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CLE - Impact of other airlines (gates, routes, equipment, & etc) after UA De-Hubbing
#2011
Join Date: Jun 2014
Programs: UA MM
Posts: 4,103
#2012
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: CLE
Programs: UA,WN,AA,DL, B6
Posts: 4,168
Icelander is canceling service from Cleveland for this summer. Not just because of the 737 Max issue but threw in passenger loads despite the face we had better loads then Kansas City where they will continue to service. They seem to being doing a lot of back pedellng on Cleveland service. Route was to be year round.
If I were the city I would move on from them and continue to talk with multiple airlines about trying to get service to Europe.
If I were the city I would move on from them and continue to talk with multiple airlines about trying to get service to Europe.
#2014
Join Date: Jun 2014
Programs: UA MM
Posts: 4,103
I'll fix it for you as well. No one is complaining about no longer being able to fly non-stop only two thirds of the way across the Atlantic Ocean.
Edit for addition: Losing service to KEF is meaningless to NE Ohio and, frankly, I have a hard time seeing why any local government would want to subsidize it. The whole point of subsidizing service to Europe (or elsewhere) is to make the area more attractive as a business location. That's where the return on investment can at least be hoped for. No business is going to establish or add to a footprint in the Cleveland area because of an obscure flight to Iceland. Those are for tourists. Flights to LHR, LGW, CDG, AMS, FRA... those are of genuine interest to businesses. And simply being able to change planes at KEF for a flight to one of those cities adds nothing as well. It can just as easily be done at ORD, YYZ, EWR, JFK, IAD, and on and on.
Edit for addition: Losing service to KEF is meaningless to NE Ohio and, frankly, I have a hard time seeing why any local government would want to subsidize it. The whole point of subsidizing service to Europe (or elsewhere) is to make the area more attractive as a business location. That's where the return on investment can at least be hoped for. No business is going to establish or add to a footprint in the Cleveland area because of an obscure flight to Iceland. Those are for tourists. Flights to LHR, LGW, CDG, AMS, FRA... those are of genuine interest to businesses. And simply being able to change planes at KEF for a flight to one of those cities adds nothing as well. It can just as easily be done at ORD, YYZ, EWR, JFK, IAD, and on and on.
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#2015
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: CLE, DCA, and 30k feet
Programs: Honors LT Diamond; United 1K; Hertz PC
Posts: 4,153
And of tangential relevance but for anyone who hasn't noticed: WOW has now completely ceased operations
Edit for addition: Losing service to KEF is meaningless to NE Ohio and, frankly, I have a hard time seeing why any local government would want to subsidize it. The whole point of subsidizing service to Europe (or elsewhere) is to make the area more attractive as a business location. That's where the return on investment can at least be hoped for. No business is going to establish or add to a footprint in the Cleveland area because of an obscure flight to Iceland. Those are for tourists. Flights to LHR, LGW, CDG, AMS, FRA... those are of genuine interest to businesses. And simply being able to change planes at KEF for a flight to one of those cities adds nothing as well. It can just as easily be done at ORD, YYZ, EWR, JFK, IAD, and on and on.
Not to mention that (unless I'm mistaken) it's a single flight -- which leaves precious little room to recover if things go sideways -- vs ORD/YYZ/EWR/JFK/IAD each with multiple frequencies and operated by significant network carriers so if ORD gets FUBARed there's likely a similar option via EWR or IAD for example.
I really don't understand the obsession with marginal TATL service.
Edit for addition: Losing service to KEF is meaningless to NE Ohio and, frankly, I have a hard time seeing why any local government would want to subsidize it. The whole point of subsidizing service to Europe (or elsewhere) is to make the area more attractive as a business location. That's where the return on investment can at least be hoped for. No business is going to establish or add to a footprint in the Cleveland area because of an obscure flight to Iceland. Those are for tourists. Flights to LHR, LGW, CDG, AMS, FRA... those are of genuine interest to businesses. And simply being able to change planes at KEF for a flight to one of those cities adds nothing as well. It can just as easily be done at ORD, YYZ, EWR, JFK, IAD, and on and on.
Not to mention that (unless I'm mistaken) it's a single flight -- which leaves precious little room to recover if things go sideways -- vs ORD/YYZ/EWR/JFK/IAD each with multiple frequencies and operated by significant network carriers so if ORD gets FUBARed there's likely a similar option via EWR or IAD for example.
I really don't understand the obsession with marginal TATL service.
#2016
#2017
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Cleveland, OH, USA, UA Silver, Hilton Gold
Posts: 772
Article on the upcoming, long-overdue, much-anticipated new Master Plan for Hopkins: https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/2...ster-plan.html
#2018
Join Date: Jun 2014
Programs: UA MM
Posts: 4,103
Article on the upcoming, long-overdue, much-anticipated new Master Plan for Hopkins: https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/2...ster-plan.html
#2019
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Cleveland, OH, USA, UA Silver, Hilton Gold
Posts: 772
This all reads like Nero fiddling while Rome burns. Sure, O'Hare is almost an order of magnitude larger than Hopkins but they just broke ground on an $8.5 billion terminal replacement/renovation plan (on top of the several billions spent on new runways and taxiways). All the while our officials in Cleveland fiddle around with where to load shuttle buses and how to find less than 1% of what Chicago is spending.
#2020
Join Date: Jun 2014
Programs: UA MM
Posts: 4,103
#2021
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Cleveland, OH, USA, UA Silver, Hilton Gold
Posts: 772
https://expo.cleveland.com/news/erry...ernationa.html
#2022
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 742
I'll fix it for you as well. No one is complaining about no longer being able to fly non-stop only two thirds of the way across the Atlantic Ocean.
Edit for addition: Losing service to KEF is meaningless to NE Ohio and, frankly, I have a hard time seeing why any local government would want to subsidize it. The whole point of subsidizing service to Europe (or elsewhere) is to make the area more attractive as a business location. That's where the return on investment can at least be hoped for. No business is going to establish or add to a footprint in the Cleveland area because of an obscure flight to Iceland. Those are for tourists. Flights to LHR, LGW, CDG, AMS, FRA... those are of genuine interest to businesses. And simply being able to change planes at KEF for a flight to one of those cities adds nothing as well. It can just as easily be done at ORD, YYZ, EWR, JFK, IAD, and on and on.
Edit for addition: Losing service to KEF is meaningless to NE Ohio and, frankly, I have a hard time seeing why any local government would want to subsidize it. The whole point of subsidizing service to Europe (or elsewhere) is to make the area more attractive as a business location. That's where the return on investment can at least be hoped for. No business is going to establish or add to a footprint in the Cleveland area because of an obscure flight to Iceland. Those are for tourists. Flights to LHR, LGW, CDG, AMS, FRA... those are of genuine interest to businesses. And simply being able to change planes at KEF for a flight to one of those cities adds nothing as well. It can just as easily be done at ORD, YYZ, EWR, JFK, IAD, and on and on.
#2023
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: JZRO
Posts: 9,169
ARRIVING: Passengers were disoriented when, after following "Terminal" signs, they were instead dumped into Baggage Claim. Yes, I realize that's part of the terminal per se, but departing passengers typically expect to see the ticketing area. Crazy fools. Meanwhile, several nearby officials sat around chatting with each other and offered no help. Nothing! Nothing! Nothing!
DEPARTING: It was a fire hazard trying to exit Door 1. People walked out and stop dead in their tracks expecting to see shuttle vans that weren't there. Seriously, the doorway was completely blocked with people. No one moved. There was no way out. Eventually, they figured out they had to turn left and begin a 50-yard, icy wind-swept trek to a cattle chute which offered little more protection from the elements. Even that chute, however, was useless because everybody stopped in its narrow confines in stupefaction.
RNE, explaining that I will support EI if it comes, but that's a long way off and very iffy given FI's retreat.
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#2024
Join Date: Jun 2014
Programs: UA MM
Posts: 4,103
Good points though it's worth noting the MAX 8/9 is 14% of IcelandAir's entire fleet. Having them grounded had to force some retrenchment in N. America and it's logical it would impact markets where they are least established.
#2025
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Cleveland, OH, USA, UA Silver, Hilton Gold
Posts: 772
Looks like Wow spent only $38,000 and Icelandair $200,000 of their incentive money at CLE last year. This leaves $1.8 million left to lure another carrier to CLE. Not that I'm terribly hopeful, but I would venture EI, DL, or AA as possible candidates.
https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and...hts-to-iceland
https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and...hts-to-iceland