May 21, 2013, 12:18 pm
Last edit by: Sykes
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Good Deal Premium Fares 2013
Jun 17, 2013, 6:59 pm
#1261
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: San Diego
Programs: IHG Spire Amb, HH Diamond, DL Diamond and 1MM
Posts: 3,610
LAX-BOG
Regarding the LAX-BOG fare in domestic first class,
You can route LAX-MSP-JFK-BOG-JFK-MSP-LAX on Delta for $820 for 10,000 flown miles.
Sample dates: Nov 7 and return Nov 11.
You can route LAX-MSP-JFK-BOG-JFK-MSP-LAX on Delta for $820 for 10,000 flown miles.
Sample dates: Nov 7 and return Nov 11.
Jun 17, 2013, 8:36 pm
#1262
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 35
deleted...sorry for wrong info...
Last edited by nocom; Jun 18, 2013 at 1:58 am
Jun 17, 2013, 11:19 pm
#1263
Suspended
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: BOS
Posts: 15,027
Not sure if this is a good fare, but just noticed BOS-GIG on AA for $2590 ai.
Jun 18, 2013, 7:15 am
#1264
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Beijing
Programs: SK EBG, BAEC Gold
Posts: 932
CX appear to have some good business class offers at the moment ex-Japan to various continents. Could be useful for any Asian-based FTers (like me....). Some black-out dates, but still a good choice of dates. KIX-ORD-KIX comes in at around $2800 (240,000JPY base fare + taxes/fuel) - books into I class which still gets 125% miles on Asia Miles)
http://www.cathaypacific.co.jp/fares...n0601/nam.html
Even with positioning flights that's the best deal I've found this summer from China (though not quite as good as the now expired $3000 fare I got last year in OZ from MFM to LAX via ICN, which booked into C so I could upgrade with points to F...).
Flights to the US all require a one night stay in Hong Kong - though for me that is almost a bonus (can be extended into a longer stopover for 10000JPY).
http://www.cathaypacific.co.jp/fares...n0601/nam.html
Even with positioning flights that's the best deal I've found this summer from China (though not quite as good as the now expired $3000 fare I got last year in OZ from MFM to LAX via ICN, which booked into C so I could upgrade with points to F...).
Flights to the US all require a one night stay in Hong Kong - though for me that is almost a bonus (can be extended into a longer stopover for 10000JPY).
Jun 18, 2013, 11:16 am
#1265
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: West Coast, USA
Programs: Skywards Platinum
Posts: 3,747
MU: DXB-NRT $918 ai, 8.6 cpm
Found a China Eastern business class fare, route is DXB-KMG-PVG-NRT. US$918 ai, 10607 miles. Comes to 8.65 cpm.
Found availability in July/August, haven't checked other months.
Appears to have to be outbound travel on a Tuesday or Saturday and inbound on Monday or Friday.
Several other Asian cities also available (some with different travel day requirements):
DXB-HKG - $881 ai.
DXB-ICN - $863 ai.
Found availability in July/August, haven't checked other months.
Appears to have to be outbound travel on a Tuesday or Saturday and inbound on Monday or Friday.
Several other Asian cities also available (some with different travel day requirements):
DXB-HKG - $881 ai.
DXB-ICN - $863 ai.
Last edited by whimike; Jun 18, 2013 at 11:29 am
Jun 18, 2013, 11:55 am
#1266
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: BOS
Posts: 15,027
DL: MCO-GIG, $2200 ai.
Example: MCO-ATL-GIG-ATL-MCO, 8/30-9/7. $2198.75.
Jun 18, 2013, 1:22 pm
#1267
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: NYC
Programs: UA-1K MM, AA-Gold, DL-Silver, AS-MVP
Posts: 2,508
Looks like some ex-US thanksgiving business fares are up
UA/LH/SN/OS/AC: NYC-FRA/MUC/VIE/GVA for $1,600+ rt a/i. Books in P.
Beware P on OS/SN earns 0 for UA MP.
DL/KL/AF: NYC-CDG/MAD/BCN for $1,600+ rt a/i. Books in Z.
UA/DL/KL/AF: NYC-LHR/DUB/MAN for $1,400+ rt a/i. Books in P or Z.
Haven't checked any other city pairs but all fairly consistent and similar to last year.
Regular thanksgiving rules: OUTBOUND - PERMITTED 24NOV 13 THROUGH 29NOV 13 FOR EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR. INBOUND - PERMITTED 29NOV 13 THROUGH 04DEC 13 FOR EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
UA/LH/SN/OS/AC: NYC-FRA/MUC/VIE/GVA for $1,600+ rt a/i. Books in P.
Beware P on OS/SN earns 0 for UA MP.
DL/KL/AF: NYC-CDG/MAD/BCN for $1,600+ rt a/i. Books in Z.
UA/DL/KL/AF: NYC-LHR/DUB/MAN for $1,400+ rt a/i. Books in P or Z.
Haven't checked any other city pairs but all fairly consistent and similar to last year.
Regular thanksgiving rules: OUTBOUND - PERMITTED 24NOV 13 THROUGH 29NOV 13 FOR EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR. INBOUND - PERMITTED 29NOV 13 THROUGH 04DEC 13 FOR EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
Jun 18, 2013, 1:37 pm
#1268
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: SF
Programs: UA MM, AA 2MM, Bonvoy LTP, HH Dia
Posts: 1,132
Looks like some ex-US thanksgiving business fares are up
UA/LH/SN/OS/AC: NYC-FRA/MUC/VIE/GVA for $1,600+ rt a/i. Books in P.
Beware P on OS/SN earns 0 for UA MP.
DL/KL/AF: NYC-CDG/MAD/BCN for $1,600+ rt a/i. Books in Z.
UA/DL/KL/AF: NYC-LHR/DUB/MAN for $1,400+ rt a/i. Books in P or Z.
Haven't checked any other city pairs but all fairly consistent and similar to last year.
Regular thanksgiving rules: OUTBOUND - PERMITTED 24NOV 13 THROUGH 29NOV 13 FOR EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR. INBOUND - PERMITTED 29NOV 13 THROUGH 04DEC 13 FOR EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
UA/LH/SN/OS/AC: NYC-FRA/MUC/VIE/GVA for $1,600+ rt a/i. Books in P.
Beware P on OS/SN earns 0 for UA MP.
DL/KL/AF: NYC-CDG/MAD/BCN for $1,600+ rt a/i. Books in Z.
UA/DL/KL/AF: NYC-LHR/DUB/MAN for $1,400+ rt a/i. Books in P or Z.
Haven't checked any other city pairs but all fairly consistent and similar to last year.
Regular thanksgiving rules: OUTBOUND - PERMITTED 24NOV 13 THROUGH 29NOV 13 FOR EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR. INBOUND - PERMITTED 29NOV 13 THROUGH 04DEC 13 FOR EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
Jun 18, 2013, 2:07 pm
#1269
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Nashville, TN
Programs: Marriott Lifetime Titanium.;UA 1.5MM; UA Lifetime Gold (whoppee); DL Plat
Posts: 2,124
europe thanksgiving fares
$2500-2600: LAS/LHR; LAS/CDG(my dates are 11/22-12/4); looks like you need a 7 day stay, though
Jun 19, 2013, 9:55 am
#1270
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: LAX
Programs: AA Gold (prev. Ex Plat for 10 years); DL Plat; UA Gold; Hilton Diamond
Posts: 2,338
DL One Way SEZ-HNL; 2281USD; fare basis DFFWSC
OK, this is not the best deal in the world, admittedly, but the flights actually work for a trip I'm planning.
This is the fare I see filed:
V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG
1 DFFWSC D‡O 2287.00 ---- -/‡ -/ - AT01
PASSENGER TYPE-ADT AUTO PRICE-YES
FROM-SEZ TO-HNL CXR-DL TVL-01JAN14 RULE-WBFF IPRA/1
FARE BASIS-DFFWSC NORMAL FARE DIS-N VENDOR-ATP
FARE TYPE-BU OW-BUSINESS CLASS UNRESTRICTED
SCR 27028 MPM E07JAN12 D-INFINITY FC-DFFWSC FN-
SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 06JAN12/1637 EXPIRES INFINITY
PUBLISHED RTG SEZ-HNL/DL EF-07JAN12 DIS-INDEF
/VIA THE ATLANTIC/ MPM 15027
MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES BETWEEN ORIGIN AND DESTINATION
MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES ORIGIN TO DESTINATION
I am able to confirm the higher priced sister of this fare, CFFWSC (about 3100 USD plus taxes/fees), using a combination of Etihad and DL flights (DL required for transatlantic) portion. Fare prices all the way to HNL with a mix of carriers on the SEZ-Europe and US-HNL portions, and DL flights over the water (including AF codeshares). Despite there being availability on all of the flights I've looked at in the necessary booking classes, I cannot get this DFFWSC fare to price out. It does allow generous stopovers, meaning for me it works out as a SEZ-West Coast flight, then later on a West Coast-HNL flight. For the price, for my needs, not a bad deal.
Wondering if it's a ghost/phantom fare, but then why would the CFFWSC fare price out? It uses the same inventory on the Etihad flights (J) which is plentiful; it's the inventory on the Delta-operated flights that seems to price out only using the C fare basis versus the D code. D is widely available on all of the dates I've looked at. The MPM, routing rules and fare rules for both the CFFWSC and DFFWSC are identical, with the exception of the booking class (D vs C).
Can anyone help?
This is the fare I see filed:
V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG
1 DFFWSC D‡O 2287.00 ---- -/‡ -/ - AT01
PASSENGER TYPE-ADT AUTO PRICE-YES
FROM-SEZ TO-HNL CXR-DL TVL-01JAN14 RULE-WBFF IPRA/1
FARE BASIS-DFFWSC NORMAL FARE DIS-N VENDOR-ATP
FARE TYPE-BU OW-BUSINESS CLASS UNRESTRICTED
SCR 27028 MPM E07JAN12 D-INFINITY FC-DFFWSC FN-
SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 06JAN12/1637 EXPIRES INFINITY
PUBLISHED RTG SEZ-HNL/DL EF-07JAN12 DIS-INDEF
/VIA THE ATLANTIC/ MPM 15027
MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES BETWEEN ORIGIN AND DESTINATION
MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES ORIGIN TO DESTINATION
I am able to confirm the higher priced sister of this fare, CFFWSC (about 3100 USD plus taxes/fees), using a combination of Etihad and DL flights (DL required for transatlantic) portion. Fare prices all the way to HNL with a mix of carriers on the SEZ-Europe and US-HNL portions, and DL flights over the water (including AF codeshares). Despite there being availability on all of the flights I've looked at in the necessary booking classes, I cannot get this DFFWSC fare to price out. It does allow generous stopovers, meaning for me it works out as a SEZ-West Coast flight, then later on a West Coast-HNL flight. For the price, for my needs, not a bad deal.
Wondering if it's a ghost/phantom fare, but then why would the CFFWSC fare price out? It uses the same inventory on the Etihad flights (J) which is plentiful; it's the inventory on the Delta-operated flights that seems to price out only using the C fare basis versus the D code. D is widely available on all of the dates I've looked at. The MPM, routing rules and fare rules for both the CFFWSC and DFFWSC are identical, with the exception of the booking class (D vs C).
Can anyone help?
Jun 19, 2013, 12:15 pm
#1271
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Manhattan Beach, California
Programs: BMI Diamond Club Gold forever
Posts: 6,367
Sorry can't help with the DFFWSC vs CFFWSC booking question. But I did notice a RT fare ZSFSC (similar fare rules) that is priced below the C OW fare. With a 360 return, that could be interesting.
This is the fare I see filed:
V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG
1 DFFWSC D‡O 2287.00 ---- -/‡ -/ - AT01
PASSENGER TYPE-ADT AUTO PRICE-YES
FROM-SEZ TO-HNL CXR-DL TVL-01JAN14 RULE-WBFF IPRA/1
FARE BASIS-DFFWSC NORMAL FARE DIS-N VENDOR-ATP
FARE TYPE-BU OW-BUSINESS CLASS UNRESTRICTED
SCR 27028 MPM E07JAN12 D-INFINITY FC-DFFWSC FN-
SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 06JAN12/1637 EXPIRES INFINITY
PUBLISHED RTG SEZ-HNL/DL EF-07JAN12 DIS-INDEF
/VIA THE ATLANTIC/ MPM 15027
MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES BETWEEN ORIGIN AND DESTINATION
MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES ORIGIN TO DESTINATION
V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG
1 DFFWSC D‡O 2287.00 ---- -/‡ -/ - AT01
PASSENGER TYPE-ADT AUTO PRICE-YES
FROM-SEZ TO-HNL CXR-DL TVL-01JAN14 RULE-WBFF IPRA/1
FARE BASIS-DFFWSC NORMAL FARE DIS-N VENDOR-ATP
FARE TYPE-BU OW-BUSINESS CLASS UNRESTRICTED
SCR 27028 MPM E07JAN12 D-INFINITY FC-DFFWSC FN-
SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 06JAN12/1637 EXPIRES INFINITY
PUBLISHED RTG SEZ-HNL/DL EF-07JAN12 DIS-INDEF
/VIA THE ATLANTIC/ MPM 15027
MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES BETWEEN ORIGIN AND DESTINATION
MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES ORIGIN TO DESTINATION
Jun 19, 2013, 12:34 pm
#1272
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: LAX
Programs: AA Gold (prev. Ex Plat for 10 years); DL Plat; UA Gold; Hilton Diamond
Posts: 2,338
Also a great find, but couldn't find a way to price that one either - everything seems to default to the highest fare in each case (all C-basis, CFFSC in this case).
Jun 19, 2013, 4:52 pm
#1273
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: LAX
Programs: AA Gold (prev. Ex Plat for 10 years); DL Plat; UA Gold; Hilton Diamond
Posts: 2,338
OK, this is not the best deal in the world, admittedly, but the flights actually work for a trip I'm planning.
This is the fare I see filed:
V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG
1 DFFWSC D‡O 2287.00 ---- -/‡ -/ - AT01
PASSENGER TYPE-ADT AUTO PRICE-YES
FROM-SEZ TO-HNL CXR-DL TVL-01JAN14 RULE-WBFF IPRA/1
FARE BASIS-DFFWSC NORMAL FARE DIS-N VENDOR-ATP
FARE TYPE-BU OW-BUSINESS CLASS UNRESTRICTED
SCR 27028 MPM E07JAN12 D-INFINITY FC-DFFWSC FN-
SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 06JAN12/1637 EXPIRES INFINITY
PUBLISHED RTG SEZ-HNL/DL EF-07JAN12 DIS-INDEF
/VIA THE ATLANTIC/ MPM 15027
MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES BETWEEN ORIGIN AND DESTINATION
MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES ORIGIN TO DESTINATION
I am able to confirm the higher priced sister of this fare, CFFWSC (about 3100 USD plus taxes/fees), using a combination of Etihad and DL flights (DL required for transatlantic) portion. Fare prices all the way to HNL with a mix of carriers on the SEZ-Europe and US-HNL portions, and DL flights over the water (including AF codeshares). Despite there being availability on all of the flights I've looked at in the necessary booking classes, I cannot get this DFFWSC fare to price out. It does allow generous stopovers, meaning for me it works out as a SEZ-West Coast flight, then later on a West Coast-HNL flight. For the price, for my needs, not a bad deal.
Wondering if it's a ghost/phantom fare, but then why would the CFFWSC fare price out? It uses the same inventory on the Etihad flights (J) which is plentiful; it's the inventory on the Delta-operated flights that seems to price out only using the C fare basis versus the D code. D is widely available on all of the dates I've looked at. The MPM, routing rules and fare rules for both the CFFWSC and DFFWSC are identical, with the exception of the booking class (D vs C).
Can anyone help?
This is the fare I see filed:
V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG
1 DFFWSC D‡O 2287.00 ---- -/‡ -/ - AT01
PASSENGER TYPE-ADT AUTO PRICE-YES
FROM-SEZ TO-HNL CXR-DL TVL-01JAN14 RULE-WBFF IPRA/1
FARE BASIS-DFFWSC NORMAL FARE DIS-N VENDOR-ATP
FARE TYPE-BU OW-BUSINESS CLASS UNRESTRICTED
SCR 27028 MPM E07JAN12 D-INFINITY FC-DFFWSC FN-
SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 06JAN12/1637 EXPIRES INFINITY
PUBLISHED RTG SEZ-HNL/DL EF-07JAN12 DIS-INDEF
/VIA THE ATLANTIC/ MPM 15027
MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES BETWEEN ORIGIN AND DESTINATION
MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES ORIGIN TO DESTINATION
I am able to confirm the higher priced sister of this fare, CFFWSC (about 3100 USD plus taxes/fees), using a combination of Etihad and DL flights (DL required for transatlantic) portion. Fare prices all the way to HNL with a mix of carriers on the SEZ-Europe and US-HNL portions, and DL flights over the water (including AF codeshares). Despite there being availability on all of the flights I've looked at in the necessary booking classes, I cannot get this DFFWSC fare to price out. It does allow generous stopovers, meaning for me it works out as a SEZ-West Coast flight, then later on a West Coast-HNL flight. For the price, for my needs, not a bad deal.
Wondering if it's a ghost/phantom fare, but then why would the CFFWSC fare price out? It uses the same inventory on the Etihad flights (J) which is plentiful; it's the inventory on the Delta-operated flights that seems to price out only using the C fare basis versus the D code. D is widely available on all of the dates I've looked at. The MPM, routing rules and fare rules for both the CFFWSC and DFFWSC are identical, with the exception of the booking class (D vs C).
Can anyone help?
Jun 20, 2013, 5:26 am
#1274
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: BOS
Programs: DL DM 2MM, Marriott LT Titanium, Hertz PC, Avis PC
Posts: 15,193
AS: BOS-OGG $1755ai (F)
Sample:
Aug 21 BOS-SEA-SAN-OGG-SAN-SEA-BOS $1755ai (F) (12148mi ~14.4cpm)
-FROM HAWAII - PERMITTED 08JAN THROUGH 15FEB OR 17APR THROUGH 19JUN OR 21AUG THROUGH 13DEC FOR EACH OVERWATER SEGMENT.
TO HAWAII - PERMITTED 08JAN THROUGH 15FEB OR 17APR THROUGH 09JUN OR 21AUG THROUGH 13DEC FOR EACH OVERWATER SEGMENT.
-2 FREE STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT - 1 IN EACH DIRECTION IN SEA/PDX/SAN/SMF/SJC/OAK.
-FOR ONE WAY FARES.
Is anyone interested in/looking for/flying these types of F/J fares for DL MQM?
Sample:
Aug 21 BOS-SEA-SAN-OGG-SAN-SEA-BOS $1755ai (F) (12148mi ~14.4cpm)
-FROM HAWAII - PERMITTED 08JAN THROUGH 15FEB OR 17APR THROUGH 19JUN OR 21AUG THROUGH 13DEC FOR EACH OVERWATER SEGMENT.
TO HAWAII - PERMITTED 08JAN THROUGH 15FEB OR 17APR THROUGH 09JUN OR 21AUG THROUGH 13DEC FOR EACH OVERWATER SEGMENT.
-2 FREE STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT - 1 IN EACH DIRECTION IN SEA/PDX/SAN/SMF/SJC/OAK.
-FOR ONE WAY FARES.
Is anyone interested in/looking for/flying these types of F/J fares for DL MQM?
Jun 20, 2013, 12:46 pm
#1275
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Programs: UA Plat 2MM. DL Plat, AS MVP
Posts: 12,752
UA: LAX-TLV $3021 ai RT (Z fare Business; next winter/spring)
I know low fares often pop up in this market for discounted business. But this is lower than I have seen in a while. LA seems to price lower than most other cities.
