AC: EWR - BER/DUS $596 - June, July, August
Mar 27, 2012, 5:17 pm
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Mar 27, 2012, 5:23 pm
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In this case, yes. Given the exact dates of the OP, the fare basis that it prices at has K as the second letter which indicates shoulder season for JV TATL (UA/AC/LH-group) fares specifically and *A fares in general (H is high season, L is low season). In this case, the shoulder season fare is good for 1 May to 31 Oct on outbound TATL sector, which is abnormal. (I'm guessing we're seeing a misfile.) Also unusual (though not unheard of, I've seen it a number of times; the example that jumps to mind are the UA LAX-NRT fares last Sep.) is that the K-class shoulder fare is lower than the K-class low season fare.
ETA: Here's a quick dump of the cheapest AC (which is same as all *A TATL JV fares) EWR-BER fares. Below that is the seasonality of each specific fare.
Extremely interesting is the seasonality on the SK***** (S-class, shoulder season) fares, which is a much more traditional shoulder season date range:
I've also never seen seasonality coded 2 years ahead. I'm guessing they've been playing with automating generation of seasonality of fare rules and screwed up.
ETA #2: Wow. Even high season has screwy seasonality - KHXNC10S: "PERMITTED 18MAY 12 THROUGH 31MAY 12 OR 12AUG 12 THROUGH 25AUG 12." Reinforces my guess that they're experimenting with automated seasonality generation (and that there's DEFINITELY a mistake at play here).
ETA #3: On further reflection, there's a good chance that the base fare is not a mistake, but rather a response to AB's fares and entry into OW. It is not unprecedented to have fares without any meaningful seasonality restrictions if the promo fare is aggressive. (Also possible is new BER airport is complicating the TXL move.) Below are *A JV TATL fares ATL-BER for a comparison with more traditional seasonality:
ETA #4: Third time's the charm. It's a response to AB. Here are the AB fares:
ETA: Here's a quick dump of the cheapest AC (which is same as all *A TATL JV fares) EWR-BER fares. Below that is the seasonality of each specific fare.
Code:
>FQDewrber/aac
FQDEWRBER/AAC
ALSO SEE NYCBER XF MAY APPLY
>m
ROE 1.00 NEAREST 1.00 USD
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC EWRBER/NLX;AT/TPM 3969/MPM 4762
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
01/KKNC2N 147 K NRF S31OCT - @ 3@SU@ - R
02/KLNC2N 161 K NRF S30APR @ 3@SU@ - R
03/TKXNC16S 317 T NRF S17MAY B12APR@ 7@SU@ 1M R
F15JUN -
04/TKWNC16S 387 T NRF S17MAY B12APR@ 7@SU@ 1M R
F15JUN -
05/SLX6NCE 392 S NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
06/SKXNC16T 417 S NRF S17MAY B12APR@ 7@SU@ 1M R
F15JUN -
07/KHXNC10S 420 K NRF S31MAY B12APR@14@SU@ 1M R
08/SLW6NCE 462 S NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
09/WLX5NCE 472 W NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
10/SKWNC16T 487 S NRF S17MAY B12APR@ 7@SU@ 1M R
F15JUN -
11/KHWNC10S 490 K NRF S31MAY B12APR@14@SU@ 1M R
12/SKX6NCE 492 S NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
13/WLW5NCE 542 W NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
14/SKW6NCE 572 S NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
> PAGE 2/ 6
Code:
>fqn1*se
FQN1*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC EWRBER/NLX;AT/TPM 3969/MPM 4762
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
01/KKNC2N 147 K NRF S31OCT - @ 3@SU@ - R
FCL: KKNC2N TRF: 1 RULE: E600 BK: K
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XAN-NON REFUNDABLE APEX
SE.SEASONS
FOR SHOULDER SEASON KKNC2N TYPE FARES
PERMITTED 01MAY 12 THROUGH 31OCT 12 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn2*se
FQN2*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC EWRBER/NLX;AT/TPM 3969/MPM 4762
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
02/KLNC2N 161 K NRF S30APR @ 3@SU@ - R
FCL: KLNC2N TRF: 1 RULE: E600 BK: K
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XAN-NON REFUNDABLE APEX
SE.SEASONS
FOR LOW/OFF-PEAK SEASON KLNC2N TYPE FARES
PERMITTED 20JAN 12 THROUGH 30APR 12 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn3*se
FQN3*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC EWRBER/NLX;AT/TPM 3969/MPM 4762
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
03/TKXNC16S 317 T NRF S17MAY B12APR@ 7@SU@ 1M R
F15JUN -
FCL: TKXNC16S TRF: 1 RULE: E700 BK: T
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XPN-INSTANT PURCHASE NONREF
SE.SEASONS
FOR SHOULDER SEASON TKXNC16S TYPE FARES
PERMITTED 02APR 12 THROUGH 17MAY 12 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn4*se
FQN4*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC EWRBER/NLX;AT/TPM 3969/MPM 4762
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
04/TKWNC16S 387 T NRF S17MAY B12APR@ 7@SU@ 1M R
F15JUN -
FCL: TKWNC16S TRF: 1 RULE: E700 BK: T
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XPN-INSTANT PURCHASE NONREF
SE.SEASONS
FOR SHOULDER SEASON TKWNC16S TYPE FARES
PERMITTED 02APR 12 THROUGH 17MAY 12 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>
>fqn5*se
FQN5*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC EWRBER/NLX;AT/TPM 3969/MPM 4762
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
05/SLX6NCE 392 S NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
FCL: SLX6NCE TRF: 1 RULE: E600 BK: S
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XAN-NON REFUNDABLE APEX
SE.SEASONS
FROM/TO EUROPE FOR LOW/OFF-PEAK SEASON FARES
PERMITTED 07MAR 12 THROUGH 28MAR 12 OR 28OCT 12 THROUGH
12DEC 12 OR 24DEC 12 THROUGH 21MAR 13 OR 27OCT 13 THROUGH
12DEC 13 OR 24DEC 13 THROUGH 27MAR 14 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn6*se
FQN6*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC EWRBER/NLX;AT/TPM 3969/MPM 4762
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
06/SKXNC16T 417 S NRF S17MAY B12APR@ 7@SU@ 1M R
F15JUN -
FCL: SKXNC16T TRF: 1 RULE: E700 BK: S
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XPN-INSTANT PURCHASE NONREF
SE.SEASONS
FOR SHOULDER SEASON SKXNC16T TYPE FARES
PERMITTED 02APR 12 THROUGH 17MAY 12 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn7*se
FQN7*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC EWRBER/NLX;AT/TPM 3969/MPM 4762
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
07/KHXNC10S 420 K NRF S31MAY B12APR@14@SU@ 1M R
FCL: KHXNC10S TRF: 1 RULE: E700 BK: K
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XPN-INSTANT PURCHASE NONREF
SE.SEASONS
FROM/TO GERMANY FOR HIGH SEASON KHXNC10S TYPE FARES
PERMITTED 18MAY 12 THROUGH 31MAY 12 OR 12AUG 12 THROUGH
25AUG 12.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn8*se
FQN8*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC EWRBER/NLX;AT/TPM 3969/MPM 4762
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
08/SLW6NCE 462 S NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
FCL: SLW6NCE TRF: 1 RULE: E600 BK: S
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XAN-NON REFUNDABLE APEX
SE.SEASONS
FROM/TO EUROPE FOR LOW/OFF-PEAK SEASON FARES
PERMITTED 07MAR 12 THROUGH 28MAR 12 OR 28OCT 12 THROUGH
12DEC 12 OR 24DEC 12 THROUGH 21MAR 13 OR 27OCT 13 THROUGH
12DEC 13 OR 24DEC 13 THROUGH 27MAR 14 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn9*se
FQN9*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC EWRBER/NLX;AT/TPM 3969/MPM 4762
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
09/WLX5NCE 472 W NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
FCL: WLX5NCE TRF: 1 RULE: E600 BK: W
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XAN-NON REFUNDABLE APEX
SE.SEASONS
FROM/TO EUROPE FOR LOW/OFF-PEAK SEASON FARES
PERMITTED 07MAR 12 THROUGH 28MAR 12 OR 28OCT 12 THROUGH
12DEC 12 OR 24DEC 12 THROUGH 21MAR 13 OR 27OCT 13 THROUGH
12DEC 13 OR 24DEC 13 THROUGH 27MAR 14 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn10*se
FQN10*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC EWRBER/NLX;AT/TPM 3969/MPM 4762
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
10/SKWNC16T 487 S NRF S17MAY B12APR@ 7@SU@ 1M R
F15JUN -
FCL: SKWNC16T TRF: 1 RULE: E700 BK: S
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XPN-INSTANT PURCHASE NONREF
SE.SEASONS
FOR SHOULDER SEASON SKWNC16T TYPE FARES
PERMITTED 02APR 12 THROUGH 17MAY 12 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>
>fqn11*se
FQN11*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC EWRBER/NLX;AT/TPM 3969/MPM 4762
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
11/KHWNC10S 490 K NRF S31MAY B12APR@14@SU@ 1M R
FCL: KHWNC10S TRF: 1 RULE: E700 BK: K
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XPN-INSTANT PURCHASE NONREF
SE.SEASONS
FROM/TO GERMANY FOR HIGH SEASON KHWNC10S TYPE FARES
PERMITTED 18MAY 12 THROUGH 31MAY 12 OR 12AUG 12 THROUGH
25AUG 12.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn12*se
FQN12*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC EWRBER/NLX;AT/TPM 3969/MPM 4762
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
12/SKX6NCE 492 S NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
FCL: SKX6NCE TRF: 1 RULE: E600 BK: S
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XAN-NON REFUNDABLE APEX
SE.SEASONS
FROM/TO EUROPE FOR SHOULDER SEASON FARES
PERMITTED 29MAR 12 THROUGH 17MAY 12 OR 26AUG 12 THROUGH
27OCT 12 OR 13DEC 12 THROUGH 23DEC 12 OR 22MAR 13 THROUGH
16MAY 13 OR 25AUG 13 THROUGH 26OCT 13 OR 13DEC 13 THROUGH
23DEC 13 OR 28MAR 14 THROUGH 31MAR 14 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn13*se
FQN13*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC EWRBER/NLX;AT/TPM 3969/MPM 4762
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
13/WLW5NCE 542 W NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
FCL: WLW5NCE TRF: 1 RULE: E600 BK: W
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XAN-NON REFUNDABLE APEX
SE.SEASONS
FROM/TO EUROPE FOR LOW/OFF-PEAK SEASON FARES
PERMITTED 07MAR 12 THROUGH 28MAR 12 OR 28OCT 12 THROUGH
12DEC 12 OR 24DEC 12 THROUGH 21MAR 13 OR 27OCT 13 THROUGH
12DEC 13 OR 24DEC 13 THROUGH 27MAR 14 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn14*se
FQN14*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC EWRBER/NLX;AT/TPM 3969/MPM 4762
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
14/SKW6NCE 572 S NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
FCL: SKW6NCE TRF: 1 RULE: E600 BK: S
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XAN-NON REFUNDABLE APEX
SE.SEASONS
FROM/TO EUROPE FOR SHOULDER SEASON FARES
PERMITTED 29MAR 12 THROUGH 17MAY 12 OR 26AUG 12 THROUGH
27OCT 12 OR 13DEC 12 THROUGH 23DEC 12 OR 22MAR 13 THROUGH
16MAY 13 OR 25AUG 13 THROUGH 26OCT 13 OR 13DEC 13 THROUGH
23DEC 13 OR 28MAR 14 THROUGH 31MAR 14 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>
Code:
PERMITTED 29MAR 12 THROUGH 17MAY 12 OR 26AUG 12 THROUGH 27OCT 12 OR 13DEC 12 THROUGH 23DEC 12 OR 22MAR 13 THROUGH 16MAY 13 OR 25AUG 13 THROUGH 26OCT 13 OR 13DEC 13 THROUGH 23DEC 13 OR 28MAR 14 THROUGH 31MAR 14 ON THE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
ETA #2: Wow. Even high season has screwy seasonality - KHXNC10S: "PERMITTED 18MAY 12 THROUGH 31MAY 12 OR 12AUG 12 THROUGH 25AUG 12." Reinforces my guess that they're experimenting with automated seasonality generation (and that there's DEFINITELY a mistake at play here).
ETA #3: On further reflection, there's a good chance that the base fare is not a mistake, but rather a response to AB's fares and entry into OW. It is not unprecedented to have fares without any meaningful seasonality restrictions if the promo fare is aggressive. (Also possible is new BER airport is complicating the TXL move.) Below are *A JV TATL fares ATL-BER for a comparison with more traditional seasonality:
Code:
>FQDatlber/aac
FQDATLBER/AAC
> PAGE 1/ 5
>m
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC ATLBER/NLX;AT/TPM 4725/MPM 5670
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
01 SKXNC16S 302 S NRF S17MAY B12APR@ 7@SU@ 1M R
F15JUN -
02 SKWNC16S 372 S NRF S17MAY B12APR@ 7@SU@ 1M R
F15JUN -
03 LKXNC16T 402 L NRF S17MAY B12APR@ 7@SU@ 1M R
F15JUN -
04 LKWNC16T 472 L NRF S17MAY B12APR@ 7@SU@ 1M R
F15JUN -
05 SKX6NCE 637 S NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
06 SLX6NCE 653 S NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
07 SLW6NCE 713 S NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
08 SKW6NCE 717 S NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
09 WKX5NCE 717 W NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
10 WLX5NCE 733 W NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
11 WLW5NCE 793 W NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
12 WKW5NCE 797 W NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
13 KHXNC10S 802 K NRF S31MAY B12APR@14@SU@ 1M R
14 VKX4NCE 817 V NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
15 VLX4NCE 833 V NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
> PAGE 2/ 5
Code:
>fqn1*se
FQN1*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC ATLBER/NLX;AT/TPM 4725/MPM 5670
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
01 SKXNC16S 302 S NRF S17MAY B12APR@ 7@SU@ 1M R
F15JUN -
FCL: SKXNC16S TRF: 1 RULE: E700 BK: S
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XPN-INSTANT PURCHASE NONREF
SE.SEASONS
FOR SHOULDER SEASON SKXNC16S TYPE FARES
PERMITTED 02APR 12 THROUGH 17MAY 12 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn2*se
FQN2*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC ATLBER/NLX;AT/TPM 4725/MPM 5670
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
02 SKWNC16S 372 S NRF S17MAY B12APR@ 7@SU@ 1M R
F15JUN -
FCL: SKWNC16S TRF: 1 RULE: E700 BK: S
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XPN-INSTANT PURCHASE NONREF
SE.SEASONS
FOR SHOULDER SEASON SKWNC16S TYPE FARES
PERMITTED 02APR 12 THROUGH 17MAY 12 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn3*se
FQN3*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC ATLBER/NLX;AT/TPM 4725/MPM 5670
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
03 LKXNC16T 402 L NRF S17MAY B12APR@ 7@SU@ 1M R
F15JUN -
FCL: LKXNC16T TRF: 1 RULE: E700 BK: L
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XPN-INSTANT PURCHASE NONREF
SE.SEASONS
FOR SHOULDER SEASON LKXNC16T TYPE FARES
PERMITTED 02APR 12 THROUGH 17MAY 12 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn4*se
FQN4*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC ATLBER/NLX;AT/TPM 4725/MPM 5670
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
04 LKWNC16T 472 L NRF S17MAY B12APR@ 7@SU@ 1M R
F15JUN -
FCL: LKWNC16T TRF: 1 RULE: E700 BK: L
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XPN-INSTANT PURCHASE NONREF
SE.SEASONS
FOR SHOULDER SEASON LKWNC16T TYPE FARES
PERMITTED 02APR 12 THROUGH 17MAY 12 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn5*se
FQN5*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC ATLBER/NLX;AT/TPM 4725/MPM 5670
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
05 SKX6NCE 637 S NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
FCL: SKX6NCE TRF: 1 RULE: E600 BK: S
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XAN-NON REFUNDABLE APEX
SE.SEASONS
FROM/TO EUROPE FOR SHOULDER SEASON FARES
PERMITTED 29MAR 12 THROUGH 17MAY 12 OR 26AUG 12 THROUGH
27OCT 12 OR 13DEC 12 THROUGH 23DEC 12 OR 22MAR 13 THROUGH
16MAY 13 OR 25AUG 13 THROUGH 26OCT 13 OR 13DEC 13 THROUGH
23DEC 13 OR 28MAR 14 THROUGH 31MAR 14 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn6*se
FQN6*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC ATLBER/NLX;AT/TPM 4725/MPM 5670
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
06 SLX6NCE 653 S NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
FCL: SLX6NCE TRF: 1 RULE: E600 BK: S
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XAN-NON REFUNDABLE APEX
SE.SEASONS
FROM/TO EUROPE FOR LOW/OFF-PEAK SEASON FARES
PERMITTED 07MAR 12 THROUGH 28MAR 12 OR 28OCT 12 THROUGH
12DEC 12 OR 24DEC 12 THROUGH 21MAR 13 OR 27OCT 13 THROUGH
12DEC 13 OR 24DEC 13 THROUGH 27MAR 14 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn7*se
FQN7*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC ATLBER/NLX;AT/TPM 4725/MPM 5670
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
07 SLW6NCE 713 S NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
FCL: SLW6NCE TRF: 1 RULE: E600 BK: S
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XAN-NON REFUNDABLE APEX
SE.SEASONS
FROM/TO EUROPE FOR LOW/OFF-PEAK SEASON FARES
PERMITTED 07MAR 12 THROUGH 28MAR 12 OR 28OCT 12 THROUGH
12DEC 12 OR 24DEC 12 THROUGH 21MAR 13 OR 27OCT 13 THROUGH
12DEC 13 OR 24DEC 13 THROUGH 27MAR 14 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn8*se
FQN8*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC ATLBER/NLX;AT/TPM 4725/MPM 5670
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
08 SKW6NCE 717 S NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
FCL: SKW6NCE TRF: 1 RULE: E600 BK: S
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XAN-NON REFUNDABLE APEX
SE.SEASONS
FROM/TO EUROPE FOR SHOULDER SEASON FARES
PERMITTED 29MAR 12 THROUGH 17MAY 12 OR 26AUG 12 THROUGH
27OCT 12 OR 13DEC 12 THROUGH 23DEC 12 OR 22MAR 13 THROUGH
16MAY 13 OR 25AUG 13 THROUGH 26OCT 13 OR 13DEC 13 THROUGH
23DEC 13 OR 28MAR 14 THROUGH 31MAR 14 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn9*se
FQN9*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC ATLBER/NLX;AT/TPM 4725/MPM 5670
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
09 WKX5NCE 717 W NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
FCL: WKX5NCE TRF: 1 RULE: E600 BK: W
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XAN-NON REFUNDABLE APEX
SE.SEASONS
FROM/TO EUROPE FOR SHOULDER SEASON FARES
PERMITTED 29MAR 12 THROUGH 17MAY 12 OR 26AUG 12 THROUGH
27OCT 12 OR 13DEC 12 THROUGH 23DEC 12 OR 22MAR 13 THROUGH
16MAY 13 OR 25AUG 13 THROUGH 26OCT 13 OR 13DEC 13 THROUGH
23DEC 13 OR 28MAR 14 THROUGH 31MAR 14 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn10*se
FQN10*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC ATLBER/NLX;AT/TPM 4725/MPM 5670
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
10 WLX5NCE 733 W NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
FCL: WLX5NCE TRF: 1 RULE: E600 BK: W
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XAN-NON REFUNDABLE APEX
SE.SEASONS
FROM/TO EUROPE FOR LOW/OFF-PEAK SEASON FARES
PERMITTED 07MAR 12 THROUGH 28MAR 12 OR 28OCT 12 THROUGH
12DEC 12 OR 24DEC 12 THROUGH 21MAR 13 OR 27OCT 13 THROUGH
12DEC 13 OR 24DEC 13 THROUGH 27MAR 14 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn11*se
FQN11*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC ATLBER/NLX;AT/TPM 4725/MPM 5670
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
11 WLW5NCE 793 W NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
FCL: WLW5NCE TRF: 1 RULE: E600 BK: W
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XAN-NON REFUNDABLE APEX
SE.SEASONS
FROM/TO EUROPE FOR LOW/OFF-PEAK SEASON FARES
PERMITTED 07MAR 12 THROUGH 28MAR 12 OR 28OCT 12 THROUGH
12DEC 12 OR 24DEC 12 THROUGH 21MAR 13 OR 27OCT 13 THROUGH
12DEC 13 OR 24DEC 13 THROUGH 27MAR 14 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn12*se
FQN12*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC ATLBER/NLX;AT/TPM 4725/MPM 5670
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
12 WKW5NCE 797 W NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
FCL: WKW5NCE TRF: 1 RULE: E600 BK: W
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XAN-NON REFUNDABLE APEX
SE.SEASONS
FROM/TO EUROPE FOR SHOULDER SEASON FARES
PERMITTED 29MAR 12 THROUGH 17MAY 12 OR 26AUG 12 THROUGH
27OCT 12 OR 13DEC 12 THROUGH 23DEC 12 OR 22MAR 13 THROUGH
16MAY 13 OR 25AUG 13 THROUGH 26OCT 13 OR 13DEC 13 THROUGH
23DEC 13 OR 28MAR 14 THROUGH 31MAR 14 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn13*se
FQN13*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC ATLBER/NLX;AT/TPM 4725/MPM 5670
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
13 KHXNC10S 802 K NRF S31MAY B12APR@14@SU@ 1M R
FCL: KHXNC10S TRF: 1 RULE: E700 BK: K
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XPN-INSTANT PURCHASE NONREF
SE.SEASONS
FROM/TO GERMANY FOR HIGH SEASON KHXNC10S TYPE FARES
PERMITTED 18MAY 12 THROUGH 31MAY 12 OR 12AUG 12 THROUGH
25AUG 12.
PAGE 1/ 1
>fqn14*se
FQN14*SE
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR12**02MAR13/AC ATLBER/NLX;AT/TPM 4725/MPM 5670
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
14 VKX4NCE 817 V NRF S - @ 7@SU@ 3M R
FCL: VKX4NCE TRF: 1 RULE: E600 BK: V
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XAN-NON REFUNDABLE APEX
SE.SEASONS
FROM/TO EUROPE FOR SHOULDER SEASON FARES
PERMITTED 29MAR 12 THROUGH 17MAY 12 OR 26AUG 12 THROUGH
27OCT 12 OR 13DEC 12 THROUGH 23DEC 12 OR 22MAR 13 THROUGH
16MAY 13 OR 25AUG 13 THROUGH 26OCT 13 OR 13DEC 13 THROUGH
23DEC 13 OR 28MAR 14 THROUGH 31MAR 14 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
PAGE 1/ 1
>
Code:
>FQDnycber/aab
FQDNYCBER/AAB
> PAGE 1/13
>m
27MAR12**02MAR13/AB NYCBER/NLX;AT/TPM 3969/MPM 4762
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
01 EFLYRT2 147 E @ B01APR E01MAY@ @ - - R
O31OCT -
02 WFLYRT2 153 W @ B01APR E01NOV@ @ - - R
03 EFLYRT2 161 E @ B01APR O30APR@ @ - - R
04 EFLYRT2 205 E @ B01APR E01NOV@ @ - - R
05 EFLYRT2 207 E @ B01APR O30APR@ @ - - R
06 PFLYRT2 226 P @ B01APR E01MAY@ @ - - R
O31OCT -
07 WFLYOW2 117 W @ B01APR E01NOV@ @ - - R
08 PFLYRT2 239 P @ B01APR O30APR@ @ - - R
09 EFLYOW2 121 E @ B01APR E01MAY@ @ - - R
O31OCT -
10 EFLYOW2 129 E @ B01APR O30APR@ @ - - R
11 PFLYRT2 266 P @ B01APR O30APR@ @ - - R
12 PFLYRT2 280 P @ B01APR E01NOV@ @ - - R
13 EFLYOW2 143 E @ B01APR E01NOV@ @ - - R
14 OSPCL2 299 O @ B31MAR E01MAY@ @ - - R
O16JUN -
> PAGE 2/13
Code:
>fqn1*tr
FQN1*TR
** RULES DISPLAY ** XF MAY APPLY
5XA/7XY EXCLUDED
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
27MAR12**02MAR13/AB NYCBER/NLX;AT/TPM 3969/MPM 4762
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
01 EFLYRT2 147 E @ B01APR E01MAY@ @ - - R
O31OCT -
FCL: EFLYRT2 TRF: 1 RULE: 5001 BK: E
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XPX-INSTANT PURCHASE EXCURSION
TR.TVL RESTRICTION
VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON EACH TRIP ON/AFTER 01MAY 12
AND ON/BEFORE 31OCT 12.
PAGE 1/ 1
>
Last edited by HansGolden; Mar 27, 2012 at 5:48 pm Reason: keep adding clarifying remarks, info
Mar 27, 2012, 6:35 pm
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While not as low as from NYC, fares are quite low from other AB gateways, too. Base fare for MIA-DUS is $250.-, the availability on *A is more spotty than for NYC-DUS/BER, but $720 a.i. is possible e.g. 7/26 - 8/6 via YYZ with an overnight layover on the return
Mar 27, 2012, 8:06 pm
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Mar 27, 2012, 8:15 pm
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Mar 27, 2012, 8:21 pm
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Originally Posted by HansGolden
I've also never seen seasonality coded 2 years ahead. I'm guessing they've been playing with automating generation of seasonality of fare rules and screwed up.
Mar 27, 2012, 8:29 pm
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Newark (EWR) to Dusseldorf (DUS) - Wed, Jun 6
United Newark (EWR) to Hamburg (HAM) - Wed, Jun 6
United 74 Dep: 5:40PM Arr: 7:30AM 7h 50m Boeing 757 Economy (K)
Layover in HAM Thu, Jun 7 2h 50m
United Hamburg (HAM) to Dusseldorf (DUS) - Thu, Jun 7
United 9397 Dep: 10:20AM Arr: 11:15AM 0h 55m Airbus A320 Economy (K)
OPERATED BY LUFTHANSA
Dusseldorf (DUS) to Newark (EWR) - Tue, Jun 12
United Dusseldorf (DUS) to Geneva (GVA) - Tue, Jun 12
United 9486 Dep: 6:50AM Arr: 8:10AM 1h 20m Canadair RJ 900 Economy (K)
OPERATED BY EUROWINGS AG Layover in GVA 1h 10m
United Geneva (GVA) to Newark (EWR) - Tue, Jun 12
United 957 Dep: 9:20AM Arr: 12:10PM 8h 50m Boeing 767 Economy (K)
Cost per passenger (including taxes & fees) $666.00
Total cost for 1 passenger $666.00
United Newark (EWR) to Hamburg (HAM) - Wed, Jun 6
United 74 Dep: 5:40PM Arr: 7:30AM 7h 50m Boeing 757 Economy (K)
Layover in HAM Thu, Jun 7 2h 50m
United Hamburg (HAM) to Dusseldorf (DUS) - Thu, Jun 7
United 9397 Dep: 10:20AM Arr: 11:15AM 0h 55m Airbus A320 Economy (K)
OPERATED BY LUFTHANSA
Dusseldorf (DUS) to Newark (EWR) - Tue, Jun 12
United Dusseldorf (DUS) to Geneva (GVA) - Tue, Jun 12
United 9486 Dep: 6:50AM Arr: 8:10AM 1h 20m Canadair RJ 900 Economy (K)
OPERATED BY EUROWINGS AG Layover in GVA 1h 10m
United Geneva (GVA) to Newark (EWR) - Tue, Jun 12
United 957 Dep: 9:20AM Arr: 12:10PM 8h 50m Boeing 767 Economy (K)
Cost per passenger (including taxes & fees) $666.00
Total cost for 1 passenger $666.00
Mar 27, 2012, 8:32 pm
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So I think HansGolden's find that this is a targeted response to the low AB promo fares to DUS and BER is still the most likely explanation. *A and DL have matched, AA hasn't.
Mar 27, 2012, 8:51 pm
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Five posts have just been deleted since they are off-topic (Tricks commentary belongs in the Trick It louhge thread, not in MR Deals threads).
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Mar 28, 2012, 12:34 am
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Also looks like it's available going into Sept for a weekend run.
Newark (EWR) to Dusseldorf (DUS) - Fri, Sep 21
Newark (EWR) to Hamburg (HAM) - Fri, Sep 21
United 74 Dep: 5:40PM Arr: 7:30AM 7h 50m Boeing 757 Economy (K)
Layover in HAM Sat, Sep 22 2h 50m
Hamburg (HAM) to Dusseldorf (DUS) - Sat, Sep 22
Lufthansa 2707 Dep: 10:20AM Arr: 11:15AM 0h 55m Airbus A320 Economy (L)
Dusseldorf (DUS) to Newark (EWR) - Sun, Sep 23
Dusseldorf (DUS) to Milan (MXP) - Sun, Sep 23
Lufthansa 3176 Dep: 7:15AM Arr: 8:40AM 1h 25m Canadair RJ 900 Economy (L)
OPERATED BY EUROWINGS AG Layover in MXP 1h 40m
Milan (MXP) to Newark (EWR) - Sun, Sep 23
United 45 Dep: 10:20AM Arr: 1:35PM 9h 15m Boeing 767 Economy (K)
Cost per passenger (including taxes & fees) $663.30
Total cost for 1 passenger $663.30
Newark (EWR) to Dusseldorf (DUS) - Fri, Sep 21
Newark (EWR) to Hamburg (HAM) - Fri, Sep 21
United 74 Dep: 5:40PM Arr: 7:30AM 7h 50m Boeing 757 Economy (K)
Layover in HAM Sat, Sep 22 2h 50m
Hamburg (HAM) to Dusseldorf (DUS) - Sat, Sep 22
Lufthansa 2707 Dep: 10:20AM Arr: 11:15AM 0h 55m Airbus A320 Economy (L)
Dusseldorf (DUS) to Newark (EWR) - Sun, Sep 23
Dusseldorf (DUS) to Milan (MXP) - Sun, Sep 23
Lufthansa 3176 Dep: 7:15AM Arr: 8:40AM 1h 25m Canadair RJ 900 Economy (L)
OPERATED BY EUROWINGS AG Layover in MXP 1h 40m
Milan (MXP) to Newark (EWR) - Sun, Sep 23
United 45 Dep: 10:20AM Arr: 1:35PM 9h 15m Boeing 767 Economy (K)
Cost per passenger (including taxes & fees) $663.30
Total cost for 1 passenger $663.30