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FlyerTalk Forums Thread Wiki: DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)
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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add / f ~bc=e to the end of the routing codes, e.g. dl+ dtw nrt / f ~bc=e

See post 1329 for some screenshots.

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is listed as "coming soon".

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

Trip Reports/Tips:

2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

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Old Jan 27, 13, 2:26 pm   #31
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Out Mar 4, Ret Mar 7 1232.40 avail today, Jan 27. Waiting at LAX for delayed flight to SMF.
Checked prices for other weeks including Apr and all are higher up to $2900 on some days.
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Old Jan 27, 13, 4:49 pm   #32
  
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Trying this by doing multi city on delta.dumb. Keeps erroring out and telling me to call. Any tips? Any dates in early feb confirmed?
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Old Jan 28, 13, 1:56 am   #33
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$1470.40. Out Feb12 Ret Feb 15


OUTBOUND Tue 12 Feb 2013 |9:20pmSFO to 1:55am 13 Feb SIN | Multi-Stop |DL 2240 , DL 173 , DL 621

Try other dates, that is best one in early Feb on Delta.com at 0055 PDT on Jan 28

9:20pm SFO 1:55am 13 Feb SIN
Multi-Stop36 hr 35 min
JFKLayover
NRTLayover
DL 2240
DL 173
DL 621
RETURN Fri 15 Feb 2013 |6:00amSIN to 8:49pm SFO | Multi-Stop |DL 622 , DL 172 , DL 31
6:00am SIN 8:49pm SFO
Multi-Stop30 hr 49 min
NRTLayover
JFKLayover
DL 622
DL 172
DL 31
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Old Jan 31, 13, 11:56 pm   #34
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Still avail for $1236.60 out Apr 1, ret Apr 4. Thrru ATL instead of JFK, about $800 more and 684 less miles, 24,634 MQM, Later in Apr price is about $3000 for same routing, Mar fares are more or less the same, high.
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Old Feb 3, 13, 12:13 am   #35
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Current prices 2300 Feb 2, weekends Thr out ret Sun usually higher
$1537.30 Feb 28 Mar 1
$1518.79 Mar 7-10
$1574.60 Apr 4-7, 11-14
$1505.00 Apr 18-21, 25-28.
$1310.70 Mar 11-14 out Mon ret Thr
Prices in May too high, will need to wait till early Dec and poss Oct for prices for this routing to come down.
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Old Feb 5, 13, 7:27 am   #36
  
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DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm) Edit Post

I'm game.....let's go. I am packed and ready!
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Old Feb 6, 13, 2:16 am   #37
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Go for it, I can't do it now, something called work. Let me know how you like Changi airport if you have never been there. Will be going out in June to do some work and possibly MNL as well. Have a good trip!
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Old Feb 6, 13, 12:29 pm   #38
  
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DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

[QUOTE=Csfing1;20194348]Go for it, I can't do it now, something called work. Let me know how you like Changi airport if you have never been there. Will be going out in June to do some work and possibly MNL as well. Have a good trip!

I'm booking today, 3/4/13 returning 3/7/13. I will let you know...already sussed out the airport website. Plus, you can get a free 2hour tour leaving from the airport.
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Old Feb 6, 13, 11:27 pm   #39
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Probably won't be any tours to the city at the time of night when you are there. If you stay overnight and can get more or less the same price, SIN is an interesting city.
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Old Feb 11, 13, 1:33 am   #40
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Current prices as of Feb 11
$1331.30 Mar 4-7, 11-14
$1382.30 Mar 18-21
Happy Lunar New Year, belated
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Old Feb 11, 13, 7:35 pm   #41
  
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Or, for those who are actually making a real trip, the T fare LAX-SIN-LAX is only $888 ai. Sample dates 11 March-1 April. I didn't try routing via the East Coast because my schedule is too tight to permit that. I actually bought the U fare because that is all that was available when I wanted to go. $963 ai 14 March-3 April.

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Old Feb 12, 13, 1:37 am   #42
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The only reason to go thru JFK or ATL in to increase MQM, cost is usually higher as well.
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Old Feb 12, 13, 1:56 am   #43
  
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THANK YOU!

Thanks for the tip! I booked a trip originating from Austin TX for just 1400! Woo hoo. It will be a LONG couple of days, but that's a LOT of miles. Should be interesting. Thanks again.
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Old Feb 12, 13, 9:00 am   #44
  
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Thanks for the tip! I booked a trip originating from Austin TX for just 1400! Woo hoo. It will be a LONG couple of days, but that's a LOT of miles. Should be interesting. Thanks again.
For full experience of Singapore you need to go to Mustafa Centre and after that - to Gaylang, preferable after 7PM.
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Old Feb 12, 13, 10:52 pm   #45
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Mustafa Centre is great for shopping, it is the a Singapore version of Walmart, it can be a bit crowded on the weekends but they have a huge selection and even have a restaurant on the roof of the newer part of the store. The owner is a friend. The largest computer store in SIN is Challenger in the Funan Centre downtown, there are many branches in other shopping centers throughout town but the prices for most things are just as good in US but some accessories may cost less there. If you like birds, the Jurong Bird Park is excellent, also have an excellent zoo.

Have a great trip, how many days will you be there and how many MQM did you get and what was your routing?
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