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FlyerTalk Forums Thread Wiki: DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)
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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add / f ~bc=e to the end of the routing codes, e.g. dl+ dtw nrt / f ~bc=e

See post 1329 for some screenshots.

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is listed as "coming soon".

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

Trip Reports/Tips:

2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

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Old Feb 26, 13, 8:05 am   #61
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You are correct

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Singapore is 16 hours ahead of San Francisco. Your date/times are off.
Edit: I just checked the DL schedule. I was right. You left Monday 2/11 and arrived Wednesday 2/13.
It should be Dec 2-5, not Dec 2-4. Thanks for picking up the mistake! They should all be 3 days out and back.
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Old Feb 26, 13, 8:08 am   #62
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This is fine BUT if you really want to do butt in seat MR run (not mine cup of java) I would do this within continental USA and Caribbean. I did SJU last year, going all over America but since I am diamond it was 98% in Business Class, actually it is like flying office; kind of cool after first 25,000 miles. Price wise it was better that this one.
Am interested, what have your routes been and what time of year as business class is far better than economy comfort!
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Old Feb 28, 13, 10:54 am   #63
  
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Am interested, what have your routes been and what time of year as business class is far better than economy comfort!
I did BWI-JFK-MSP-SJU-SEA-SLC-LAX-ATL-SJU This is not the ordered list just the cities I was in. SJU is very popular MR available mainly during hurricane season (Aug/Sep). Tickets were around 220.00 USD plus Amex added 50.00 off promotion for any tickets with SJU in it. I was making shy of 6000 miles per run for less than 200.00. Did 10 of those...dont laugh...
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Old Feb 28, 13, 2:01 pm   #64
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Smile Thanks for reply and info!

I didn't laugh only smiled and chuckled, that is awesome, was checking fares from SFO and SMF, nothing good, will look at different dates. Thanks for the info. Have a great weekend and. Great MR if you have one planned!
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Old Mar 5, 13, 12:16 pm   #65
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Still available 5.01 cpm

$1269.30 Apr 1-4, Apr 29 - May 2, May 13-16
Avail 3/5/2013
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Old Mar 5, 13, 6:34 pm   #66
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Smile Price 5.1 cpm increased $17.60 to $1286.90

Price later today increases $17.60 to $1286.90 5.1 cpm. 25,318 MQM
For following dates. 1286.90 Apr 1-4, Apr 29 - May 2, May 13-16, Nov 4-7, Dec 2-5. Shifting dates makes big change in prices.
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Old Mar 6, 13, 8:14 am   #67
  
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Just came back from my run... My thanks to OP.

I actually stayed 4 days though, so not a true MR, I guess. I did AirBnB it though, so it was still pretty cheap overall. Nice place! Highly recommend taking one or two days to see the city. Little India, Orchard Street, the Marina Bay Sands (the Gardens, specifically) were worth seeing. Got some fantastic photos.
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Old Mar 6, 13, 1:37 pm   #68
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Just came back from my run... My thanks to OP.

I actually stayed 4 days though, so not a true MR, I guess. I did AirBnB it though, so it was still pretty cheap overall. Nice place! Highly recommend taking one or two days to see the city. Little India, Orchard Street, the Marina Bay Sands (the Gardens, specifically) were worth seeing. Got some fantastic photos.
Glad that you enjoyed it and if anyone can spend a few days it is definitely worth it. Usually go 2x a year on business and always enjoy it.
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Old Mar 10, 13, 10:28 am   #69
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Current prices as of Mar 10. 5.08 cpm for 25,318 MQM in 72 hrs, if DM net 56,966 miles, if PM or GM net 50,536 miles for $1286.30!
Apr 1-4, 8-11, 29-May 2, 6-9, 13-16, Nov 4-7, 18-21, 25-28, Dec 2-5.
Higher on other dates, Nov 25-28 returns on Thanksgiving
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Old Mar 13, 13, 12:24 pm   #70
  
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I'm very new to complex itineraries, so please excuse the newbie question. I have no issue departing from SFO but I'm wondering, can I hop off at JFK on my return leg and just sacrifice 2.5k miles? Or does not completing the last leg invalidate the MQMs for the previous legs? If so, is there a way to structure this in ITA without the last JFK to SFO?
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Old Mar 13, 13, 9:01 pm   #71
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I'm very new to complex itineraries, so please excuse the newbie question. I have no issue departing from SFO but I'm wondering, can I hop off at JFK on my return leg and just sacrifice 2.5k miles? Or does not completing the last leg invalidate the MQMs for the previous legs? If so, is there a way to structure this in ITA without the last JFK to SFO?
I am quite certain you will get credit for the flights you have completed. Did you try pricing it as two separate trips and finishing at JFK, it may cost more but you can see if you end up with the same costs. Let me know if you get the same price or less.
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Old Mar 13, 13, 9:34 pm   #72
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Book as multi city

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I'm very new to complex itineraries, so please excuse the newbie question. I have no issue departing from SFO but I'm wondering, can I hop off at JFK on my return leg and just sacrifice 2.5k miles? Or does not completing the last leg invalidate the MQMs for the previous legs? If so, is there a way to structure this in ITA without the last JFK to SFO?
Here are prices and MQM for Apr 29 out back May 2
$1228.70 22,732 MQM SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK
$1231.20 23,177 MQM SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT SEA JFK
$1400.21 23,913 MQM SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT LAX JFK

Take your pick, would probably work for other dates given in earlier messages. Let me know if it works for you!
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Old Mar 14, 13, 11:27 am   #73
  
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Thank you very much! Another newbie question - how do I translate these complex ITA itineraries to bookable fares on delta.com? Or do I need to call them in order to book these?

Last edited by MumbaiFlyer; Mar 14, 13 at 11:59 am Reason: Nevermind. Found it by just searching for SFO-SIN.
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Old Mar 14, 13, 1:56 pm   #74
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Thank you very much! Another newbie question - how do I translate these complex ITA itineraries to bookable fares on delta.com? Or do I need to call them in order to book these?
Can be booked at Delta.com, book as multi city with first leg SFO JFK NRT SIN and second leg SIN NRT SEA JFK which gives a few more miles unless you want the SIN NRT LAX JFK rout which gives more miles but also costs about $170 more, take your pick, is up to you. Let me know what you end up with and how it goes. Regards and Happy Flying!
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Old Mar 17, 13, 11:59 pm   #75
  
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I don't typically "need" mileage runs, but I still enjoy them as I am in the group of folks who simply enjoy the art of flying and the travel experience. And of course it doesn't hurt me in maintaining Diamond status. I am on a MR similar to this itinerary on April 26-28, 2013 going MIA-JFK-NRT-SIN-NRT-JFK-MIA. If anyone else will be onboard let me know. Flights are all DL 782-173-621-622-172-1085.
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