Feb 24, 2015, 12:18 pm
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CLE - Impact of other airlines (gates, routes, equipment, & etc) after UA De-Hubbing
Nov 19, 2018, 11:41 am
#1876
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Nov 20, 2018, 9:33 am
#1877
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That gutted escalator was a First World punch in the gut to me after struggling to get to CLE on the icy morning of Nov. 10 (Turnpike traffic was going only 50 mph!). The elevator is glacially slow and can't handle the passenger load at peak times.
RNE, asking Why does that choke point exist at all? What century is this?
RNE, asking Why does that choke point exist at all? What century is this?
Nov 20, 2018, 9:50 am
#1878
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That gutted escalator was a First World punch in the gut to me after struggling to get to CLE on the icy morning of Nov. 10 (Turnpike traffic was going only 50 mph!). The elevator is glacially slow and can't handle the passenger load at peak times.
RNE, asking Why does that choke point exist at all? What century is this?
RNE, asking Why does that choke point exist at all? What century is this?
It exists because it is a design from the early 1970's over the bones of a mid-1950's terminal in a 93 year old airport. The only solution is a brand new terminal. I can't imagine any other interim solution to the escalators and the two elevators due to space constraints.
Nov 20, 2018, 10:20 am
#1879
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The escalator is finally fixed: https://fox8.com/2018/11/19/i-team-h...finally-fixed/
It exists because it is a design from the early 1970's over the bones of a mid-1950's terminal in a 93 year old airport. The only solution is a brand new terminal. I can't imagine any other interim solution to the escalators and the two elevators due to space constraints.
It exists because it is a design from the early 1970's over the bones of a mid-1950's terminal in a 93 year old airport. The only solution is a brand new terminal. I can't imagine any other interim solution to the escalators and the two elevators due to space constraints.
Nov 20, 2018, 10:26 am
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Nov 20, 2018, 10:42 am
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That said, given the massive amount of money CLE invested in the boondoggle that was the renovation/customer experience downgrade I think it's probably at least another 10 years before we stand a chance of any kind of significant redevelopment.
Nov 20, 2018, 11:15 am
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Given that passenger numbers are up and the fact that these days outstation/competitive cities seem to have nicer facilities and more aggressive development/renovation plans than hubs (IAD, ORD, and a healthy portion of both BWI and SFO, I'm looking at you) I'm not sure that one is tied to the other and perhaps UA no longer being the prime MII tenant may bode better.
That said, given the massive amount of money CLE invested in the boondoggle that was the renovation/customer experience downgrade I think it's probably at least another 10 years before we stand a chance of any kind of significant redevelopment.
That said, given the massive amount of money CLE invested in the boondoggle that was the renovation/customer experience downgrade I think it's probably at least another 10 years before we stand a chance of any kind of significant redevelopment.
Nov 20, 2018, 2:52 pm
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I think it's decades away and won't happen even then without the financial help of an airline who hubs CLE. Continental was on that long course... but, oh well.
Nov 25, 2018, 9:13 am
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Such pessimism. 
At the rate CLE is paying down its debt, they will be able to "afford" a major construction project (a billion or so?) in the 2023-4 timeframe - which is just about the right timing to implement whatever their new master plan will come up with, due for release in 2021-2. So new terminal ribbon cutting in 2026-7? Maybe; I'll become more optimistic if the end of 2018 shows an area population gain, however small.
At the rate CLE is paying down its debt, they will be able to "afford" a major construction project (a billion or so?) in the 2023-4 timeframe - which is just about the right timing to implement whatever their new master plan will come up with, due for release in 2021-2. So new terminal ribbon cutting in 2026-7? Maybe; I'll become more optimistic if the end of 2018 shows an area population gain, however small.
Nov 25, 2018, 8:57 pm
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On a different note-- some solid thinking on UA's part today. My flight to ORD got cancelled, went to rebook for tomorrow and saw a 753 running CLE-ORD 15 min after a 738. Turns out the 753 was the browns charter in tonight and instead of ferrying it back out empty, they opened it up as a rev (rescue) flight tomorrow morning. Should be interesting to see what gate they use. Don't think any in the banjo can accommodate a 757??
Nov 26, 2018, 4:54 am
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On a different note-- some solid thinking on UA's part today. My flight to ORD got cancelled, went to rebook for tomorrow and saw a 753 running CLE-ORD 15 min after a 738. Turns out the 753 was the browns charter in tonight and instead of ferrying it back out empty, they opened it up as a rev (rescue) flight tomorrow morning. Should be interesting to see what gate they use. Don't think any in the banjo can accommodate a 757??
Last edited by guy44134; Nov 26, 2018 at 5:38 am
Nov 26, 2018, 8:40 am
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