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DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

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Old Jan 13, 13, 10:48 pm
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DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,314.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 5.2 cpm)

25,318 MQM in 72 hrs Will have some time to explore Changi, great airport
$1314.30 ai 5.2 cpm, see last post for avail dates and routings for Sep thru Nov as of May 26, all dates are Mon out and Thr ret as these give best prices any other combinations are usually higher. Prices Jun thru Aug too high. Prices may drop after Labor Day. Cheers!

OUTBOUND Mon 11 Feb 2013 |9:20pmSFO to 1:35am 12 Feb SIN |
DL 2240 , DL 173 , DL 621
9:20pm SFO 1:35am 12 Feb SIN
Multi-Stop36 hr 15 min
JFKLayover
NRTLayover
DL 2240 Economy (T)
DL 173 Economy (T)
DL 621 Economy (T)

RETURN Thu 14 Feb 2013 |6:00amSIN to 8:49pm SFO | Multi-Stop
|DL 622 , DL 172 , DL 31
6:00am SIN 8:49pm SFO
Multi-Stop30 hr 49 min
NRTLayover
JFKLayover
DL 622 Economy (T)
DL 172 Economy (T)
DL 31 Economy (T)

Last edited by Csfing1; May 26, 13 at 10:43 am Reason: Price Change as of May 26
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Old Jan 13, 13, 11:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Csfing1 View Post
25,318 MQM in 72 hrs Will have some time to explore Changi, great airport
$1232.70 tonight

OUTBOUND Mon 11 Feb 2013 |9:20pmSFO to 1:35am 12 Feb SIN |
DL 2240 , DL 173 , DL 621
9:20pm SFO 1:35am 12 Feb SIN
Multi-Stop36 hr 15 min
JFKLayover
NRTLayover
DL 2240 Economy (T)
DL 173 Economy (T)
DL 621 Economy (T)

RETURN Thu 14 Feb 2013 |6:00amSIN to 8:49pm SFO | Multi-Stop
|DL 622 , DL 172 , DL 31
6:00am SIN 8:49pm SFO
Multi-Stop30 hr 49 min
NRTLayover
JFKLayover
DL 622 Economy (T)
DL 172 Economy (T)
DL 31 Economy (T)
Decent cpm and quite some miles for a single trip but will be brutal in WHY!
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Old Jan 13, 13, 11:41 pm
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stay in the airport transit hotel -

did the MR last Sept for $590+-, same itinerary. overnighted at the transit hotel and never even left the airport or went through immigration. be sure you make a reservation, though. they sell out regularly.
If you get there early enough, they have a health club/pool that is included.

enjoy your trip.
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Old Jan 14, 13, 12:54 am
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How did you get such a good price?
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Old Jan 14, 13, 12:36 pm
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you only have to do 5 of those trips for Diamond status, and at a pretty reasonable cost, just a shade over 5 grand. Anyone game? One MR to SIN a week for 5 weeks!
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Old Jan 14, 13, 1:04 pm
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I must complement you on the very good routing. We saw USA-SIN much cheaper last year I think in the $600-$800 range. What's hurting this is the high base fare.

If I were a DL flier I'd be checking for other major INTL gateways to see if a lower fare could be found. I presume the routing rules would carry over to other US departure points.
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Old Jan 14, 13, 1:26 pm
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I tried to book this on Delta.com, and was able to find the outgoing leg but not the return. Should I be booking it somewhere else? I'm sort of new to these advanced routings...
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Thanks!
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Old Jan 14, 13, 4:21 pm
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Csfing: outstanding routing & pricing!
Looking for good pricing for LAX to NRT in late June when the kids are out of school.
If you see any great fares for LAX-NRT or can suggest best sofware for me to check, please advise. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Csfing1 View Post
25,318 MQM in 72 hrs Will have some time to explore Changi, great airport
$1232.70 tonight

OUTBOUND Mon 11 Feb 2013 |9:20pmSFO to 1:35am 12 Feb SIN |
DL 2240 , DL 173 , DL 621
9:20pm SFO 1:35am 12 Feb SIN
Multi-Stop36 hr 15 min
JFKLayover
NRTLayover
DL 2240 Economy (T)
DL 173 Economy (T)
DL 621 Economy (T)

RETURN Thu 14 Feb 2013 |6:00amSIN to 8:49pm SFO | Multi-Stop
|DL 622 , DL 172 , DL 31
6:00am SIN 8:49pm SFO
Multi-Stop30 hr 49 min
NRTLayover
JFKLayover
DL 622 Economy (T)
DL 172 Economy (T)
DL 31 Economy (T)
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Old Jan 14, 13, 6:21 pm
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Very interesting, OP. Thanks!

Note you can do a same day turn from NYC for 22,030 mi @ $1,099, or 5CPM. A bit too high given my redemption ability on DL (if this was down around 3-4 CPM I could make it work with my PM bonus).
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Old Jan 14, 13, 8:06 pm
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Efficient deal. I may do one on UA, about the same $ but originating on the East Coast USA so only a out 20k miles.
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Old Jan 14, 13, 9:09 pm
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I tried to book this on Delta.com, and was able to find the outgoing leg but not the return. Should I be booking it somewhere else? I'm sort of new to these advanced routings...
To get the return leg you will have to have it search out the flights by schedule rather than price, if you take the same days a week or two later the price is higher. If you have any problems please let me know.
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Old Jan 14, 13, 9:20 pm
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Efficient deal. I may do one on UA, about the same $ but originating on the East Coast USA so only a out 20k miles.
Flying from west coast gives you about 5000 more miles, get most miles from SFO, a few less than LAX and doing it thru ATL give less. Did SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF in Dec For a MR and got 24,532 MQM in 72 hrs and saved driving to SFO, is about 786 miles less but I got my ticket with FlexPerks points, 70,000, and trip didn't cost any $. FlexPerks is the old NW VIsa card which I Use whenever I can't use AMX. The other benefit of that card is any charitable donations are worth triple point so remember for your donations tun use that card if you can.
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Old Jan 14, 13, 9:27 pm
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June is going to be higher fare, lowest fare are Feb and early Dec a week after Thanksgiving.
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Very interesting, OP. Thanks!

Note you can do a same day turn from NYC for 22,030 mi @ $1,099, or 5CPM. A bit too high given my redemption ability on DL (if this was down around 3-4 CPM I could make it work with my PM bonus).
I can't find anything anywhere near this fare for February on DL.com or ITA. Searching JFK with a same day turn. The same day turn, or even next day turns are all showing me $2,500+

Any suggestions? If possible, I may try two of these in February.
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