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ILuvParis Feb 18, 2009 10:52 pm

The Legend of Deep Dish Pizza
 
Interesting story in Wednesday's Trib about Chicago pizza, how it was developed, by whom, where and how all the major deep dish pizza emporia are related.


The idea seemed simple enough: Build a case to confer landmark status to the location where Chicago-style deep-dish pizza was invented.

But as historian Tim Samuelson began to look into origins of the distinctive dish, he found himself mired in conflicting stories, each as impenetrable as the pizza and peopled with characters every bit as robust. There is almost no documentation about who invented the dish, and without it, legend has taken over.

The only paper trail indicates the pizza almost certainly came out of a 19th Century mansion built with lumber money at 29 E. Ohio St.—the restaurant now known as Pizzeria Uno. But the question of who exactly developed the concept remains a mystery despite the best efforts of the City of Chicago's official cultural historian.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...0,246422.story

Gargoyle Feb 18, 2009 11:24 pm

It's a story like all great Chicago stories, mired in dough and saucy characters.

Tim is a great guy with a lot of resources; if he can't slice through the layers of cheesey stories, no one can.

Sweet Willie Feb 19, 2009 6:19 am


What is known is that in 1943, Chicago produced a variation on pizzas. It has a coarse, crunchy crust, sauce on top of cheese and Italian sausage at its heart.
Italian sausage is the #1 pizza topping in the Chicago area (thankfully IMO), Pepperoni is #1 elsewhere in the US. I must be a true Chicago raised person as pepperoni is a pale second topping compared with sausage.

A toast to whoever invented deep dish, another slice please^

ILuvParis Feb 19, 2009 7:15 am


Originally Posted by Sweet Willie (Post 11284823)
Italian sausage is the #1 pizza topping in the Chicago area (thankfully IMO), Pepperoni is #1 elsewhere in the US. I must be a true Chicago raised person as pepperoni is a pale second topping compared with sausage.

A toast to whoever invented deep dish, another slice please^

Not sure the story is completely correct, however, as one of the things I love about deep dish pizza in Chicago, is that it doesn't have "sauce," but crushed tomatoes (although the parlors themselves refer to it as sauce).

tfjim Feb 19, 2009 8:21 am

I always thought that of "Chicago" deep dish pizza as nothing more than a crude .......ization of the Sicilian style pizza I grew up with in NYC. :p flame throwers on!

ILuvParis Feb 19, 2009 8:24 am


Originally Posted by tfjim (Post 11285444)
I always thought that of "Chicago" deep dish pizza as nothing more than a crude .......ization of the Sicilian style pizza I grew up with in NYC. :p flame throwers on!

Leave it to a New Yorker to think Little Caesar's is good stuff. And the fact that you're now in STL adds to your credibility. :D

TMOliver Feb 19, 2009 9:12 am


Originally Posted by tfjim (Post 11285444)
I always thought that of "Chicago" deep dish pizza as nothing more than a crude .......ization of the Sicilian style pizza I grew up with in NYC. :p flame throwers on!

Much of 3 years in Italy followed by return visits over the last 44, atop a long Winter in NYC and annual revisits to re-stoke my oven have convinced and repeatedly re-convinced me that:

A. "Deep Dish" pizza is a gross perversion, perhaps even a dangerous one, of a simple dish which in most of the US had already become so over-burdened with toppings as to have lost both identity and purpose.

B. People who demand deep dish pizza are themselves degenerate spawn of the improper commingling of genes among folks who possess no real cultural aesthetic beyond "pigging out".

C. Italian sausage on pizza? "O, Tempora! O, Mores!" Italian sausage (which in Italy is far less often encountered than in the US, but then few Italians would be very comfortable with out pepperoni either) is for surrounding with onions and peppers, either nestled in a bit of crusty loaf or served on its own. Only assorted barbarians, Goths, Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Pierced Goths (w/black lipstick/nail polish) would ruin both pizza and Italian sausage by combining them.

D. What did Sandburg call Chi? Hog Butcher to the world? No, a city of hogs and butchers, their hoggishness forcing pizza to become a tomato cobbler, while butchering the toppings.

Ahhh, for a simple Margherita, its thin crust browned to bits of charring below, taken with a heavy tumbler of unfiltered Apulian red, a dark and heady witches' wine, or better yet, a purist's recipe, a crust as slender as the wrists of a Neapolitan waif on short rations (and with no cheese at all) topped with sliced ripe tomatoes, fillets of salt packed anchovies and a scattering of crushed oil-cured ripe olives.

tfjim Feb 19, 2009 9:28 am


Originally Posted by ILuvParis (Post 11285466)
Leave it to a New Yorker to think Little Caesar's is good stuff. And the fact that you're now in STL adds to your credibility. :D

This is true. For lunch I may just have an Imo's Bloomin' Onion 'n Provel 16 incher..... I do believe they imported the idea of putting a deep fried onion onto a pizza from Chicago. Bravo!

tfjim Feb 19, 2009 9:29 am


Originally Posted by TMOliver (Post 11285789)
Much of 3 years in Italy.......crushed oil-cured ripe olives.

:eek: Wow! Gloves off! Cage match!

ILuvParis Feb 19, 2009 9:33 am


Originally Posted by tfjim (Post 11285900)
This is true. For lunch I may just have an Imo's Bloomin' Onion 'n Provel 16 incher..... I do believe they imported the idea of putting a deep fried onion onto a pizza from Chicago. Bravo!

I rather doubt it. I wonder where New Yorkers got the idea of Matso spread with cheese, Ketchup and (of course) fresh basil. :D

coachrowsey Feb 19, 2009 9:40 am

You all are making me want some of that pizza:D

PSUhorty Feb 19, 2009 12:50 pm

Will be in Chicago for a long weekend starting on the 26th. This thread is making me very hungry. Hell, if I read much longer, I'll be making a bee-line for Gino's once I get off the rail system.

Big Mo Feb 19, 2009 1:06 pm

I always thought that people from NYC can't help but talk about how they're from NYC and how everything is better in NYC, even (especially?) in threads that are about a completely different city.

:p

ILuvParis Feb 19, 2009 1:29 pm


Originally Posted by Big Mo (Post 11287447)
I always thought that people from NYC can't help but talk about how they're from NYC and how everything is better in NYC, even (especially?) in threads that are about a completely different city.

:p

And now you have more evidence to back that up. :D

Gargoyle Feb 19, 2009 1:51 pm


Originally Posted by Big Mo (Post 11287447)
I always thought that people from NYC can't help but talk about how they're from NYC and how everything is better in NYC, even (especially?) in threads that are about a completely different city.

:p

Well, that's to be expected from a bunch of insecure provincials. Heck, they put ketchup on hot dogs, and they think a sheet of burnt cardboard with some thin red and white mush spread on top is a "pizza". How sad.


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