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Old Oct 24, 2015, 5:28 am
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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

Trip Reports/Tips:

2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

2013: Oct
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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Sep 19, 2017, 4:30 am
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Great Fare Oct 2-4 $645.16

IAH DTW NRT SIN NRT DTW IAH $645.16 <3 cpm Oct 2-4

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Old Sep 19, 2017, 12:57 pm
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am on DL 295 ATL-NRT right now, anyone else running on this flight?
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Old Sep 19, 2017, 1:49 pm
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SIN NRT ATL IAH Sep 20

Originally Posted by angra
am on DL 295 ATL-NRT right now, anyone else running on this flight?
In SIN Dnata lounge waiting to board as above. Anyone returning to ATL or IAH today let us know as we have a few hrs in SC at NRT and also ATL. Safe travels and a good flight. Check out price for Oct 2-4 $645 <3 cpm and 21,600 MQM!
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Old Sep 19, 2017, 3:42 pm
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I just landed home after SIN-NRT-DTW-LAN.
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Old Sep 20, 2017, 3:08 pm
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In ATL SC TB Fares IAH SIN

Few dates left with some very good fares IAH ATL/DTW NRT SIN NRT DTW IAH 21,602 MQM <3 cpm
$644.96 Oct 2-4, 23-25
$650.56 Oct 23-26
ATL IAH at 7:10 arrive 8:20 pm and finally SMF on Mon Sep 25
Happy Travels!
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Old Sep 20, 2017, 9:12 pm
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Few dates left with some very good fares IAH ATL/DTW NRT SIN NRT DTW IAH 21,602 MQM <3 cpm
$644.96 Oct 2-4, 23-25
$650.56 Oct 23-26
ATL IAH at 7:10 arrive 8:20 pm and finally SMF on Mon Sep 25
Happy Travels!
trying to book that for the October 23-26 but cant seem to get it to come up.
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Old Sep 20, 2017, 9:51 pm
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Just did at DL.com

$650.56 Oct 23-26 IAH ATL NRT SIN NRT DTW IAH This will give you one day in SIN and 21,668 MQM 3.00 cpm. Just did on DL.com after I saw your message. If you want to go thru DTW both ways you can but go out thru ATL as you will have to ret thru DTW to get the lower fare and you get a few more MQM going thru ATL. In Oct thru DTW you still have the 744 if you want to fly that before they stop using it. If you have any problems let me know and if you succeed let me know as well. Happy Travels!
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Old Sep 23, 2017, 9:59 pm
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Smile Fares Sep 23 IAH SIN IAH

Still having some good fares IAH SIN IAH
$623.46 21,668 MQM 2.88 cpm Oct 1-3 Best fare
$644.46 Oct 1-3, 2-4, 23-25, Nov 2-4
$650.06 Oct 1-4, 2-5, 23-26, 23-27
$685.76 Sep 25-27 21,668 MQM 3.19 cpm
$712.06 Sep 25-28, 25-29
$739.46 Oct 30- Nov 2, Oct 30-Nov 2-3

Still having good prices as they need to fill seats!
Take you MR now don't wait. Still having some good prices from IAH. Happy Travels. Glad we are going home Mon Sep 25. Tempted to do it on Mon but already DM for next year and still have one more trip in Dec. Happy Travels keep your trip reports, questions and comments coming. If you get lower price please post. All prices from DL.Com
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Old Sep 24, 2017, 11:36 am
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Angry No early check-in at Changi

After many prior visits, I returned earlier this week (9/19) from Singapore and wanted to mention a hiccup we encountered that I did not count on and didn't see mentioned in this thread.

After arriving at Changi we took the ferry from Tanah Merah Ferry Terminal to Indonesia (with a connected shuttle from Changi T2 to Ferry Terminal which is close to Changi).
Returning early the night before our return flight, I had printed out boarding passes and fully expected to be able to pass security to get to our booked airside Aerotel for a few hours of sleep. These bookings at Aerotel are never cancelable.
But it wasn't to be !

Entry through security was refused and we were told to wait for security check at DL counter 2 - which in turn opened exactly at 2.50 am.
Waisted the Aerotel booking and instead had to sit out the night at a very busy, loud and uncomfortable terminal waiting for DL check-in to open.
Lesson learned !
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Old Sep 25, 2017, 9:10 am
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Smile

Thanks for your post. I am very sorry that you couldn't get thru security with your boarding pass and that your reservation in the transit hotel was wasted. That can be a problem when check in counters are closed in international travel and on more than one occasion have had to wait till they opened about 3 hours before boarding time. On one occasion when on a KLM flight and their counter wasn't open I was able to go to the Air France priority counter and I got my boarding pass and was able to get thru security. Thank you for alerting us to that problem at Changi. I hope you enjoyed the other parts of your trip. Blessings

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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Thanks for your post. I am very sorry that you couldn't get thru security with your boarding pass and that your reservation in the transit hotel was wasted. That can be a problem when check in counters are closed in international travel and on more than one occasion have had to wait till they opened about 3 hours before boarding time. On one occasion when on a KLM flight and their counter wasn't open I was able to go to the Air France priority counter and I got my boarding pass and was able to get thru security. Thank you for alerting us to that problem at Changi. I hope you enjoyed the other parts of your trip. Blessings
Thanks for your kind words !

Yes, I have the same experience - it's seemingly hit or miss - depending perhaps on airport and how strict the handling agent is with US-bound-security-policy ?

Perhaps someone can chime in and explain a bit ?
And why some airports let you stay airside when overnighting while in transit and some are not ?

Only three weeks ago I entered BRU airport the night before my departing US-bound flight the next morning and had no trouble whatsoever entering the secured area - considering it was not even the same day of departure
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Old Sep 25, 2017, 12:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Travelomania
Thanks for your kind words !

Yes, I have the same experience - it's seemingly hit or miss - depending perhaps on airport and how strict the handling agent is with US-bound-security-policy ?

Perhaps someone can chime in and explain a bit ?
And why some airports let you stay airside when overnighting while in transit and some are not ?

Only three weeks ago I entered BRU airport the night before my departing US-bound flight the next morning and had no trouble whatsoever entering the secured area - considering it was not even the same day of departure
At SIN, DL's counter opens about 3-4 hours prior to the single flight per day. Unlike most DL stations, at SIN, every DL customer must have a boarding pass issued at the airport. Mobile/web check-in is not available for SIN departures.

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...pass-faqs.html
(includes long list of mobile/web-eligible cities, a list of NON-eligible cities would be much shorter).

Without a SIN-airport-issued BP, it is not possible to enter the secure portion of the airport.
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Old Sep 26, 2017, 2:33 pm
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Smile Good News and Bad News

Good news - it is good to be home.
Bad news or good news depending on your viewpoint - for 2019 to qualify for Delta DM and you want the AMX waiver and are not going to spend $15,000 MQD possibly easier on some of their partners you will only need to spend $250,000 on AMX credit cards so it is possible the Dellta FF prpgram for some will become history or else you will just have to spend the dollars on Delta or their partners if you want DM. That will "thin the herd" which is what they are after so it will be more exclusive. Guess next year will be the last year for DM for me. The $25,000 AMX waiver spend will allow you to get PM etc. unless you want to spend the $ on tickets which I suspect will not be the case for some of us. Have a Great Day and enjoy your benefits while you can. We may have to shift our allegiance to some other carriers.

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Old Sep 26, 2017, 2:38 pm
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Only $250k or $15k on tickets crazy! I understand "thinning the Diamond herd" but that is just crazy. My numbers are: I do spend about $100k a year on Amex but always looking how to reduce my spending not more, I spend about $6k-$8k on tickets a year and achieve easily 125k MQM a year I do a least 5 trips to Asia and the same to Europe per year for business I am flexible when I need to go so look for good value tickets. Now I guess I either have to buy higher priced tickets or categories if I want to be a Diamond. I use pay with miles a lot too, I should probably start looking what else is out there.
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Old Sep 26, 2017, 9:02 pm
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Originally Posted by yasmas
Only $250k or $15k on tickets crazy! I understand "thinning the Diamond herd" but that is just crazy. My numbers are: I do spend about $100k a year on Amex but always looking how to reduce my spending not more, I spend about $6k-$8k on tickets a year and achieve easily 125k MQM a year I do a least 5 trips to Asia and the same to Europe per year for business I am flexible when I need to go so look for good value tickets. Now I guess I either have to buy higher priced tickets or categories if I want to be a Diamond. I use pay with miles a lot too, I should probably start looking what else is out there.
And guess what status you would have with UA or AA based on that spend?
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