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If you have done this trip please help improve the wiki!
Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?
Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.
How do I search for dates/prices?
One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
- outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
- inbound: dl+ nrt dtw
NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box
See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)
You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)
I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
- you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
- if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
- for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
- call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover
Do I need a visa?
No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.
What are the best seats?
Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
- one vote for the bulkhead in C+
- DL forum omnibus C+ thread: FAQ: Comfort+ Seating
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread
Will there be wifi on the international legs?
DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.
777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked
Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.
FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)
Other related threads:
Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)
Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet
SIN airport facilities
If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)
Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels
Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.
FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges
Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.
There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.
NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.
Things to do in SIN
In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.
SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.
Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9
Things to do on a long connection through NRT:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html
Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread
There is free wifi in NRT.
Returning to the US
Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)
You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.
Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.
Relevant FT threads:
- CLEAR - worthwhile use of $179? in theTrusted Travelers Forum
- DL-specific thread in the DL Forum
Returning via ATL:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread
CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.
For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.
(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)
Returning via DTW:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread
When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.
The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.
Duty Free Liquids
This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:
http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule
FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight
If you have any experience with this, please share!
IRROPS handling:
Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html
Trip Reports/Tips:
2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb
2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep
2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2
2013: Oct
[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)
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Narita flights typically depart from one of the gates near the connector to the B terminal at Detroit. 46 minutes is plenty of time, but hey, maybe Delta will cause you to miss it for something on their end and re-book you into business-class.
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Everyone who does the quick turn in Singapore is crazy. You should spend a day in Singapore. Or at least leave the airport and get into the city to see the lights and walk through Gardens by the Bay with the science fiction-like manmade trees.
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In addition, you can jump off to lots of SE Asia locations for cheap from SIN. There are a lot of options other than the quick turn, if time permits.
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I wanted to do the DTW-NRT WITH 40 minutes layout, was not sure icouldnake it and luckily I got ATL-HKG cheap. Will probably do DTW-NRT this year. Please let us know how the connection worked
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You still have enough time in Singapore to head into the city, enjoy some of the lighted architecture, maybe even catch some late-night street food and then head back to the airport. My flight the other day landed a full 45 minutes early in Singapore.
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I'm a long-time lurker, but this thread has been very helpful. Just booked DCA-DTW-NRT-SIN round trip in Delta One. I was excited about the MQM (30,675) and the miles were good too (21,670). But, the best part was being able to get a final ride in a DL 747 before they're retired. CPM is not great. The fare was $4,462, so cpm was 20.6 and cpMQM was 14.5 -- not as good as others have achieved. But, I hope this makes for a great trip report.
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For anyone thinking it might be nice to combine a MR with actually staying a few days, plans for the 2018 SIN DO have been officially announced:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/commu...an-2018-a.html
I went last year and had a great time, although it was only loosely organized and a lot of stuff was planned/coordinated in the thread only at the last minute. That was totally fine by me, and I also arrived a couple days earlier to explore on my own, but just be aware that it isn't highly structured.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/commu...an-2018-a.html
I went last year and had a great time, although it was only loosely organized and a lot of stuff was planned/coordinated in the thread only at the last minute. That was totally fine by me, and I also arrived a couple days earlier to explore on my own, but just be aware that it isn't highly structured.
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For anyone thinking it might be nice to combine a MR with actually staying a few days, plans for the 2018 SIN DO have been officially announced:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/commu...an-2018-a.html
I went last year and had a great time, although it was only loosely organized and a lot of stuff was planned/coordinated in the thread only at the last minute. That was totally fine by me, and I also arrived a couple days earlier to explore on my own, but just be aware that it isn't highly structured.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/commu...an-2018-a.html
I went last year and had a great time, although it was only loosely organized and a lot of stuff was planned/coordinated in the thread only at the last minute. That was totally fine by me, and I also arrived a couple days earlier to explore on my own, but just be aware that it isn't highly structured.
China Eastern was ~$500.
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Fares Sep 8 IAH SIN
Still have fares Mon Wed and Thr in Sep and first week of Oct for $707.46 IAH ATL/DTW NRT SIN NRT ATL/DTW IAH available Mon out ret Wed or Thr and some Fri ret for $707.46 and 21,602 - 21,734 MQM. If you go thru DTW you get 744 and ATL 777. If you need the MQM go for it. Watch out for ATL next week because of Irma, our flight on Sep 13 is out thru DTW so should be ok. 744 to NRT UD! J for whole trip Sep 13-20!
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Positioning flight SMF SLC IAH Sep 12
Positioning flight SMF SLC IAH received notice this am that all legs are now FC which is good news but not unexpected for tomorrow's flight. Will have 7 hr layover till dep IAH DTW NRT SIN on Sep 13. If anyone is doing a MR to SIN on Wed let us know. Would be happy to meet you in SC in NRT or on plane. Send me a PM with your flight info.
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Positioning flight SMF SLC IAH received notice this am that all legs are now FC which is good news but not unexpected for tomorrow's flight. Will have 7 hr layover till dep IAH DTW NRT SIN on Sep 13. If anyone is doing a MR to SIN on Wed let us know. Would be happy to meet you in SC in NRT or on plane. Send me a PM with your flight info.
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If you are leaving on Sep 13 we should be on same flight NRT SIN and we might be able to meet up at SC at NRT. There will be 2 more on DTW NRT. PM me with contact info and we should be able to meet in NRT at SC. Have you been thru NRT before and what time does your flight get to NRT? We will be in SIN til Sep 20 as we have work to do.