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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

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2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Oct 16, 2017, 1:06 pm
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Originally Posted by hockeyinsider
The renovations at the J.W. Marriott are very nice. The TVs are probably the biggest I have seen. They had to have been 60 inches. My only complaints were two-fold:
1) The pool is closed, so you use the Ritz-Carlton pool. It sucks. Too small and gets almost zero sunlight.
2) The bathrooms weren't renovated. They're fine, but look dated compared to the rest of the rooms.

Ethiopian departs Singapore at 3:50 pm with the return from Kuala Lumpur at 11:25 p.m. It's timed rather good to make the Delta flight home from Singapore.
Ah I see the timetable you're referencing now, but unfortunately no ET flights on Saturdays and that is the day I will fly to KL based on 00:30 arrival to SIN. Spending the final evening in SIN to catch light show and garden views at the marina. Perhaps a future MR can include the fifth freedom flights, what an odd opportunity to fly Ethiopian!

Re: the JW, pool closure won't impact my to-do list, but will update in a few weeks my run experience as well as hotel thoughts!
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Old Oct 16, 2017, 2:50 pm
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Ah I see the timetable you're referencing now, but unfortunately no ET flights on Saturdays and that is the day I will fly to KL based on 00:30 arrival to SIN. Spending the final evening in SIN to catch light show and garden views at the marina. Perhaps a future MR can include the fifth freedom flights, what an odd opportunity to fly Ethiopian!

Re: the JW, pool closure won't impact my to-do list, but will update in a few weeks my run experience as well as hotel thoughts!
What about flying a one-way home on Ethiopian? It's a nice service. Four glasses of excellent champagne in 55 minutes. Malaysia doesn't serve alcohol on their regional flights, but they do serve some food.
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Old Oct 16, 2017, 6:05 pm
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Missed out on the LAX - SIN for $400 rt. Need about 80K for Diamond - behind the eight ball with 4 Globals too. Called Delta and everything is waitlist for upgrades. Year got away from me. Looks like Platinum for me!! Praying for a miracle!!
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Old Oct 16, 2017, 7:04 pm
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Originally Posted by cdonnellyx
I'll be headed outbound Oct 26th DTW-NRT-SIN

Spending a long weekend in KL/SIN

Returning Oct 31 SIN-NRT-DTW on the first A350 flight from NRT. Seems like we will share a leg on the return.
CDonnell= let's connect if you'd like when the date becomes nearer!
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Old Oct 16, 2017, 7:17 pm
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Quick update on my quick turn in Singapore. Wanted to contribute here for a tad bit of a data point.

DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW as the main parts of my legs.

Landed in Singapore around midnight. Got off D44..3 minute walk to the aerotel transit hotel where i had a reservation i made in advance for a small S room. Travelled alone so it was sufficient for a quick nap. Just note there are 18 S rooms and you share 4 bathroom/showers. They were kept pretty tidy though.
Slept/napped until 3:30am, showered, headed to the transfer Desk D literally right underneath the hotel. Security asked a few questions on purpose of the visit (had to do the grin and a line of "getting my miles for the year") . No one else was at the desk so i was helped by the sole agent there. No problems except i had 4 legs on my return, so my last leg needed to be printed in the US (which was no probs). This was also the reason i was unable to check in on my phone (though some folks said Singapore requires actual boarding passes anyways).

After obtaining my BP, took a 4-5 min walk to the DNATA lounge. Hung out for 45 min or so and then walked to D44, went through screening.

I've been to Singapore a number of times, but i feel like they are getting tighter on security more and more i visit.

I was asked at transfer desk, then asked again at the boarding gate, then when going through the screening, since my hair pomade was a 4oz jar (acceptable is 3oz, but the thing was half empty), they threw the gel away, which was a little annoying. So just an FYI. Make sure your liquids and toiletries are 3oz! (Note i was able to get it to Singapore with no problems)

I was also asked verbal questions in japan to/from Singapore on multiple occasions. Luck or not, it was getting old after a while.

Currently enroute from Singapore to Narita. Overall i feel good for making through the first half of the journey!

Other side note... DTW-NRT on the 747 (could be location) they fly high into canada. I don't know if it was a plane issue or geography issue, but the wifi was really really inconsistent. Had to sign in over a dozen times and ended up watching 2 movies instead.

Hope the above helps with some data points! Cheers.
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Old Oct 17, 2017, 2:51 am
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IRROPS Blues

Had a perfect IAH to DTW to NRT to SIN and back planned for Monday- Wednesday with confirmed GUCs used for DTW to NRT to SIN. Got the text from Delta at 3:12 a.m. on Monday morning that my outbound was delayed. I knew I was screwed.

Rerouted to ATL and then to ICN on DL and now at ICN waiting on the KE flight to SIN. Went from Delta One with the GUC to 37D to ICN and 36A to SIN in a bit. Coming back I'm in Comfort+ but listed for Delta One though it's all filled up as of right now. Sigh...

Hate to finish the year with an unused GUC but it's been that kind of a year.

One thing I did notice at IAH...when they rebooked me my new ticket it said Y fare. Is that a real Y fare where I earn more RDMs than I woulda on the el cheapo fare I had? I know it used to be that way but I thought they closed that loophole post NW merger. Maybe I'm wrong. Anybody know if I might expect RDMs to reflect the Y fare or not? If so, I kinda won even when I lost...sorta.

Happy Flying all...

Arrived into T2 on KE from ICN. The Ambassador Lounge is a Priority Plus option here for 3 hours upon arrival. Gotta leave after that. Will use my 3 hours here (nice lounge, quiet, free message chairs, good food offering) and get over to T1 where Delta and the above mentioned lounge are for the remainder of the wait.

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Old Oct 17, 2017, 6:01 am
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Originally Posted by Speedis1
I've been to Singapore a number of times, but i feel like they are getting tighter on security more and more i visit.
It probably has something to do with the fact that there is an ISIS/ISIL problem in region, though more so in Malaysia than Singapore. Still, Singapore has had some Islamic jihadists. Singapore doesn't want the stigma that would come with someone getting through their security and committing a terrorist attack.

Originally Posted by Speedis1
I was also asked verbal questions in japan ...
I've never been asked a question in Japan. Ever.

Originally Posted by Speedis1
the wifi was really really inconsistent. Had to sign in over a dozen times and ended up watching 2 movies instead.
In my experience, the wireless internet has worked for almost the entire duration of the Detroit-Narita flight. Only near Alaska did it cut in and out for a little bit. Perhaps too many people were on it.
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Old Oct 17, 2017, 7:25 am
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Originally Posted by woody125
Had a perfect IAH to DTW to NRT to SIN and back planned for Monday- Wednesday with confirmed GUCs used for DTW to NRT to SIN. Got the text from Delta at 3:12 a.m. on Monday morning that my outbound was delayed. I knew I was screwed.

Rerouted to ATL and then to ICN on DL and now at ICN waiting on the KE flight to SIN.
Couldn't you refuse the rerouting?
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Old Oct 17, 2017, 10:52 am
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Originally Posted by hockeyinsider
Couldn't you refuse the rerouting?
Not if I want (and need) to keep to my time table. Gotta finish this and be back in ATL by 9 a.m. on Thursday. The delay out of IAH was long enough that by the time I got to DTW my flight to NRT would have long gone. Pushing it a day would not have been an option. It was uncomfy for sure but keeps me humble which is never a bad idea.

First time on KE for me. Very nice I thought. Very nice indeed.
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Old Oct 17, 2017, 12:24 pm
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Originally Posted by woody125
Not if I want (and need) to keep to my time table. Gotta finish this and be back in ATL by 9 a.m. on Thursday. The delay out of IAH was long enough that by the time I got to DTW my flight to NRT would have long gone. Pushing it a day would not have been an option. It was uncomfy for sure but keeps me humble which is never a bad idea.

First time on KE for me. Very nice I thought. Very nice indeed.
By my math, flying via Seoul cost you at least 200 MQMs one-way. Probably more because I don't believe the ICN-SIN flight on Korean earns full MQMs.
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Old Oct 17, 2017, 12:25 pm
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Originally Posted by hockeyinsider
By my math, flying via Seoul cost you at least 200 MQMs one-way. Probably more because I don't believe the ICN-SIN flight on Korean earns full MQMs.
Presumably woody125 will be able to request ORC from DL...
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Originally Posted by Zorak
Presumably woody125 will be able to request ORC from DL...
Who knows. Complaining about Delta's delay costing him his confirmed upgrades might result in a few devalued Sky Miles tossed his way, too.
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Old Oct 17, 2017, 12:42 pm
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Originally Posted by hockeyinsider
Probably more because I don't believe the ICN-SIN flight on Korean earns full MQMs.
Even with a DL flight number?
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Old Oct 17, 2017, 1:11 pm
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Originally Posted by woody125
Even with a DL flight number?
It should earn full MQM then, but I think you're still about 200 miles short.

IAH-DTW-NRT-SIN should be 10,816 MQMs.

IAH-DTW-ICN-SIN should be 10,607 MQMs.

https://fly.qux.us/smcalc/
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Old Oct 17, 2017, 2:15 pm
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Originally Posted by hockeyinsider
It should earn full MQM then, but I think you're still about 200 miles short.

IAH-DTW-NRT-SIN should be 10,816 MQMs.

IAH-DTW-ICN-SIN should be 10,607 MQMs.

https://fly.qux.us/smcalc/
My math says about the same. Crafting my ORC letter now...
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