ex-CMB to LAX; pricing with stopovers?
Jan 5, 13, 10:12 am
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ex-CMB to LAX; pricing with stopovers?
Hi All,
I'm trying to get an F ticket ex-CMB to LAX in August (via SIN, DXB and LON) but with stopovers in DXB and/or LON. Although the fare rules seem to permit unlimited stopovers, the price multiplies by at least 5 times when I try to add in a stopover anywhere.
(E.g. A simple one way via SIN, DXB and LON prices ok for 26th August at around $2100 for example, but if I try to add a stopover in DXB from 10th August to 26th August, the price changes substantially.) Trying various dates doesn't seem to make a difference despite A class being available on all dates I want.
I've been using Matrix and Orbitz but still can't get it to work despite various permutations. Am I doing something wrong?
Thanks
I'm trying to get an F ticket ex-CMB to LAX in August (via SIN, DXB and LON) but with stopovers in DXB and/or LON. Although the fare rules seem to permit unlimited stopovers, the price multiplies by at least 5 times when I try to add in a stopover anywhere.
(E.g. A simple one way via SIN, DXB and LON prices ok for 26th August at around $2100 for example, but if I try to add a stopover in DXB from 10th August to 26th August, the price changes substantially.) Trying various dates doesn't seem to make a difference despite A class being available on all dates I want.
I've been using Matrix and Orbitz but still can't get it to work despite various permutations. Am I doing something wrong?
Thanks
Jan 5, 13, 11:25 am
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Originally Posted by Vitriol01
Hi All,
I'm trying to get an F ticket ex-CMB to LAX in August (via SIN, DXB and LON) but with stopovers in DXB and/or LON. Although the fare rules seem to permit unlimited stopovers, the price multiplies by at least 5 times when I try to add in a stopover anywhere.
(E.g. A simple one way via SIN, DXB and LON prices ok for 26th August at around $2100 for example, but if I try to add a stopover in DXB from 10th August to 26th August, the price changes substantially.) Trying various dates doesn't seem to make a difference despite A class being available on all dates I want.
I've been using Matrix and Orbitz but still can't get it to work despite various permutations. Am I doing something wrong?
Thanks
I'm trying to get an F ticket ex-CMB to LAX in August (via SIN, DXB and LON) but with stopovers in DXB and/or LON. Although the fare rules seem to permit unlimited stopovers, the price multiplies by at least 5 times when I try to add in a stopover anywhere.
(E.g. A simple one way via SIN, DXB and LON prices ok for 26th August at around $2100 for example, but if I try to add a stopover in DXB from 10th August to 26th August, the price changes substantially.) Trying various dates doesn't seem to make a difference despite A class being available on all dates I want.
I've been using Matrix and Orbitz but still can't get it to work despite various permutations. Am I doing something wrong?
Thanks
i believe you/i hit the HIP rule--ie., some stopovers are high priced, so this rule overrides the "unlimited stopover" provision
Jan 5, 13, 4:08 pm
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As alluded to above, you are incurring a Higher Intermediate Point rule. Basically, you are entitled to as many stopovers as you want but it will re-fare to the highest of CMB-LAX, CMB-DXB, DXB-LAX, CMB-LON, DXB-LON and LON-LAX.
Jan 5, 13, 4:13 pm
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Yes I've been considering this as well but the HIP rule means that if you stop over the fare must be re-priced based on the highest fare from any of your stopover points to your destination, thus precludes you from stopping over on this fare.
Jan 5, 13, 6:46 pm
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In most cases, a London stopover is possible (as are several destinations in Europe), but getting stopovers outside Europe and the US is more difficult.
Jan 5, 13, 7:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Sykes
In most cases, a London stopover is possible (as are several destinations in Europe), but getting stopovers outside Europe and the US is more difficult.
US: i stopped at MIA. but could hv also done at several other cities
stops I couldn't do without hitting HIP were SIN and MLE
Jan 6, 13, 3:13 am
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Any stopover in IATA region 3 (=i.e. Asia) will definitely trigger a HIP check and a substantial increase in fare.
Stopovers in IATA region 2 (=i.e. Europe) are possible in select markets for which a HIP exemption exists somewhere in the carrier's tariff (the fare itself does not waive the HIP check!).
Stopovers in IATA region 1 (=i.e. USA) are possible without a substantial increase in fare as long as the fare to the stopover point is lower than the one to the final destination.
Stopovers in IATA region 2 (=i.e. Europe) are possible in select markets for which a HIP exemption exists somewhere in the carrier's tariff (the fare itself does not waive the HIP check!).
Stopovers in IATA region 1 (=i.e. USA) are possible without a substantial increase in fare as long as the fare to the stopover point is lower than the one to the final destination.
Jan 6, 13, 6:31 am
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Originally Posted by rcs85551
Any stopover in IATA region 3 (=i.e. Asia) will definitely trigger a HIP check and a substantial increase in fare.
Stopovers in IATA region 2 (=i.e. Europe) are possible in select markets for which a HIP exemption exists somewhere in the carrier's tariff (the fare itself does not waive the HIP check!).
Stopovers in IATA region 1 (=i.e. USA) are possible without a substantial increase in fare as long as the fare to the stopover point is lower than the one to the final destination.
Stopovers in IATA region 2 (=i.e. Europe) are possible in select markets for which a HIP exemption exists somewhere in the carrier's tariff (the fare itself does not waive the HIP check!).
Stopovers in IATA region 1 (=i.e. USA) are possible without a substantial increase in fare as long as the fare to the stopover point is lower than the one to the final destination.
Jan 6, 13, 11:38 am
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Originally Posted by Keter
Can I please get some background around this? Like to get this knowledge as need it often.
Jan 6, 13, 12:30 pm
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Originally Posted by DLATL777
Im not sure exactly what you mean, but these rules are just part of the "Fare Rules" that pertain to the given fare being discussed.
Originally Posted by rcs85551
Stopovers in IATA region 2 (=i.e. Europe) are possible in select markets for which a HIP exemption exists somewhere in the carrier's tariff (the fare itself does not waive the HIP check!).
Jan 6, 13, 4:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Gberg
Does the HIP rule also apply to layovers or just stopovers?
Every one of these tickets I have booked I have had no problem getting as long a stopover as needed in LHR, but it increased the ticket price typically by about $100.
