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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?
Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.
How do I search for dates/prices?
One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
- outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
- inbound: dl+ nrt dtw
NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box
See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)
You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)
I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
- you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
- if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
- for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
- call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover
Do I need a visa?
No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.
What are the best seats?
Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
- one vote for the bulkhead in C+
- DL forum omnibus C+ thread: FAQ: Comfort+ Seating
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread
Will there be wifi on the international legs?
DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.
777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked
Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.
FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)
Other related threads:
Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)
Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet
SIN airport facilities
If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)
Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels
Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.
FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges
Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.
There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.
NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.
Things to do in SIN
In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.
SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.
Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9
Things to do on a long connection through NRT:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html
Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread
There is free wifi in NRT.
Returning to the US
Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)
You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.
Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.
Relevant FT threads:
- CLEAR - worthwhile use of $179? in theTrusted Travelers Forum
- DL-specific thread in the DL Forum
Returning via ATL:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread
CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.
For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.
(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)
Returning via DTW:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread
When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.
The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.
Duty Free Liquids
This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:
http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule
FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight
If you have any experience with this, please share!
IRROPS handling:
Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html
Trip Reports/Tips:
2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb
2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep
2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2
2013: Oct
[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)
#1981
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I've seen possibilities out of LAS before too, so that's another one to consider, and also with positioning flights frequently available for 5,500 pesos one-way from west coast cities (I think 5,500 is the new 5000)
#1982
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Need some help
I've moved to So Cal and would love to duplicate NICHELLE's SAN-JFK-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-SAN with rides on the DL 747 but i cannot get it to work in Google Flights. Would appreciate any help possible.
Here's what I tried:
https://www.google.com/flights/#sear...017-09-05;tt=m
Here's what I tried:
https://www.google.com/flights/#sear...017-09-05;tt=m
#1983
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SoCal
Your best bet is to use the ITA matrix and play around with dates and departure locations to get the best deal.
#1984
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There are various dates Sep to Nov IAH DTW/ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL/DTW for <$600 most require at least a 1 day stay in SIN. Prices from DL.com. Had booked one earlier for $692 but checked tonight and price was $582 with 21,668 MQM 2.69 cpm so cancelled earlier res and rebooked, saved $109/ticket. Am very grateful that God inspired me to check again tonight. IAT DTW NRT SIN NRT ATL IAH. Returning thru DTW cost more so will return thru ATL. Wait listed for J using GUC even though there are more than 40 seats open on OB DTW NRT. Keep checking different dates Sep - Nov. Thanksgiving week Nov 20-23 $588.32 2.72 cpm thru DTW both ways and 36 hrs in SIN.
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CHI is another origin city to throw in your searches. @InStock - routing through JFK pretty much died (at any decent price) with the end of the JFK-NRT nonstop. ATL-NRT, DTW-NRT, ATL-DTW-NRT still work.
Just booked ORD-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-ORD, 20,443 miles for $534/ea, or 2.612cpm. In Nov, a Tuesday departure and Monday return. Hopping up to Siem Reap for a few days in between.
Best part - zero cash. Still trying to use up $3600 in VDB vouchers . I thought it would be easy, but the fares they're throwing out this year have been so low that it's proving difficult.
Just booked ORD-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-ORD, 20,443 miles for $534/ea, or 2.612cpm. In Nov, a Tuesday departure and Monday return. Hopping up to Siem Reap for a few days in between.
Best part - zero cash. Still trying to use up $3600 in VDB vouchers . I thought it would be easy, but the fares they're throwing out this year have been so low that it's proving difficult.
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I booked two sub-$550 airfares out of Chicago Midway the other day: (1) MDW-DTW-NRT-MNL/MNL-NRT-PDX-MSP-MDW and (2) MDW-DTW-NRT-SIN/SIN-NRT-DTW-MDW.
I'm waitlisted with my global upgrade. Delta would have cleared my global had I went to Singapore through Atlanta and Seoul. It would have also netted me about 400 more MQMS, but I didn't want to sit in Korean Air economy-class for Seoul-Singapore.
For Singapore, I'm netting something like 20,480 MQMs as a diamond.
By the way, I just saw some sub-$600 OAK-SLC-SEA-ICN-SIN/SIN-NRT-SEA-SLC-OAK airfares for November on Google Flights.
I'm waitlisted with my global upgrade. Delta would have cleared my global had I went to Singapore through Atlanta and Seoul. It would have also netted me about 400 more MQMS, but I didn't want to sit in Korean Air economy-class for Seoul-Singapore.
For Singapore, I'm netting something like 20,480 MQMs as a diamond.
By the way, I just saw some sub-$600 OAK-SLC-SEA-ICN-SIN/SIN-NRT-SEA-SLC-OAK airfares for November on Google Flights.
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I actually had to manually write down the flights and have the Delta agent book mine segment-by-segment to get the best airfare and apply a $400 voucher -- making one of my two status runs a "free" flight. Once I had to hang up and call back as the diamond desk agent didn't know how to do it. If you know the legal routing rules you could probably get upwards of 21,000 MQMs but I couldn't get anything with more than three connections at the right price.
I was also able to replicate the super-low airfares through the American Express Travel website, but I wouldn't have been able to use my Delta voucher.
If you can replicate on Delta.dumb you could use pay-with-miles to make it even cheaper. For me, it's all about status and global upgrade certificates -- not redeemable miles -- for when I don't have a client to pay $7,000 for a business-class Delta airfare.
By the way, yesterday Delta was willing to clear global upgrade certificates for SIN via ATL and ICN in August and September, but you'll need to ride Korean economy between ICN and SIN. Upgrades on Delta metal to/from NRT were not clearing for August and September flights.
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Thanks for the quick reply hockeyinsider, I'll keep playing around with the calendar to try to find some sub $700 fares. I'm all in for the status and as well; love the global upgrade certificates
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SIN-NRT-SEA-MSP-MDW Nov 8
$635 https://goo.gl/flights/nLBF
YYZ-DTW-ICN-SIN Nov 6 (arrive after midnight Nov 8)
SIN-NRT-DTW-YYZ Nov 8
$741 https://goo.gl/flights/lB2y
LGA-DTW-NRT-SIN June 1 (arrive after midnight June 3)
SIN-NRT-DTW-LGA June 6
$656 https://goo.gl/flights/Jr39
LGA-MSP-HND-NRT-SIN June 3 (arrive after midnight June 5)
SIN-NRT-DTW-LGA June 6
$701 https://goo.gl/flights/bw0b
Note you need to get from Tokyo-HND to Tokyo-NRT
LGA-DTW-NRT-SIN June 4 (arrive after midnight June 6)
SIN-NRT-DTW-LGA June 7
$799 https://goo.gl/flights/Ltm7
LGA-ATL-NRT-SIN Aug 26 (layover in ATL, arrive Aug 28)
SIN-NRT-DTW-CMH-LGA Aug 29
$666 https://goo.gl/flights/XxpS
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Fares from IAH
Checked for fares IAH SIN IN Sep now best price around $715-720 and require one night in SIN otherwise price is $200-300 more. Best fare Thanksgiving week is $718 Nov 20-23 IAH ATL NRT SIN NRT DTW IAH 21,668 MQM 3.31 cpm. Still searching for good prices for my Dec trip. See prices for <$1000 but not enuff MQM for me to commit. IAH has some reasonable fares then but inconvenient positioning flights. Will try google.com flights and see what they give me for prices. Waitlisted for UG on TP flights DTW SIN ATL. If you see a good fare buy and than post prices because when they are <$600 they won't be around for very long. Have a great week! Please post trip reports and low prices.
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Checked for fares IAH SIN IN Sep now best price around $715-720 and require one night in SIN otherwise price is $200-300 more. Best fare Thanksgiving week is $718 Nov 20-23 IAH ATL NRT SIN NRT DTW IAH 21,668 MQM 3.31 cpm. Still searching for good prices for my Dec trip. See prices for <$1000 but not enuff MQM for me to commit. IAH has some reasonable fares then but inconvenient positioning flights. Will try google.com flights and see what they give me for prices. Waitlisted for UG on TP flights DTW SIN ATL. If you see a good fare buy and than post prices because when they are <$600 they won't be around for very long. Have a great week! Please post trip reports and low prices.
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You can ask and see if that route is poss but the price would probably change. The prices are from DL.com and you can pick the route you want and the price for that route is posted. Best price for days posted went with specific route. Variation are available but at higher price. Also these prices are not the basis e fares which are not upgradeable. Thx for your question.
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You can ask and see if that route is poss but the price would probably change. The prices are from DL.com and you can pick the route you want and the price for that route is posted. Best price for days posted went with specific route. Variation are available but at higher price. Also these prices are not the basis e fares which are not upgradeable. Thx for your question.