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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

Old Oct 24, 2015, 5:28 am
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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

Trip Reports/Tips:

2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

2013: Oct
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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

Old Sep 22, 2013, 3:47 am
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Prices on Sep 22 - lower prices $129.80 - $136.80

Prices a bit lower this week

LAX Departures -$129.80 less
$1145.70 ai 25,096 MQM 4.56 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX

for Nov 10-13, 11-14, 17-20. Higher in Jan and on other dates.

SFO Departures -$136.80 less
$1181.70 ai 25,318 MQM 4.67 cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO

for Nov 10-13, 11-14, 17-20, 24-27, Jan 2014 and other dates fare higher!

SMF Departures - $131.80 less
$1155.70 ai 24,542 MQM 4.71 cpm SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF

for Nov 10-13, 11-14, 24-27, Jan 2014 and other dates are higher!

Probably not going to get much lower cpm for this routing. Very little difference in MQM cpm and total costs, which airport is more convenient would influence your choice. Might get similar results from other West coast airports, but I did not check.

Happy travels. If anyone is going Nov 11-14 or 24-27, let me know. Have a great week! Cheers!
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Old Sep 24, 2013, 7:06 pm
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Prices on Sep 24, back to where they were for the past two weeks

Prices back up

LAX Departures + $130.00
$1275.70 ai 25,096 MQM 5.08 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX

for Nov 10-13, 11-14, 17-20, Jan 2014, higher on other dates.

SFO Departures + $137.00
$1318.70 ai 25,318 MQM 5.21 cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO

for Nov 10-13, 11-14, 17-20, 24-27, Jan 2014, other dates fare higher!

SMF Departures + $132.00
$1287.70 ai 24,542 MQM 5.25 cpm SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF

for Nov 10-13, 11-14, 24-27, Jan 2014 Other dates are higher!

Have a great week! Cheers!
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Old Sep 25, 2013, 12:25 pm
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I am signing up to do this in Nov to get a farewell year of Diamond Status. May I ask anyone who's gone through this - when arriving in SIN at 1:20 AM, have you all been able to simply go to a transfer desk and get a return BP for the 5:40 flight, without mandatory immigration or any other hassles?
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Old Sep 25, 2013, 12:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Uncle Lars
I am signing up to do this in Nov to get a farewell year of Diamond Status. May I ask anyone who's gone through this - when arriving in SIN at 1:20 AM, have you all been able to simply go to a transfer desk and get a return BP for the 5:40 flight, without mandatory immigration or any other hassles?
From my understanding, that's all you have to do. I am doing this in a few weeks and can let you know for sure. I got a room at the transit hotel to shower and take a breif nap before heading back.
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Old Sep 25, 2013, 1:04 pm
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Originally Posted by bartmas777
From my understanding, that's all you have to do. I am doing this in a few weeks and can let you know for sure. I got a room at the transit hotel to shower and take a breif nap before heading back.
That is correct. However, the transfer desk for DL will not be opening until either 03:00 or 03:30.
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Old Sep 25, 2013, 7:00 pm
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Transit in SIN

Originally Posted by Uncle Lars
I am signing up to do this in Nov to get a farewell year of Diamond Status. May I ask anyone who's gone through this - when arriving in SIN at 1:20 AM, have you all been able to simply go to a transfer desk and get a return BP for the 5:40 flight, without mandatory immigration or any other hassles?
Correct, go to the transit desk when it opens, you can walk thru the terminals which I have done for my exercise, they have a food court and there might be something open, view the orchids, use the free Internet and go to the club which is the DL affiliate and you can relax there, they have a shower there but there may not be someone at the desk till after 3:30 to give you the key. When I was there last year you could just walk in and make yourself at home. If you go thru immigration you will not be able to get back in till they open the check in counter. The transit desk will print your boarding pass when they open but you might check in NRT and see if they will do it for you.

Enjoy your trip, if you have any more questions, let me know. Happy travels!
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Old Sep 27, 2013, 3:00 am
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Prices Sep 26

LAX Departures + $.50
$1276.20 25,096 MQM 5.08 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX

for Nov 10-13, 11-14, 17-20, Jan 2014, higher on other dates.

SFO Departures - $62.50
$1256.20 ai 25,318 MQM 4.96 cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO

for Nov 11-14, 18-21, 24-27, 25-28 Jan 19-22, 20-23, 27-30, Mar 3-6, 2014, other dates fare higher!

SMF Departures - $ 62.50
$1222.20 24,542 MQM 4.98 cpm SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF

for Nov 11-14, 18-21, 24-27 Jan 19-22, 27-30, 2014 Other dates are higher!

Have a great week! Cheers! Happy Travels!

Greetings from HNL!

Last edited by Csfing1; Sep 27, 2013 at 4:04 am Reason: Correct costs for fares from SMF cpm
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Old Sep 29, 2013, 4:52 am
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Prices Sep 29 much lower for Nov, best prices in last 3-4 months

Prices Sep 29

LAX Departures -$288.00
$988.20 25,096 MQM 3.94 cpm
LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
for Nov 10-13, 11-14, 17-20, Jan 2014, other dates are higher!

SFO Departures - $236.20
$1020.20 ai 25,318 MQM 4.03 cpm
SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
for Nov 10-13,11-14, 18-21, 25-28 Jan 2014, other dates fare higher!

For Nov 24-27 $1043.20 4.12 cpm

SMF Departures - $ 226.00 for Nov 11-14; - $202.00 for Nov 18-21, 24-27
For Nov 10-13,11-14 $996.20 24,542 MQM 4.06 cpm
SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF

Nov 18-21, 24-27 $1020.20 4.16 cpm Jan 2014, other dates are higher!

Doubt fares will get significantly lower for this year and probably won't stay very long at this price but it is always possible if they need to fill seats. Have a MR Nov 11-14 from LAX and Nov 24-27 from SMF. Happy travels! Cheers!

Last edited by Csfing1; Sep 29, 2013 at 1:16 pm Reason: Add date for fares, Nov 10-13 for SMF and SFO
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Old Oct 2, 2013, 12:47 am
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Prices back up, low prices only lasted a day or two

LAX Departures + $237.20
$1225.20 ai 25,096 MQM 4.88 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX

for Nov 10-13, 11-14, 17-20, Jan 2014, other dates are higher!

SFO Departures + $249.20
$1269.20 ai 25,318 MQM 5.01cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO

for Nov 10-13,11-14, 24-27, Jan 19-22, 20-23, 2014, other dates fare higher!

SMF Departures + $239.20
$1235.20 ai 24,542 MQM 5.03 cpm SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF

For Nov 10-13, 11-14, 24-27, Jan 19-22, 27-30, 2014, other dates are higher!

The low fares of a few days ago are gone and I don't think they will be back, hope you got your tickets than if you needed a MR. Have a MR Nov 11-14 from LAX and Nov 24-27 from SMF. Happy travels! Cheers!
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Old Oct 2, 2013, 12:55 am
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While DL deals don't help me, major props to Csfing1 for keeping the thread updated with price movements. ^
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Old Oct 4, 2013, 11:08 am
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Thanks for noticing!

Originally Posted by unavaca
While DL deals don't help me, major props to Csfing1 for keeping the thread updated with price movements. ^
Thanks for noticing. Sorry that it doesn't help you. Happy travels! Cheers!
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Old Oct 4, 2013, 1:31 pm
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Fares as of Oct 4

LAX Departures - same as last post
$1225.20 ai 25,096 MQM 4.88 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX

for Nov 10-13, 11-14, 17-20, Jan 2014, other dates are higher!

SFO Departures - $10
$1259.20 ai 25,318 MQM 5.01cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO

for Nov 10-13,11-14, 24-27, Jan 2014, other dates fare higher!

SMF Departures - $10 and less dates
$1225.20 ai 24,542 MQM 5.03 cpm SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF

For Nov 10-13, 11-14, 24-27, Jan 2014, other dates are higher!

Most of these are x or v fares but when you go to 2014, the x fares are higher, usually $1300 and up for these fares in Jan, probably in Dec the fares for Jan and Feb will go down until Spring break when they will be higher.

Enjoy the "game" but when the fare gets below 3.5 cpm if the date works for you, better get it before it goes up again and remember you have 24 hours to change your mind without penalty after you have made a reservation as some of the lower fares only last for a few days at best. Happy travels! Cheers!
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Old Oct 4, 2013, 2:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Thanks for noticing... ....... ...Happy travels! Cheers!
I've noticed too and thank you very much for keeping an eye on the ball. Please keep it up!
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Old Oct 6, 2013, 12:52 am
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Prices on Oct 6 at 11:30 pm PDT

Fares as of Oct 6 11:30 pm - same as last post, no changes

LAX Departures
$1225.20 ai 25,096 MQM 4.88 cpm LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX

for Nov 10-13, 11-14, 17-20, Jan 2014, other dates are higher!

SFO Departures
$1259.20 ai 25,318 MQM 5.01cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO

for Nov 10-13,11-14, 24-27, Jan 2014, other dates fare higher!

SMF Departures
$1225.20 ai 24,542 MQM 5.03 cpm SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF

For Nov 10-13, 11-14, 24-27, Jan 2014, other dates are higher

Enjoy the "game" but when the fare gets below 3.5 cpm if the date works for you, better get it before it goes up again and remember you have 24 hours to change your mind without penalty after you have made a reservation as some of the lower fares only last for a few days at best. Have MR Oct 7-8 SMF LAX DTW CAK DTW LAX SMF 5946 MQM for $191.40 at 3.22 cpm thanks to post by CokeandTaco - keep checking, if it works go for it! Happy travels! Cheers!

Last edited by Csfing1; Oct 6, 2013 at 1:26 am Reason: Correct MQM and cpm
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Old Oct 6, 2013, 8:39 am
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I am running this route this weekend... It's gonna be rough, my rear end hurts already.

DFW-CVG-LAX-ATL-NRT-SIN-NRT-JFK-LAX-CVG-DFW. Leaving Friday, get back to DFW Tuesday am. All in at about $1050. I grabbed this when they were on sale back in July. The $250 positioning flight (DFW-CVG-LAX; return same way) really brought my CPM up (3.31 to 3.49). Haha. Hoping for an OpUp somewhere along the line. My only UG so far is DFW-CVG on a CR9.

Anyone else going this weekend, let me know.
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