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If you have done this trip please help improve the wiki!
Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?
Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.
How do I search for dates/prices?
One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
- outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
- inbound: dl+ nrt dtw
NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box
See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)
You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)
I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
- you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
- if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
- for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
- call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover
Do I need a visa?
No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.
What are the best seats?
Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
- one vote for the bulkhead in C+
- DL forum omnibus C+ thread: FAQ: Comfort+ Seating
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread
Will there be wifi on the international legs?
DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.
777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked
Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.
FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)
Other related threads:
Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)
Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet
SIN airport facilities
If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)
Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels
Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.
FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges
Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.
There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.
NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.
Things to do in SIN
In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.
SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.
Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9
Things to do on a long connection through NRT:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html
Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread
There is free wifi in NRT.
Returning to the US
Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)
You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.
Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.
Relevant FT threads:
- CLEAR - worthwhile use of $179? in theTrusted Travelers Forum
- DL-specific thread in the DL Forum
Returning via ATL:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread
CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.
For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.
(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)
Returning via DTW:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread
When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.
The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.
Duty Free Liquids
This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:
http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule
FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight
If you have any experience with this, please share!
IRROPS handling:
Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html
Trip Reports/Tips:
2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb
2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep
2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2
2013: Oct
[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)
#2251
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Join Date: Dec 2011
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How soon are you leaving, got your PM and tried to call but no answer, left you my number so you can call when convenient. Am in SMF in CA and will be up early as my wife leaves for ORD at 0655. Blessings and Happy Travels!
#2252
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: ANC
Programs: AS MVPG100, DL PM, UA gold MM, MMMarriott gold, AA mm (not bis), Global entry, Precheck
Posts: 39
I am scheduled for a similar run through NRT 10/21-10/23. I called about the waiver, all they would offer was date changes. I specifically asked about routing through ICN on Korean to avoid Japan and was told that would require a paid change. I did not ask about routing through Europe but I would assume if they are not willing to change a routing that is about the same distance that they would not allow a routing with significant increase in mileage.
#2254
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Smyrna, GA, USA
Programs: DL FO 1MM
Posts: 1,761
This is perhaps off-topic, but if time is more scarce than money, you might consider some long distance runs in business. Less cost efficient, but more time efficient, and more comfortable.
#2255
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Sun or Slopes
Posts: 220
Agree. I have 4 Global UG's to use before Jan 30th 2018. Another 4 from this year too if needed. But it's almost impossible to UG. Appreciate the advice.
#2256
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#2257
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: ATL
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I am scheduled for a similar run through NRT 10/21-10/23. I called about the waiver, all they would offer was date changes. I specifically asked about routing through ICN on Korean to avoid Japan and was told that would require a paid change. I did not ask about routing through Europe but I would assume if they are not willing to change a routing that is about the same distance that they would not allow a routing with significant increase in mileage.
#2258
Moderator: Hyatt; FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: WAS
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IIRC they generally won't rebook on partner metal for weather-related issues, although it might be worth trying at least one HUCA.
#2259
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: MSN
Programs: Delta PM, IHG Spire, National EE
Posts: 3
Been lurking for a while but finally bit the bullet on this as I made PM this week and hoping to make DM by the end of the year. Booked Tuesday, was able to get ORD-DTW-NRT-SIN and back for 3.09 cpm for 10/25-10/27. Hope the storm is done and gone by the time I get to NRT!
#2260
Join Date: Nov 2009
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I am scheduled for a similar run through NRT 10/21-10/23. I called about the waiver, all they would offer was date changes. I specifically asked about routing through ICN on Korean to avoid Japan and was told that would require a paid change. I did not ask about routing through Europe but I would assume if they are not willing to change a routing that is about the same distance that they would not allow a routing with significant increase in mileage.
#2261
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Plus, global upgrade certificates are valid on KLM.
#2262
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Nashville: Delta DM
Programs: Delta DM, Marriott PP, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 130
New to MR activity, currently need 16,500 MQMs but have to steer clear of work demands over next 2 months. Are there ever good priced MRs available at 1-2 weeks in advance? Prefer to stay with domestic. I can reposition as needed for the right deal.
#2263
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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/milea...lp-needed.html
You could consider doing two weekend trips etc. Of anywhere near the west coast, keep an eye on LAX-MSP-ANC-MSP-ANC for 8k MQMs RT.
#2264
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Nashville: Delta DM
Programs: Delta DM, Marriott PP, Hilton Diamond
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There can be, although this thread is particular to the Singapore MR. There is also a general requests thread:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/milea...lp-needed.html
You could consider doing two weekend trips etc. Of anywhere near the west coast, keep an eye on LAX-MSP-ANC-MSP-ANC for 8k MQMs RT.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/milea...lp-needed.html
You could consider doing two weekend trips etc. Of anywhere near the west coast, keep an eye on LAX-MSP-ANC-MSP-ANC for 8k MQMs RT.
#2265
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It's not the most economic mileage/status run, but there are probably several options like this.