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Blumie Nov 25, 2012 9:16 pm


Originally Posted by elitetraveler (Post 19744845)
One person's feeling of 'safety' doesn't necessarily equal another persons. I simply sited two serious crime incidents from the MRT in the last three months. I know you were trying to insinuate something else - via the comments that have been removed.

St. Louis is a great city but has significant crime problems. The MRT has had its fair share of incidents.

I'll be the first to admit that I am not at all familiar with St. Louis. But I wasn't trying to insinuate anything. I was, however, trying to explore the comment about not feeling safe. I guess our friendly mod was not pleased with my provocative exploration.

northernlights1 Nov 25, 2012 9:17 pm

Its been a little while since I have been through STL but I always laughed at the glass enclosed smoking lounges right in the middle of the terminal. Are those things still there? Why anyone would still smoke after seeing people in these things. It looked like mice in a bad lab experiment to test how quickly they would get cancer...

dayone Nov 25, 2012 9:45 pm


Originally Posted by Orion (Post 19744586)
I feel that way about CLE (CO/UA). I liked it before because it was relatively small and connections were not at a great distance.
I feel that way about CVG (DL). A great, efficient terminal facility sitting mostly idle.
Even MEM (DL/NW) is sad. Even if it is the pork BBQ capital of the world.

And PIT.

dayone Nov 25, 2012 9:48 pm


Originally Posted by Blumie (Post 19744879)
I'll be the first to admit that I am not at all familiar with St. Louis. But I wasn't trying to insinuate anything. I was, however, trying to explore the comment about not feeling safe. I guess our friendly mod was not pleased with my provocative exploration.

This thread is about confirmation, not exploration. And don't even think about provocative.

dartagnan Nov 26, 2012 6:50 am


Originally Posted by northernlights1 (Post 19744883)
Its been a little while since I have been through STL but I always laughed at the glass enclosed smoking lounges right in the middle of the terminal. Are those things still there? Why anyone would still smoke after seeing people in these things. It looked like mice in a bad lab experiment to test how quickly they would get cancer...

Those were closed about 18 months ago when the city went partially smoke-free.

Still working on the smoke-free thing, but hell, it's Missourah, so I'm happy to have anything.

WRCSolberg Nov 26, 2012 9:55 am


Originally Posted by elitetraveler (Post 19744845)
One person's feeling of 'safety' doesn't necessarily equal another persons. I simply sited two serious crime incidents from the MRT in the last three months. I know you were trying to insinuate something else - via the comments that have been removed.

St. Louis is a great city but has significant crime problems. The MRT has had its fair share of incidents.

Again, take this from someone who rides it on a daily basis through some not so nice areas - the Metrolink is for the most part, safe. There is at least one security guard on *every* platform, day and night, and there are regular patrols on the trains themselves. You can get mugged walking down the street here, citing a few newspaper articles about crime on ML doesn't prove much.

Let's put it like this, if my 120 lb, late 50 something mom has no problem riding it, neither should you.

fieldeng Nov 26, 2012 2:00 pm


Originally Posted by Orion (Post 19744586)
I feel that way about CLE (CO/UA). I liked it before because it was relatively small and connections were not at a great distance.
I feel that way about CVG (DL). A great, efficient terminal facility sitting mostly idle.
Even MEM (DL/NW) is sad. Even if it is the pork BBQ capital of the world.

Cleveland is a very apt comparison. You used to see big jets fly in and out of there all the time. Now it's RJ city.

elitetraveler Nov 26, 2012 9:18 pm


Originally Posted by WRCSolberg (Post 19747236)
Again, take this from someone who rides it on a daily basis through some not so nice areas - the Metrolink is for the most part, safe. There is at least one security guard on *every* platform, day and night, and there are regular patrols on the trains themselves. You can get mugged walking down the street here, citing a few newspaper articles about crime on ML doesn't prove much.

Let's put it like this, if my 120 lb, late 50 something mom has no problem riding it, neither should you.

Well last trip to STL my friend told me "take a taxi, it's faster and safe." When I go to ZRH, MUC, FRA, MXP, GVA, ORD, NRT, HKG the advice is always "take the train, it's faster and cheaper."

In terms of crime even if we want to use worst case areas we are talking about 1 in 1000 type odds. That said - the latter mentioned trains not only don't have consistent reports of criminal activity they "feel safer" at least to me.

That said, I do realize there is crime everywhere. My point to Blumie was it is out of line to ask people as he did if the reason they felt unsafe was "do the people look different than you." I really don't care what they look like - when there is a group/gang of five to 10 teenagers running through cars jumping up and down on the seats and slamming doors and making running up to people then to the next car I really don't like that environment - again no matter their skin color, hair style or number of piercings. One person said they felt unsafe - they are entitled to their opinion as are the hundreds of thousands of people who ride the STL MRT each year. No need to try and demean somebody else.

GregL Nov 26, 2012 10:13 pm


Originally Posted by fieldeng (Post 19744452)
The last time I flew in and out of STL was a connection to ATL back when it was an AA hub (when Pittsburgh beat Arizona to win the Superbowl I believe..)

Anyway, it was a major dump back then so I can imagine what it's like now..

Sad indeed.

The Burger King there has been gone for several years.

Greg

GregL Nov 26, 2012 10:16 pm

If anyone has not been to Lambert in several years, you would think you are in a different airport today.

Here are some pictures from the renovations to Concourse C. Concourse A was renovated in a similar manner prior to the tornado. The baggage claim areas are just about done as well.

http://countondowntown.com/2012/04/l...ncourse-opens/

Greg

fastflyer Nov 27, 2012 9:51 am

Not depressing, but amusing.

Until Concourse D was closed earlier this year (circa May 2012), all of the AA flights departed from there since the tornado. This is the (now-closed) concourse past the temporary Admirals Club, that stretches almost all the way to the Southwest terminal, one mile east from the main terminal.

For whatever reason, most of last winter, AA would board its STL-MIA flight from the very last gate in Concourse D, a 20 minute walk from the terminal. Fortunately, antique "speedramps" were somehow still operational along the terminal. The whole place was a time-warp to the early 1980s, from the color scheme to the bubble windows and even the signage. I enjoyed the time travel, although AA's relocated operations in the newly opened Concourse C are of course modern and convenient.

JDiver Nov 27, 2012 9:59 pm

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lavag Dec 8, 2012 2:04 pm

As a woman alone, I have no problem taking the light rail from downtown to the airport - there are almost always other people on the train and the conductors pass through to collect tickets. That said, I wouldn't think of walking alone on almost any St. Louis street at night including the street to the downtown train stop.

Although it is sad to see Lambert almost totally empty, fewer crowds = less hassle.

Sweet Willie Dec 11, 2012 8:01 am


Originally Posted by gemac (Post 19742914)
In addition to the things others have mentioned, STL has light rail from the airport to downtown, something that many airports lack.


Originally Posted by WRCSolberg (Post 19747236)
Again, take this from someone who rides it on a daily basis through some not so nice areas - the Metrolink is for the most part, safe. There is at least one security guard on *every* platform, day and night, and there are regular patrols on the trains themselves. You can get mugged walking down the street here, citing a few newspaper articles about crime on ML doesn't prove much.

Let's put it like this, if my 120 lb, late 50 something mom has no problem riding it, neither should you.

AMEN !^ (to both statements)

I can see how STL would be viewed as depressing, I thought as much when I travel there, but I very much enjoy the less other pax/hassle aspect!!


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