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CLE - Impact of other airlines (gates, routes, equipment, & etc) after UA De-Hubbing
#2221
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: CLE/ORD/RSW
Programs: UA Plat, Marriot Titanium, WN A-List, National Exec
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Maybe the plane is 2/3rds chartered or something and they have the rest for the public? I've booked really random flights in europe (most don't appear on google flights even) that would usually be 80%+ a group, maybe for a cruise or something and they sell of the remaining seats for cheap. UA just doesn't sell them on the cheap.
- The seat maps are empty
- Generally speaking for US airlines chartered flights are for big planes and they wouldn't share it
- This flight is currently operated by ExpressJet on an E175; if one wanted to charter such a small plane, it would be cheaper than United
#2222
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: TOA
Programs: HH Diamond, Marriott LTPP/Platinum Premier, Hyatt Lame-ist, UA !K
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So on the United Map it still shows service from CLE to CHS. I did digging and it looks like the only nonstop flights scheduled I could find are on June 6th and June 13th (both directions). Does anyone know what might be going on in CLE or CHS that would warrant these one-off flights? Any reason why United would still show this route as a regular severed destination?
David
#2223
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: CLE
Programs: UA
Posts: 287
So on the United Map it still shows service from CLE to CHS. I did digging and it looks like the only nonstop flights scheduled I could find are on June 6th and June 13th (both directions). Does anyone know what might be going on in CLE or CHS that would warrant these one-off flights? Any reason why United would still show this route as a regular severed destination?
#2224
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 742
Are you a *G or a *S/general member? If you're *G you should have access at any club along the trip, likewise if the Business segment(s) is (are) operated by UA
If you're not a *G and the Business class flight is operated by a *A airline other than UA you have access only at the airport where your business-class flight is departing:
(https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly...es/access.html)
I don't believe that this has changed recently, but as a UA *G with a club membership I can't say I've paid close attention. I suspect this has to do with when/where the operating carrier is willing to or required to reimburse UA for the access by their business class passengers.
If you're not a *G and the Business class flight is operated by a *A airline other than UA you have access only at the airport where your business-class flight is departing:
(https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly...es/access.html)
I don't believe that this has changed recently, but as a UA *G with a club membership I can't say I've paid close attention. I suspect this has to do with when/where the operating carrier is willing to or required to reimburse UA for the access by their business class passengers.
#2225
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: CLE/ORD/RSW
Programs: UA Plat, Marriot Titanium, WN A-List, National Exec
Posts: 205
That's an interesting choice. I understand the Florida routes, but I can't imagine these have a lot of demand now, especially considering G4 start flying this route.
#2227
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: CLE
Programs: UA,WN,AA,DL, B6
Posts: 4,163
British Airways
British Airways just picked up 12 additional slots at LHR. Are we talking with them. Nashville has a direct flight. Its been 20 years now since Continental started the direct flight to LGW.
#2228
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: CLE
Programs: UA,WN,AA,DL, B6
Posts: 4,163
Seattle
Delta adding nonstop CMH-SEA. Alaska already flies the route. CLE Frontier only flies seasonal and not daily. Have we talked with Alaska. United flights were always very full CLE-SEA Last years of hub even had PDX nonstop.
#2229
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: CLE/ORD/RSW
Programs: UA Plat, Marriot Titanium, WN A-List, National Exec
Posts: 205
According to Wikipedia, Cleveland's overall metro area has a greater population than Nashville, but Nashville is a booming population market (15% growth vs about (1)% in CLE). Also keeping in mind that BNA was a former hub for AA, there are likely still a number of AA loyalists much like UA has in CLE.
Personally, I think the likely international carrier to move in would be either Aer Lingus or Lufthansa depending on the market capture. Lufthansa would be a more business-focused grab since it maintains *A for loyal frequent UA folks here, but Frankfurt is not a hot tourist destination and unless costs were low (unlikely), I think most people travelling to Europe for lesuire wouldn't care if the connection was in JFK/EWR/CLT/PHL/YYZ/etc. vs FRA. Aer Lingus typically offers better prices than the US legacy carriers and I believe Dublin would be a better tourist destination for a lot of folks in Cleveland. Just my two cents anyway.
I'm sure the city is continuing to make pitches to airlines without subsidies at all or very few. Personally, I'd prefer Cleveland keep its money to fix other issues in the City than to subsidize a foreign carrier.
#2231
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: JZRO
Posts: 9,169
True, but NEO's problems transcend viruses.
#2233
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: CLE/ORD/RSW
Programs: UA Plat, Marriot Titanium, WN A-List, National Exec
Posts: 205
Agreed. LH would only happen if UA also did some convincing and we know how UA feels about CLE. EI is probably what we'd end up with.
Both statements are true, this is a big picture discussion, happened before a virus and will happen after this situation calms down for airlines.
True, but NEO's problems transcend viruses.
#2234
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Cleveland, OH, USA, UA Silver, Hilton Gold
Posts: 771
How is the airport funded?
The Cleveland Airport System is an enterprise fund of the City of Cleveland, meaning that it is a self-sustaining operation. As such, all revenues earned by the airport must be spent solely for airport purposes. No local tax dollars are used to fund any projects or operations at the airport. The airport is funded by non-aviation related revenues (i.e., concessions and parking), aviation revenues (i.e., rents and landing fees), and federal grants. The airport has an annual operating budget of approximately $129 million.
#2235
Join Date: Jun 2014
Programs: UA MM
Posts: 4,066
A SkyTeam or OneWorld carrier will find more loyal bases than CLE to fly to. That leaves *A and which of those airlines is really a fit? As already mentioned, FRA is just a hub so doesnt do anything that EWR, ORD, or IAD cant already do unless youre trying to get somewhere small that doesnt have TATL service.
Agree with others that EI would be the best reasonable possibility.
Agree with others that EI would be the best reasonable possibility.