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If you have done this trip please help improve the wiki!
If you have done this trip please help improve the wiki!
Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?
Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN
FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.How do I search for dates/prices?
One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
- outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
- inbound: dl+ nrt dtw
NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box
See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)
You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)
I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
- you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
- if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
- for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
- call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover
Do I need a visa?
No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.
What are the best seats?
Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
- one vote for the bulkhead in C+
- DL forum omnibus C+ thread: FAQ: Comfort+ Seating
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread
Will there be wifi on the international legs?
DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.
777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked
Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.
FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)
Other related threads:
Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)
Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet
SIN airport facilities
If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)
Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels
Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.
FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges
Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.
There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.
NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.
Things to do in SIN
In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.
SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.
Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9
Things to do on a long connection through NRT:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html
Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread
There is free wifi in NRT.
Returning to the US
Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)
You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.
Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.
Relevant FT threads:
- CLEAR - worthwhile use of $179? in theTrusted Travelers Forum
- DL-specific thread in the DL Forum
Returning via ATL:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread
CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.
For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.
(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)
Returning via DTW:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread
When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.
The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.
Duty Free Liquids
This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:
http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule
FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight
If you have any experience with this, please share!
IRROPS handling:
Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html
Trip Reports/Tips:
2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb
2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep
2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2
2013: Oct
[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)
Oct 15, 2013, 3:49 pm
#196
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
How many have made one of these runs or are planning to make one?
Since many have checked this thread, am interested in how many have made the run or already have a reservation and are planning to make one before the end of this year? It is long but at the correct price in cpm it may help you achieve the level you want before next year when you have to think about MQD or the way I prefer, a spend on AMX card is far easier as long as you always pay your bill each month, don't ever carry a balance, and you can earn an additional 10,000 to 30,000 MQM depending on your card and spend on the card.
Enjoy the week and congrats to one of the readers who should be finishing up today with more than 30,000 MQM.
Happy travels to all and Cheers!
Enjoy the week and congrats to one of the readers who should be finishing up today with more than 30,000 MQM.
Happy travels to all and Cheers!
Last edited by Csfing1; Oct 16, 2013 at 2:09 pm Reason: Correct MQM for AMX Cards
Oct 16, 2013, 12:24 pm
#197
Join Date: May 2011
Location: DFW
Programs: DL-PM/SC; UA-1K; HH Diamond
Posts: 303
Since many have checked this thread, am interested in how many have made the run or already have a reservation and are planning to make one before the end of this year? It is long but at the correct price in cpm it may help you achieve the level you want before next year when you have to think about MQD or the way I prefer, a spend on AMX card is far easier as long as you always pay your bill each month, don't ever carry a balance, and you can earn an additional 10,000 to 60,000 MQM depending on your card and spend on the card.
Enjoy the week and congrats to one of the readers who should be finishing up today with more than 30,000 MQM.
Happy travels to all and Cheers!
Enjoy the week and congrats to one of the readers who should be finishing up today with more than 30,000 MQM.
Happy travels to all and Cheers!
The whole trip went FUBAR when, in my FINAL leg mind you (ATL-DFW), the light above the emergeny exit literally caught fire while we were boarding. They evacuated the plane back into the terminal and some 5-6 hours later I was finally home. I was wiped. I slept for 13 hours last night. Only sleeping 3-4 hours at a time, for 4 days straight, really got to me (even got the UG to a flatbed on my last LAX-ATL leg).
Final routing was DFW-ATL-LAX-ATL-NRT-SIN-NRT-JFK-LAX-ATL-DFW (had to change positioning flight due to work schedule; which they were nice enough to cover the difference in fare); 30,0018 miles for roughly $1050, or about 3.5 CPM. Not sure I could make this trip multiple times, but at least I can say I have done it. Good luck to those doing it!
bartmas
Oct 16, 2013, 1:27 pm
#198
Original Member
Join Date: May 1998
Location: MYOB
Posts: 82
^^ Any tips for lower back support? Making this run Thanksgiving weekend,however planning to arrive on Sun in SIN,spend 24hrs and then return on the Mon..working from home both weeks so should be able to get a kip in here and there..
Oct 16, 2013, 2:17 pm
#199
Join Date: May 2011
Location: DFW
Programs: DL-PM/SC; UA-1K; HH Diamond
Posts: 303
Nothing I tried worked. I tried sitting on the pillow, using it for lower back support, sitting differently... you name it, I tried it. I was even "that guy" that propped my feet up on the bulkhead (my feet were wrapped up in the blanket and not actually touching the wall). It is just a looooong time sitting.
My bright idea to go east before west on my positioning flights didn't help the cause any either though.
Enjoy the trip!
My bright idea to go east before west on my positioning flights didn't help the cause any either though.
Enjoy the trip!
Oct 17, 2013, 3:19 pm
#200
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Memphis, TN
Programs: DL-DM, Hilton-Dia
Posts: 196
the other crazy traveler.
It is a hard trip to make. My lower back hurt by the time I got to NRT the first time. Checking back in at the transfer desk in SIN, the agent asked why I was leaving after only being in SIN for 3-4 hours. After I explained the low fare and high miles, she pointed to two guys and asked if I knew the other 2 travelers making the same turn. It was nice to finally meet someone as crazy as me. One of them was the infamous MBWMBW. Heck of a nice guy really. We rode together from SIN-NRT-JFK-LAX. In fact, he and I were the only two to get the UG on JFK-LAX.
The whole trip went FUBAR when, in my FINAL leg mind you (ATL-DFW), the light above the emergeny exit literally caught fire while we were boarding. They evacuated the plane back into the terminal and some 5-6 hours later I was finally home. I was wiped. I slept for 13 hours last night. Only sleeping 3-4 hours at a time, for 4 days straight, really got to me (even got the UG to a flatbed on my last LAX-ATL leg).
Final routing was DFW-ATL-LAX-ATL-NRT-SIN-NRT-JFK-LAX-ATL-DFW (had to change positioning flight due to work schedule; which they were nice enough to cover the difference in fare); 30,0018 miles for roughly $1050, or about 3.5 CPM. Not sure I could make this trip multiple times, but at least I can say I have done it. Good luck to those doing it!
bartmas
The whole trip went FUBAR when, in my FINAL leg mind you (ATL-DFW), the light above the emergeny exit literally caught fire while we were boarding. They evacuated the plane back into the terminal and some 5-6 hours later I was finally home. I was wiped. I slept for 13 hours last night. Only sleeping 3-4 hours at a time, for 4 days straight, really got to me (even got the UG to a flatbed on my last LAX-ATL leg).
Final routing was DFW-ATL-LAX-ATL-NRT-SIN-NRT-JFK-LAX-ATL-DFW (had to change positioning flight due to work schedule; which they were nice enough to cover the difference in fare); 30,0018 miles for roughly $1050, or about 3.5 CPM. Not sure I could make this trip multiple times, but at least I can say I have done it. Good luck to those doing it!
bartmas
Oct 17, 2013, 3:26 pm
#201
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Memphis, TN
Programs: DL-DM, Hilton-Dia
Posts: 196
I was the other guy in SIN. What a last leg for you! MBWMBW & I have the same solution for more sleep: Slam down 3-4 Woodfords as soon as the beverage service starts. If it doesn't help you sleep, it might help your back. hope to see you on another MR.
Oct 18, 2013, 1:39 am
#202
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Thanks for your posts and thoughts and Congratulations on your MR!
Thanks Bartmas and 1Banker for sharing your thoughts and experiences. I prefer an aisle seat and get up and move around if I am not sleeping which I often do on those long runs ATL NRT, NRT JFK, the NRT SIN NRT is only about half the time of the other runs and it is always longer heading west than heading east. Am doing MR Nov 11-14 LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX, if anyone else is going those days let me know. I think Bartmas has the record for most MQM in 96 hours with over 30,000 at an excellent price of <3.5 cpm!
After walking do some gentle stretching, this might help the back and if it gets too bad, have some Tylenol. Keep well hydrated and drink lots of water and move or walk as you don't want a deep vein thrombosis.
Happy Travels! Cheers!
After walking do some gentle stretching, this might help the back and if it gets too bad, have some Tylenol. Keep well hydrated and drink lots of water and move or walk as you don't want a deep vein thrombosis.
Happy Travels! Cheers!
Oct 18, 2013, 4:05 pm
#203
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Prices on Oct 18
Prices mixed, up and down slightly, 4.72 - 4.82 cpm
LAX Departures - $.40
$1209.30 ai 25,096 MQM 4.82 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
for Nov 10-13, 11-14, 17-20, 18-21. Jan 2014, other dates are higher!
SFO Departures - $69.40
$1195.30 ai 25,318 MQM 4.72 cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
for Nov 10-13,11-14, 17-20, 18-21, 24-27, 25-28. Jan 2014, other dates fare higher!
SMF Departures + $29.60
$1164.30 ai 24,542 MQM 4.74 cpm SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF
For Nov 10-13, 11-14, 24-27, Jan 2014, other dates are higher
Nov 18-21 is $15 higher at $1149.70 ai 4.68 cpm
DL having sale to Asia till Oct 19. Fares pretty good week of Thanksgiving if you need a MR before end of year. Don't wait too long! Happy Travels! Have a great weekend! Who will be in the World Series! Cheers!
LAX Departures - $.40
$1209.30 ai 25,096 MQM 4.82 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
for Nov 10-13, 11-14, 17-20, 18-21. Jan 2014, other dates are higher!
SFO Departures - $69.40
$1195.30 ai 25,318 MQM 4.72 cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
for Nov 10-13,11-14, 17-20, 18-21, 24-27, 25-28. Jan 2014, other dates fare higher!
SMF Departures + $29.60
$1164.30 ai 24,542 MQM 4.74 cpm SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF
For Nov 10-13, 11-14, 24-27, Jan 2014, other dates are higher
Nov 18-21 is $15 higher at $1149.70 ai 4.68 cpm
DL having sale to Asia till Oct 19. Fares pretty good week of Thanksgiving if you need a MR before end of year. Don't wait too long! Happy Travels! Have a great weekend! Who will be in the World Series! Cheers!
Oct 20, 2013, 6:53 am
#204
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: FL
Programs: DL PM, SPG PLT, HHONORS DIA, Emerald Exc Elt
Posts: 11
My first post, and my first MR
Finally broke the ice. I started flying heavily back in February after a few years of just leisure flying here and there. I'm 6 segments away from DM with DL and will complete that by 11/2, but joining you guys has been the most exciting happening in my recent months.
I will book this run and a few Other as I need to bump miles. I've been able to achieve my status solely on segments and I've made some segment runs on my own, but now want miles to help with mqm for next year. You guys are great and I look forward to learning and providing with info as well.
Home base is TPA, and most segments for me are though ATL, but lately have booked to DTW to add miles and it's worked great.
Also executive elite with emerald at over 500 rental days thus year and 96 rentals. Multiples at same time... Will do status match with AA once hitting DM with DL, already have email from AA and will match Hertz, but I'm in love with national.
I use Google to find the cheapest, longest runs from tpa or one of my destinations, but I'm sure I'll learn from here what's the best way to put these runs together.
Thank you guys, looking forward to seeing someone from here somewhere.
I will book this run and a few Other as I need to bump miles. I've been able to achieve my status solely on segments and I've made some segment runs on my own, but now want miles to help with mqm for next year. You guys are great and I look forward to learning and providing with info as well.
Home base is TPA, and most segments for me are though ATL, but lately have booked to DTW to add miles and it's worked great.
Also executive elite with emerald at over 500 rental days thus year and 96 rentals. Multiples at same time... Will do status match with AA once hitting DM with DL, already have email from AA and will match Hertz, but I'm in love with national.
I use Google to find the cheapest, longest runs from tpa or one of my destinations, but I'm sure I'll learn from here what's the best way to put these runs together.
Thank you guys, looking forward to seeing someone from here somewhere.
Oct 20, 2013, 9:50 am
#205
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
MR in Nov
Finally broke the ice. I started flying heavily back in February after a few years of just leisure flying here and there. I'm 6 segments away from DM with DL and will complete that by 11/2, but joining you guys has been the most exciting happening in my recent months.
I will book this run and a few Other as I need to bump miles. I've been able to achieve my status solely on segments and I've made some segment runs on my own, but now want miles to help with mqm for next year. You guys are great and I look forward to learning and providing with info as well.
Home base is TPA, and most segments for me are though ATL, but lately have booked to DTW to add miles and it's worked great.
Also executive elite with emerald at over 500 rental days thus year and 96 rentals. Multiples at same time... Will do status match with AA once hitting DM with DL, already have email from AA and will match Hertz, but I'm in love with national.
I use Google to find the cheapest, longest runs from tpa or one of my destinations, but I'm sure I'll learn from here what's the best way to put these runs together.
Thank you guys, looking forward to seeing someone from here somewhere.
I will book this run and a few Other as I need to bump miles. I've been able to achieve my status solely on segments and I've made some segment runs on my own, but now want miles to help with mqm for next year. You guys are great and I look forward to learning and providing with info as well.
Home base is TPA, and most segments for me are though ATL, but lately have booked to DTW to add miles and it's worked great.
Also executive elite with emerald at over 500 rental days thus year and 96 rentals. Multiples at same time... Will do status match with AA once hitting DM with DL, already have email from AA and will match Hertz, but I'm in love with national.
I use Google to find the cheapest, longest runs from tpa or one of my destinations, but I'm sure I'll learn from here what's the best way to put these runs together.
Thank you guys, looking forward to seeing someone from here somewhere.
Oct 20, 2013, 1:08 pm
#207
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
You probably already know this but you will need a passport that doesn't expire until 6 mo after date of your trip, even though you will not go thru immigration in SIN, DL won't let you board the plane without one and you will need one to get back into the US. Let me know what works out. Happy Travels! Cheers!
Oct 21, 2013, 11:14 am
#208
Join Date: Mar 2009
Programs: IC.Spire Amb. Turkish Elite
Posts: 222
Finally broke the ice. I started flying heavily back in February after a few years of just leisure flying here and there. I'm 6 segments away from DM with DL and will complete that by 11/2, but joining you guys has been the most exciting happening in my recent months.
I will book this run and a few Other as I need to bump miles. I've been able to achieve my status solely on segments and I've made some segment runs on my own, but now want miles to help with mqm for next year. You guys are great and I look forward to learning and providing with info as well.
Home base is TPA, and most segments for me are though ATL, but lately have booked to DTW to add miles and it's worked great.
Also executive elite with emerald at over 500 rental days thus year and 96 rentals. Multiples at same time... Will do status match with AA once hitting DM with DL, already have email from AA and will match Hertz, but I'm in love with national.
I use Google to find the cheapest, longest runs from tpa or one of my destinations, but I'm sure I'll learn from here what's the best way to put these runs together.
Thank you guys, looking forward to seeing someone from here somewhere.
I will book this run and a few Other as I need to bump miles. I've been able to achieve my status solely on segments and I've made some segment runs on my own, but now want miles to help with mqm for next year. You guys are great and I look forward to learning and providing with info as well.
Home base is TPA, and most segments for me are though ATL, but lately have booked to DTW to add miles and it's worked great.
Also executive elite with emerald at over 500 rental days thus year and 96 rentals. Multiples at same time... Will do status match with AA once hitting DM with DL, already have email from AA and will match Hertz, but I'm in love with national.
I use Google to find the cheapest, longest runs from tpa or one of my destinations, but I'm sure I'll learn from here what's the best way to put these runs together.
Thank you guys, looking forward to seeing someone from here somewhere.
Got a couple of butt busting flights to SIN and JNB.
Chance of meeting on Nov 16 if you are on SFO-MSP-TPA
Oct 22, 2013, 12:30 am
#209
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Not flying on Nov 16
My flights are: Nov 11-14 LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX and Nov 24-27 SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF. Outbound on Nov 12 have 6+ hrs between flights, most will be at SC at JFK most of the time and also at NRT and SIN about 4 hrs between flights, ret flights much less time at NRT and JFK, am hoping for UG between LAX JFK both out and ret. If anyone is on those runs let me know. Happy travels and have a great week! Cheers!
Oct 22, 2013, 4:27 pm
#210
Original Member
Join Date: May 1998
Location: MYOB
Posts: 82
For those doing these runs..was it worth grabbing EC seats? The back of the plane looks wide open, and I envision myself being able to grab 4 seats back there to sleep..knowing my luck, I will get stuck with a family with a crying baby...I am doing my run Thanksgiving w/e...hopefully most sane folks will be with their families celebrating the holidays...