkyClub!
I will PM you my seat number on NRT-SIN but look for me at whatever the nearest SkyClub is to the NRT-SIN flight...I'm hard to miss...especially with the FlyerTalk tag...
I will PM you my seat number on NRT-SIN but look for me at whatever the nearest SkyClub is to the NRT-SIN flight...I'm hard to miss...especially with the FlyerTalk tag...
#774
Join Date: Jan 2013
Programs: DL PM, Amex Plat, Virgin Atl, SPG Gold, National
Posts: 70
My original price was lower, but I opted for an extra day, to make a shortish trip of it.
BTW, I saw that LAX-BKK is around ~$850.
Oh and if people are looking for last minutes, LAX-HKG, LAX-DXB, LAX-DNB, and LAX-FRA were all decent the last I checked. For the next 7 days or so.
Not sure what the deal is, but there are a lot of cheap fares floating around.
#776
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Funny you mention him....we ended up on NRT-JFK flight together but didn't know it until we ran into each other at the JFK T2 SkyClub!
I will PM you my seat number on NRT-SIN but look for me at whatever the nearest SkyClub is to the NRT-SIN flight...I'm hard to miss...especially with the FlyerTalk tag...
I will PM you my seat number on NRT-SIN but look for me at whatever the nearest SkyClub is to the NRT-SIN flight...I'm hard to miss...especially with the FlyerTalk tag...
#777
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
On flight from NRT SIN met 3 other MRers. One was meeting 5 friends who were doing their MR on UA and 2 others who were staying here for 1 or 2 days. The last member of our group arrived on AA codeshare with JL at 0124.
You only have 25 more days for 2014 MR and your 2014 MQM!
During this trip will have the opportunity to fly A380 on SQ from SIN PVG, Looking forward to that trip but not going thru immigration with a plane load of that many people.
Happy Travels! Get your quadrivalent Flu shot! Cheers!
You only have 25 more days for 2014 MR and your 2014 MQM!
During this trip will have the opportunity to fly A380 on SQ from SIN PVG, Looking forward to that trip but not going thru immigration with a plane load of that many people.
Happy Travels! Get your quadrivalent Flu shot! Cheers!
#778
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: LAX
Programs: DL Dia, Marriott Plat
Posts: 34
Trip report: Just completed lax-jfk-nrt-sin-nrt-jfk-lax for my wife and me both DL PM each needed about 5k MQM still for the year to maintain PM so this seemed good for a nice rollover balance too. Fare was $920 ea so cpm 3.6, I have seen this fare in the high $800’s though I paid more as I turned it into a little time off and did a layover 1day / 24hrs. both ways in NY, without the NY layover could get it in the in high $800's a few weeks back with even a few day stay in SIN. I am thinking this fare is going to be available again after first of the year as capacity loads seem low. Seating on the 777 EC we took the three middle all legs gambling no one would take the middle EC seat, ny-nrt center seat open as most were in the cabin, nrt-sin center seat got occupied so we switched to sit next to each other, sin-nrt center seat open about half center seats open, nrt-ny this flight was crazy empty on Dec4th everybody in EC took a whole row except one family who sat in a row together and I think two ladies in bulk head who still had empty seat between them. On this flight BE cabin back section only two people and only about 3/4 full in front BE cabin. On all legs in BE cabin had empty seats so if you have SWU you will be able to use them no problem. Flight attendants are even pretty protective of EC seats one guy tried to move into a EC seat from a couple of rows back and flight attendant told him he could not sit in that row although it was completely empty until another EC customer took it to have a whole row. Flight attendant on departure made a comment she has not seen this flight that empty in a long time.
Additional info:
This routing can be tuff for just a pure MR it will beat you up so I commend all that have done it as a true MR. As I said I did a layover both ways 1 day in NYC which can make a ton difference. Easy to take the E train to Queensboro plaza hotels right there. You can take the N/Q train up a few stops to Astoria for great dinner places let me know if you want some suggestions on some excellent Greek restaurants. On the way back through NY took the E train a few more stops into Manhattan and turned in some Marriott points to stay at the Residence Inn on Broadway & 54th Street right next to the station that is a great hotel as all residence inn rooms start at 35 floor and great views of central park.
Hotels in Singapore: If your going to stay a couple of days, Royal Plaza on Scott you can get it for about $130 on Hotwire right next to the Orchard station, Hotel Jen by Orchard Gateway, Somerset station right below hotel, this is a brand new hotel opened in September and great infinity pool if your going to do some RR this would be a good choice it is about $200 a night but worth it. Village at Changi hotel is close to the airport with a free shuttle problem is for Delta flights it only runs 5am-12am so tuff with Delta flight times cab is about $15 SD to the airport, great hawker stand next to hotel and the Italian restaurant top floor has really good food and is not that expensive for Singapore. The other problem with the Delta arrival flight is the MRT does not run after 12am so you either need to take a taxi to city center, stay at the airport or airport hotel and next day take the MRT into the city which is easy.
Ok SIN mileage runners have fun!
Additional info:
This routing can be tuff for just a pure MR it will beat you up so I commend all that have done it as a true MR. As I said I did a layover both ways 1 day in NYC which can make a ton difference. Easy to take the E train to Queensboro plaza hotels right there. You can take the N/Q train up a few stops to Astoria for great dinner places let me know if you want some suggestions on some excellent Greek restaurants. On the way back through NY took the E train a few more stops into Manhattan and turned in some Marriott points to stay at the Residence Inn on Broadway & 54th Street right next to the station that is a great hotel as all residence inn rooms start at 35 floor and great views of central park.
Hotels in Singapore: If your going to stay a couple of days, Royal Plaza on Scott you can get it for about $130 on Hotwire right next to the Orchard station, Hotel Jen by Orchard Gateway, Somerset station right below hotel, this is a brand new hotel opened in September and great infinity pool if your going to do some RR this would be a good choice it is about $200 a night but worth it. Village at Changi hotel is close to the airport with a free shuttle problem is for Delta flights it only runs 5am-12am so tuff with Delta flight times cab is about $15 SD to the airport, great hawker stand next to hotel and the Italian restaurant top floor has really good food and is not that expensive for Singapore. The other problem with the Delta arrival flight is the MRT does not run after 12am so you either need to take a taxi to city center, stay at the airport or airport hotel and next day take the MRT into the city which is easy.
Ok SIN mileage runners have fun!
Last edited by yasmas; Dec 6, 2014 at 8:59 am
#779
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Thanks for your informative post!
Trip report:
Additional info:
This routing can be tuff for just a pure MR it will beat you up so I commend all that have done it as a true MR. As I said I did a layover both ways 1 day in NYC which can make a ton difference. Easy to take the E train to Queensboro plaza hotels right there. You can take the N/Q train up a few stops to Astoria for great dinner places let me know if you want some suggestions on some excellent Greek restaurants. On the way back through NY took the E train a few more stops into Manhattan and turned in some Marriott points to stay at the Residence Inn on Broadway & 54th Street right next to the station that is a great hotel as all residence inn rooms start at 35 floor and great views of central park.
Hotels in Singapore: If your going to stay a couple of days, Royal Plaza on Scott you can get it for about $130 on Hotwire right next to the Orchard station, Hotel Jen by Orchard Gateway, Somerset station right below hotel, this is a brand new hotel opened in September and great infinity pool if your going to do some RR this would be a good choice it is about $200 a night but worth it. Village at Changi hotel is close to the airport with a free shuttle problem is for Delta flights it only runs 5am-12am so tuff with Delta flight times cab is about $15 SD to the airport, great hawker stand next to hotel and the Italian restaurant top floor has really good food and is not that expensive for Singapore. The other problem with the Delta arrival flight is the MRT does not run after 12am so you either need to take a taxi to city center, stay at the airport or airport hotel and next day take the MRT into the city which is easy.
Ok SIN mileage runners have fun!
Additional info:
This routing can be tuff for just a pure MR it will beat you up so I commend all that have done it as a true MR. As I said I did a layover both ways 1 day in NYC which can make a ton difference. Easy to take the E train to Queensboro plaza hotels right there. You can take the N/Q train up a few stops to Astoria for great dinner places let me know if you want some suggestions on some excellent Greek restaurants. On the way back through NY took the E train a few more stops into Manhattan and turned in some Marriott points to stay at the Residence Inn on Broadway & 54th Street right next to the station that is a great hotel as all residence inn rooms start at 35 floor and great views of central park.
Hotels in Singapore: If your going to stay a couple of days, Royal Plaza on Scott you can get it for about $130 on Hotwire right next to the Orchard station, Hotel Jen by Orchard Gateway, Somerset station right below hotel, this is a brand new hotel opened in September and great infinity pool if your going to do some RR this would be a good choice it is about $200 a night but worth it. Village at Changi hotel is close to the airport with a free shuttle problem is for Delta flights it only runs 5am-12am so tuff with Delta flight times cab is about $15 SD to the airport, great hawker stand next to hotel and the Italian restaurant top floor has really good food and is not that expensive for Singapore. The other problem with the Delta arrival flight is the MRT does not run after 12am so you either need to take a taxi to city center, stay at the airport or airport hotel and next day take the MRT into the city which is easy.
Ok SIN mileage runners have fun!
Happy Travels! Cheers!
Last edited by Csfing1; Dec 7, 2014 at 3:43 am Reason: Spelling
#780
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Last Chance for 2014
$1301.40 ai 25,096 MQM 5.19 cpm Dec 9-12, not as good as past few weeks but better than anything else you will see fit the rest of the year! LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
SFO Dep
$1386.38 ai 25,318 MQM 5.48 cpm Dec 9-12 SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
Other dates in 2014 much higher!
Happy Travels! Cheers!
SFO Dep
$1386.38 ai 25,318 MQM 5.48 cpm Dec 9-12 SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
Other dates in 2014 much higher!
Happy Travels! Cheers!
Last edited by Csfing1; Dec 8, 2014 at 2:36 am Reason: Add SFO fare