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CLE - Impact of other airlines (gates, routes, equipment, & etc) after UA De-Hubbing
#1756
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Cleveland, OH, USA, UA Silver, Hilton Gold
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https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...941Z/KSDF/KCLE
Swift Air is operating charters for Apple Vacations and subbing 767-200's (there were two at CLE yesterday evening from MBJ and PUJ, along with FI arrival from KEF--customs was sure busy!) and a 767-300 in modified Eastern Airlines livery.
#1758
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: CLE
Programs: UA:1K 0.81M
Posts: 133
757 taking off at BKL?
zipping past BKL today saw a united airbus taxiing. Checked flightaware to see where it was going (ORD) and then noticed a delta 757 had left BKL-MSP. (Assuming Twins Charter) that would have been cool to see take off on the 6,198ft runway (cooler to be on)
#1759
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Chicago, IL, US
Posts: 2,210
I'm guessing the UA was the White Sox who play the Indians starting tomorrow. The plane went ORD-MDW-BKL-ORD. (MDW is much closer to Sox Park than ORD)
#1760
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: CLE, DCA, and 30k feet
Programs: Honors LT Diamond; United 1K; Hertz PC
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I came in from IAD yesterday (Saturday) afternoon and saw the widget on the ramp at BKL from above when we were on final for CLE -- didn't realize it was a 75 (had assumed it was a 739) but in any event it definitely stood out amongst a bunch of Censsnas and the ilk. Was fun to see it from above, but agree would have been more fun to see it on the move. I assume it was a pretty light load so it would have been the "rocket-like" takeoff that I used to enjoy so much taking a 752 out of SNA
#1761
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: CLE
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Saw this guy out on the tarmac last month.
Huge Ukrainian aircraft makes its way to Cleveland Hopkins Inter - Cleveland 19 News Cleveland, OH
Huge Ukrainian aircraft makes its way to Cleveland Hopkins Inter - Cleveland 19 News Cleveland, OH
#1763
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: CLE, CAK
Programs: UA Milage Plus
Posts: 214
That was the case with a lot of aircraft on June 28th and 29th due to the huge weather delays in the North East that screwed up so many flights and resulted in many being severely delayed or canceled.
#1764
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: CLE
Programs: UA
Posts: 287
Looks like UA expanding service and bringing back RSW/FLL seasonal flights. United Expands CLE Service
#1765
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 742
Looks like UA expanding service and bringing back RSW/FLL seasonal flights. United Expands CLE Service
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#1766
Join Date: Jun 2014
Programs: UA MM
Posts: 4,066
United's approach to CLE shows how they were more poorly run than Delta. With UA, everything seems to be all or nothing with the holy grail being the transportation of passengers around the globe where Southwest, Frontier, and Spirit can't bother them. Everything else is in a far second, third, or fourth place. By contrast, Delta tried to take a sensible approach in cities where they had some market power. LaGuardia is not a hub per se but they are trying to capitalize with a strong presence there piggybacked on their strong presence at JFK. They didn't abandon Cincinnati, either.
United could have looked at where they can make good money through CLE and right-size their operations for that. The development of 70-75 seat aircraft only would have helped. They didn't need to keep service to places like Montreal, Knoxville, and Albany but keeping service to places like Kansas City and Atlanta would have made a lot of sense. With the right size A/C, it can't cost them any more to connect a passenger going from, say BOS to MCI, through CLE as it does through ORD or IAD. There's real O/D traffic on those routes, too, that they've allowed to slowly bleed away to their competition.
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#1767
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: CLE
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Originally Posted by JimInOhio;29981225
By contrast, Delta tried to take a sensible approach in cities where they had some market power. LaGuardia is not a hub per se but they are trying to capitalize with a strong presence their piggybacked on their strong presence at JFK. They didn't abandon Cincinnati, either.
#1770
Join Date: Jun 2014
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Posts: 4,066
I doubt UA would be successful in those markets. LAS and, to a lesser extent, PHX are leisure markets where UA has less market power. Leisure travelers often will pick Spirit or Frontier for no other reason than they are cheapest. Granted, UA's Basic Economy fares may change that to some degree. Where they can make money is with business travelers who don't want to connect or fly on Spirit, Frontier, or sometimes even Southwest.
UA may not be able to justify 160+ seat aircraft on most non-hub destinations from CLE and that basically rules out anything west of the Rockies. The obvious exceptions are LAX. MCO, CZM. Why not DFW and PHL along with some other large cities east of the Rockies? I think they'd have the volume to be profitable. Maybe the question is whether they can make more money elsewhere.
UA may not be able to justify 160+ seat aircraft on most non-hub destinations from CLE and that basically rules out anything west of the Rockies. The obvious exceptions are LAX. MCO, CZM. Why not DFW and PHL along with some other large cities east of the Rockies? I think they'd have the volume to be profitable. Maybe the question is whether they can make more money elsewhere.