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Old Oct 24, 2015, 5:28 am
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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Aug 26, 2017, 4:26 pm
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Unless you have a boarding pass (paper) for your return flight, you will have to wait until the transfer desk opens - roughly 3 hours before the flight departure. The transfer desk is located in the part of the airport between where you deplane and immigration/customs. There are places to sleep and some shops though. (this is not the departure area with the lounges)

Alternatively, you can choose to go through immigration/customs, check-in using the automated kiosks to get your boarding pass and then pass through immigration/security to get to the departure level. There is a Skyteam lounge (open 5:30am - 1:30am) as well as 24-hour Plaza Premium lounge (Priority Pass.)

There are some threads about what to do with a 12 hour layover:

Hong Kong 12 Hour Layover - Late Night/Early AM

Advice / HKG layover

One night in Hong Kong / New to city - links to other threads as well




Originally Posted by Love_Travel
How Can i spend 12 hour turnaround in HKG doing a mileage run ATL-HKG-ATL Delta Labor day weekend.
Is there Delta sky club? Do I have to clear customs and return thru security or can I stay in inside the airport

Or is it a better idea to fly one day earlier, stay for a day in HKG and fly back (Same cost) - I never visited HKG, so appreciate your help. Do I need a visa if i hold US passport?
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Old Aug 26, 2017, 6:32 pm
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Thank you canuck_traveler for your post. Very helpful. I went through the threads.

On the seats - C+ or Exit rows? Which is a better choice

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Old Aug 26, 2017, 7:19 pm
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It looks like you can get economy-class tickets to Hong Kong from Toronto on Delta for under $500 on select dates in October, November and December, according to Google Flights.
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Old Aug 26, 2017, 7:51 pm
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It is a personal preference .... I like C+ more than exit rows.


Originally Posted by Love_Travel
Thank you canuck_traveler for your post. Very helpful. I went through the threads.

On the seats - C+ or Exit rows? Which is a better choice
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Old Aug 26, 2017, 9:06 pm
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Originally Posted by Love_Travel
How Can i spend 12 hour turnaround in HKG doing a mileage run ATL-HKG-ATL Delta Labor day weekend.
Is there Delta sky club? Do I have to clear customs and return thru security or can I stay in inside the airport

Or is it a better idea to fly one day earlier, stay for a day in HKG and fly back (Same cost) - I never visited HKG, so appreciate your help. Do I need a visa if i hold US passport?
No visa needed for US Passport Holders to visit Hong Kong for up to 90 days. Make sure your passport is valid for at least 6 months after you return from your planned visit.
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Old Aug 26, 2017, 9:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Love_Travel
Thank you canuck_traveler for your post. Very helpful. I went through the threads.

On the seats - C+ or Exit rows? Which is a better choice
Make sure your exit seat doesn't have limited recline as some of the exit row seats have this problem.
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Old Aug 28, 2017, 1:25 pm
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Smile Kudos to DM Desk and Important Lesson

IAH is closed - will it be closed Tue night when my wife's flight arrives SIN NRT ATL IAH - probably but as of now flight 2772 ATL IAH is listed as on time and all earlier flights ATL IAH for Tue are cancelled. Pro active or reactive? Last night requested change so IAH could be avoided - DM desk worked out SIN NRT SEA SMF but there was a $500 charge to reissue ticket. Thank you but not interested in paying $500 more and less MQM. Ticket SMF IAH SMF is positioning flight using SM. Call DM desk today, explained situation and positioning flight IAH SMF on Wed. She worked it out ATL SLC SMF and arrives at 10:59 pm Tue. No charge or more miles needed. Lesson - if first rep is not able to work things out, thank them, and call back later and speak to another and if your request is reasonable it will probably work out. She could have waited to arrive in ATL and than try to work things out or try on the plane but is easier for me to call and do it for her. She will miss the last leg ATL IAH but will also avoid the cancelled flight and confusion at IAH. Much easier to talk with someone. Thanked her and told her that she was another one of the reasons that we fly DL and that we helped to pay her salary and she thanked us for our business and loyalty. WIN WIN for all concerned. It was hot yesterday in Roseville - 106 but is supposed to make it to 109 today. Glad I walked my 3 miles when it was cooler!

Have a wonderful day, happy travels, pray for those in Texas who have lost loved ones and homes and been flooded out and be grateful for the blessings of life. You can always donate through the Red Cross to help those in need and hurting in Texas.

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Old Aug 31, 2017, 2:10 pm
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Mult dates Sep thru first wk Oct
$707.46-$713.06 Sun or Mon dep back in 2-4 days, great prices they want to fill planes. Itin IAH ATL/DTW NRT SIN NRT ATL/DTW IAH 21,000 MQM good fares for MR. Just do it! Happy Travels! Blessings! IAH is open!
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Old Sep 2, 2017, 11:41 am
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Just booked LGA-DTW-(QotS)-NRT-SIN<>SIN-NRT-PDX-JFK for a weekend run with the Mrs who needs the miles to retain DM perks.
It's a weekend, one day in SIN, trip we both got for $750 (Sept 28-Oct 1). Cheaper prices for earlier in the week.
One GUC cleared at booking for NRT-PDX, and mine for same flight just cleared (2 days after booking)

Also, a note about HKG - just off line with DM desk who said that HKG recently instituted the 'luxury' tax for Business passengers. So if upgraded, there will be a monetary charge to go along with it. (not sure if this has been covered before, DM desk said it was very recent for Asian hubs to start implementing...that apparently London, Paris and Ghana already have)
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Old Sep 2, 2017, 1:32 pm
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Thank you. I am doing ATL-HKG-ATL tomorrow. (540$) I still see few C+ seats, but choose exit row. Booked a room in Hong Kong SkyCity Marriott Hotel for overnight stay.

Originally Posted by BHammy
Just booked LGA-DTW-(QotS)-NRT-SIN<>SIN-NRT-PDX-JFK for a weekend run with the Mrs who needs the miles to retain DM perks.
It's a weekend, one day in SIN, trip we both got for $750 (Sept 28-Oct 1). Cheaper prices for earlier in the week.
One GUC cleared at booking for NRT-PDX, and mine for same flight just cleared (2 days after booking)

Also, a note about HKG - just off line with DM desk who said that HKG recently instituted the 'luxury' tax for Business passengers. So if upgraded, there will be a monetary charge to go along with it. (not sure if this has been covered before, DM desk said it was very recent for Asian hubs to start implementing...that apparently London, Paris and Ghana already have)
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Old Sep 3, 2017, 9:31 am
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Thanks

Just to say thanks for the info in this thread, just helped me with my booking
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Old Sep 3, 2017, 10:24 am
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Originally Posted by a4c
Just to say thanks for the info in this thread, just helped me with my booking
Welcome to Flyertalk!

If you post when you're going, you might get to meet some of your fellow FTers. Who knows
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Old Sep 3, 2017, 11:24 am
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Doing LAX-IAD-DTW-NRT-SIN and back on 9/11 if anyone is going the same time
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Old Sep 3, 2017, 11:38 am
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Originally Posted by calvn911
Doing LAX-IAD-DTW-NRT-SIN and back on 9/11 if anyone is going the same time
Close but looks like we're a day off:
9/9 LAX-MSP-IAH
9/10 IAH-DTW-NRT-SIN
9/12 SIN-NRT-ATL-IAH
9/13 IAH-LAX (on cheap AA ticket)

Upgraded on all flights on 9/10 and 9/12 except for DTW-NRT (looks like a longshot).

Should find out as early as today whether I get a medallion upgrade on LAX-MSP-IAH for 9/9.

Only worry is 46-minute cxn in DTW to catch my Narita flight. Should be fine if plane arrives on time though it's a regional jet from IAH and often lands in B terminal. May have to gate check a bag as well!
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I'll be doing IAH-ATL-NRT-SIN 9/19-9/20
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