May 21, 13, 12:18 pm
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Sep 22, 13, 2:46 pm
#1861
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBOSman
Also to the original post, is the DL fare an unlimited connection MPM fare? Could get interesting due to the late departure times of flights down to South America if you really want to beat up the 500-mile minimum rule...
I don't see a reference to MPM in the fare rules on EF. I could be looking in the wrong place or don't understand the rules well enough to figure it out though.
The first itin I attempted had the same routing and DL.com gave me the same price until I tried to book and it changed the fare to $3800. I called and an agent quoted me the higher fare as well. DL.com is notorious for this sort of tease.
I initially assumed that it must be due to an MPM rule, but it's not the case because I eventually found the lower pricing on the same routing, except this time with a 35 minute cxn in MSP as opposed to a safe 2 hour cxn with the higher priced routing. Fare classes were the same so I have no idea why they priced differently.
The routing rules from EF are listed below. I don't know exactly how to interpret them. But it does look like a transfer in SCL is possible. I have an overnight in LAX scheduled.
1. SFO-DL/AS-LAX-SLC-NYC/DEN/CVG/CHI-DTT-ATL-SCL-DL/AR/AF/AC-
BUE
2. SFO-SLC-LAX-CVG-NYC-DTT-ATL-SCL-DL/AR/AF/AC-BUE
3. SFO-DL/AS-LAX-SLC-NYC/DEN/CVG/CHI-DTT-ATL-SCL-KL/BA/AR-BUE
4. SFO-SLC-LAX-CVG-NYC-DTT-ATL-SCL-KL/BA/AR-BUE
5. SFO-DL/AS-LAX-SLC-NYC/DEN/CVG/CHI-DTT-ATL-BUE
6. SFO-SLC-LAX-CVG-NYC-DTT-ATL-BUE
7. SFO-DL/AS-LAX-SLC-NYC/DEN/CVG/CHI-DTT-ATL-DL-BUE
8. SFO-SLC-LAX-CVG-NYC-DTT-ATL-DL-BUE
Originally Posted by TheBOSman
Also to the original post, is the DL fare an unlimited connection MPM fare? Could get interesting due to the late departure times of flights down to South America if you really want to beat up the 500-mile minimum rule...
I don't see a reference to MPM in the fare rules on EF. I could be looking in the wrong place or don't understand the rules well enough to figure it out though.
The first itin I attempted had the same routing and DL.com gave me the same price until I tried to book and it changed the fare to $3800. I called and an agent quoted me the higher fare as well. DL.com is notorious for this sort of tease.
I initially assumed that it must be due to an MPM rule, but it's not the case because I eventually found the lower pricing on the same routing, except this time with a 35 minute cxn in MSP as opposed to a safe 2 hour cxn with the higher priced routing. Fare classes were the same so I have no idea why they priced differently.
The routing rules from EF are listed below. I don't know exactly how to interpret them. But it does look like a transfer in SCL is possible. I have an overnight in LAX scheduled.
1. SFO-DL/AS-LAX-SLC-NYC/DEN/CVG/CHI-DTT-ATL-SCL-DL/AR/AF/AC-
BUE
2. SFO-SLC-LAX-CVG-NYC-DTT-ATL-SCL-DL/AR/AF/AC-BUE
3. SFO-DL/AS-LAX-SLC-NYC/DEN/CVG/CHI-DTT-ATL-SCL-KL/BA/AR-BUE
4. SFO-SLC-LAX-CVG-NYC-DTT-ATL-SCL-KL/BA/AR-BUE
5. SFO-DL/AS-LAX-SLC-NYC/DEN/CVG/CHI-DTT-ATL-BUE
6. SFO-SLC-LAX-CVG-NYC-DTT-ATL-BUE
7. SFO-DL/AS-LAX-SLC-NYC/DEN/CVG/CHI-DTT-ATL-DL-BUE
8. SFO-SLC-LAX-CVG-NYC-DTT-ATL-DL-BUE
Sep 22, 13, 3:48 pm
#1862
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: KATL
Programs: DL DM/2MM
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So if I'm reading the connection rules right, then a dash means that you can visit all of those places in the stated order, but you can also skip any stop. For stops separated by a slash, you can visit any one of them on a particular leg.
There is actually less flexibility on the outbound than you might think. Despite the late departure, you have the time zones working against you coming from the west coast to ATL. The options are limited, unless you want to overnight somewhere or double red-eye (not me!).
There's actually a lot more room to maneuver on the way back because of the 6AM arrival in ATL and you have the time zones working in your favor.
Also, ATL>SCL>AEP only adds 80 MQMs over ATL>EZE because of the reduced earnings on AR. So adding SCL wouldn't be worth it other than to have the additional stop. And I haven't been able to add a stopover in SCL and keep the pricing.
There is actually less flexibility on the outbound than you might think. Despite the late departure, you have the time zones working against you coming from the west coast to ATL. The options are limited, unless you want to overnight somewhere or double red-eye (not me!).
There's actually a lot more room to maneuver on the way back because of the 6AM arrival in ATL and you have the time zones working in your favor.
Also, ATL>SCL>AEP only adds 80 MQMs over ATL>EZE because of the reduced earnings on AR. So adding SCL wouldn't be worth it other than to have the additional stop. And I haven't been able to add a stopover in SCL and keep the pricing.
Last edited by 18sas; Sep 22, 13 at 8:02 pm
Sep 23, 13, 7:20 am
#1863
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: BHX
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Just booked LHR-DXB-BOM-DXB-LHR on EK for £1650 in Business.
Added a stop in DXB on the return for a few days.
Upgraded the LHR-DXB and DXB-LHR legs to F with miles, so a very cheap way to fly F on the EK A380.
Added a stop in DXB on the return for a few days.
Upgraded the LHR-DXB and DXB-LHR legs to F with miles, so a very cheap way to fly F on the EK A380.
Sep 23, 13, 3:10 pm
#1865
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,233
DL: LAX-LAS ~$210ai (G)
Sample:
Oct 26 LAX-LAS-LAX ~$210ai (G)
-PERMITTED TUE/WED/SAT.
-RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE NOT PERMITTED UNTIL 90 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE.
-21 Day Advance.
Sample:
Oct 26 LAX-LAS-LAX ~$210ai (G)
-PERMITTED TUE/WED/SAT.
-RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE NOT PERMITTED UNTIL 90 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE.
-21 Day Advance.
Sep 23, 13, 8:05 pm
#1866
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: KATL
Programs: DL DM/2MM
Posts: 1,989
DL: SFO-EZE ~$2600ai
After a lot of tinkering, I think I have finally settled on
SFO-JFK-ATL-EZE-ATL-DTW-SFO
That's 24,209 MQM/EQM for $2627ai = 10.9cpm
This was the optimal solution for me in terms of earnings and schedule. There were other possibilities with more MQM earning potential but this just works out better.
SFO-JFK-ATL-EZE-ATL-DTW-SFO
That's 24,209 MQM/EQM for $2627ai = 10.9cpm
This was the optimal solution for me in terms of earnings and schedule. There were other possibilities with more MQM earning potential but this just works out better.
Sep 24, 13, 1:47 pm
#1867
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Paris, France
Programs: A3*G, Accor ALL Gold
Posts: 536
TRAVEL FROM LAST FARE BREAK OUTSIDE COUNTRY OF FARE ORIGIN
MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN 5 DAYS AFTER ARRIVAL AT THE
FIRST FARE BREAK OUTSIDE COUNTRY OF FARE ORIGIN.
Sep 24, 13, 9:00 pm
#1868
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,155
Not a super deal for miles alone, but since I promised my wife a trip to IPC I've been watching the LA and AA fares to IPC from a number of starting points.
SEA-IPC starts at $2,397.30 a/i, fare basis is ILE5MDQ1 book by end of Sept.
7 day min & no stopovers permitted in Chile or Peru though, so I guess best you get is 24 hours on either side of the journey to/from IPC in those cities if you want. But does allow stopovers in US (which can be used to lessen the 7 day stay because the 7 days is from "departure from fare origin") and I was able to find some creative routings thru the east coast that yield about 20k miles.
There is still a sub $1500 ex-MEX fare to IPC that seems to allow stops in LIM/SCL, but requires getting to MEX.
SEA-IPC starts at $2,397.30 a/i, fare basis is ILE5MDQ1 book by end of Sept.
7 day min & no stopovers permitted in Chile or Peru though, so I guess best you get is 24 hours on either side of the journey to/from IPC in those cities if you want. But does allow stopovers in US (which can be used to lessen the 7 day stay because the 7 days is from "departure from fare origin") and I was able to find some creative routings thru the east coast that yield about 20k miles.
There is still a sub $1500 ex-MEX fare to IPC that seems to allow stops in LIM/SCL, but requires getting to MEX.
Sep 25, 13, 1:26 am
#1869
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: ANC
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UA/HKG-GUM-NRT-GUM-HKG for $707 on ITA, books into P
works out to be just over 6cpm
works out to be just over 6cpm
Sep 25, 13, 10:26 am
#1872
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: ORD
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Sep 25, 13, 11:00 am
#1873
Join Date: May 2006
Location: PMD
Programs: UA*G, NW, AA-G. WR-G, HH-S, IHG, ALL. TT-GE.
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Sep 25, 13, 11:01 am
#1874
Join Date: Nov 2008
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Sep 25, 13, 11:20 am
#1875
Suspended
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LAX-DFW $299 all-in one-way Virgin America first
Sample Date: 15 Oct 2013
Sample Date: 15 Oct 2013
