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Old Nov 19, 18, 11:41 am
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Old Nov 20, 18, 9:33 am
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Originally Posted by guy44134 View Post
Looks like the broken escalator will be back in service by Monday!
That gutted escalator was a First World punch in the gut to me after struggling to get to CLE on the icy morning of Nov. 10 (Turnpike traffic was going only 50 mph!). The elevator is glacially slow and can't handle the passenger load at peak times.

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Old Nov 20, 18, 9:50 am
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That gutted escalator was a First World punch in the gut to me after struggling to get to CLE on the icy morning of Nov. 10 (Turnpike traffic was going only 50 mph!). The elevator is glacially slow and can't handle the passenger load at peak times.

RNE, asking Why does that choke point exist at all? What century is this?
The escalator is finally fixed: https://fox8.com/2018/11/19/i-team-h...finally-fixed/

It exists because it is a design from the early 1970's over the bones of a mid-1950's terminal in a 93 year old airport. The only solution is a brand new terminal. I can't imagine any other interim solution to the escalators and the two elevators due to space constraints.
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Old Nov 20, 18, 10:20 am
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Originally Posted by guy44134 View Post
The escalator is finally fixed: https://fox8.com/2018/11/19/i-team-h...finally-fixed/

It exists because it is a design from the early 1970's over the bones of a mid-1950's terminal in a 93 year old airport. The only solution is a brand new terminal. I can't imagine any other interim solution to the escalators and the two elevators due to space constraints.
And it could be done. Build a new and larger terminal on the footprint of the existing parking garage plus the existing terminal. Build a new garage in the place where they tore down the old long-term garage. The bonus: moving the terminal closer to route 237 would help in being able to connect it to dormant D concourse. If nothing else, use of concourse D would help the logistics of rebuilding concourses A, B, and C (maybe into one continuous concourse).
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Old Nov 20, 18, 10:26 am
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Originally Posted by guy44134 View Post
It exists because it is a design from the early 1970's BC, built over the bones of Pharaoh Senusret I.
I fixed that for you.

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Old Nov 20, 18, 10:29 am
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And it could be done. Build a new and larger terminal...
I wish. But I think the hope of a new-build left when United took its hub and went home.
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Old Nov 20, 18, 10:42 am
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Originally Posted by RNE View Post
I wish. But I think the hope of a new-build left when United took its hub and went home.
Given that passenger numbers are up and the fact that these days outstation/competitive cities seem to have nicer facilities and more aggressive development/renovation plans than hubs (IAD, ORD, and a healthy portion of both BWI and SFO, I'm looking at you) I'm not sure that one is tied to the other and perhaps UA no longer being the prime MII tenant may bode better.

That said, given the massive amount of money CLE invested in the boondoggle that was the renovation/customer experience downgrade I think it's probably at least another 10 years before we stand a chance of any kind of significant redevelopment.
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Old Nov 20, 18, 11:15 am
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Given that passenger numbers are up and the fact that these days outstation/competitive cities seem to have nicer facilities and more aggressive development/renovation plans than hubs (IAD, ORD, and a healthy portion of both BWI and SFO, I'm looking at you) I'm not sure that one is tied to the other and perhaps UA no longer being the prime MII tenant may bode better.

That said, given the massive amount of money CLE invested in the boondoggle that was the renovation/customer experience downgrade I think it's probably at least another 10 years before we stand a chance of any kind of significant redevelopment.
Fully agree. What major tenant airline facilitated the rebuild of AUS, RDU, MSY (opening next year), just to name three with passenger volumes in the same league as CLE? The obvious answer in each case is "none". I also agree we likely won't see a new CLE airport in the next two decades as the city is ridiculously dysfunctional.
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Old Nov 20, 18, 2:52 pm
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Originally Posted by lincolnjkc View Post
That said, given the massive amount of money CLE invested in the boondoggle that was the renovation/customer experience downgrade I think it's probably at least another 10 years before we stand a chance of any kind of significant redevelopment.
I think it's decades away and won't happen even then without the financial help of an airline who hubs CLE. Continental was on that long course... but, oh well.
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Old Nov 25, 18, 9:13 am
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Such pessimism.

At the rate CLE is paying down its debt, they will be able to "afford" a major construction project (a billion or so?) in the 2023-4 timeframe - which is just about the right timing to implement whatever their new master plan will come up with, due for release in 2021-2. So new terminal ribbon cutting in 2026-7? Maybe; I'll become more optimistic if the end of 2018 shows an area population gain, however small.
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Old Nov 25, 18, 12:29 pm
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...a major construction project...
That'll be the day!

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Old Nov 25, 18, 2:48 pm
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Maybe they'll just increase landing fees even more exorbitantly than they already are to fund a airport and drive out all the LCC growth they've seen
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Old Nov 25, 18, 8:57 pm
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On a different note-- some solid thinking on UA's part today. My flight to ORD got cancelled, went to rebook for tomorrow and saw a 753 running CLE-ORD 15 min after a 738. Turns out the 753 was the browns charter in tonight and instead of ferrying it back out empty, they opened it up as a rev (rescue) flight tomorrow morning. Should be interesting to see what gate they use. Don't think any in the banjo can accommodate a 757??
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Old Nov 26, 18, 4:54 am
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Originally Posted by rolltribe View Post
On a different note-- some solid thinking on UA's part today. My flight to ORD got cancelled, went to rebook for tomorrow and saw a 753 running CLE-ORD 15 min after a 738. Turns out the 753 was the browns charter in tonight and instead of ferrying it back out empty, they opened it up as a rev (rescue) flight tomorrow morning. Should be interesting to see what gate they use. Don't think any in the banjo can accommodate a 757??
UA2827 will be using C27.
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Old Nov 26, 18, 8:40 am
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Originally Posted by rolltribe View Post
... Should be interesting to see what gate they use. Don't think any in the banjo can accommodate a 757??
A few years ago, the SFO-->CLE flight was on a 757, and we landed at the end of the banjo.
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