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Originally Posted by blueDC
I lean towards a multimodal rail transportation system. Metro should concentrate on serving densely populated areas i.e. downtown and the inner suburbs/counties that can generate traffic all-day long, and leave the outer suburbs/counties to commuter rail. Running dedicated mass transit to areas that only generate rush hour traffic like the outer suburbs/counties is a waste of transit resources, IMHO.
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Originally Posted by blueDC
Maybe they should extend the Light Rail from BWI to the Amtrak/MARC station? That way, it'll be like the EWR/JFK AirTrain whereby one takes light rail from airport->train station and then commuter rail to Union[DC] or Penn[Balt]. Having never been to BWI, is the distance from the Amtrak station to BWI airport prohibitively far for this option to make money at $5 per journey (which is how much the AirTrain charges)?
Having some sort of rail link to the station might cut the time to get over there vs the shuttle bus, but that isn't the real weak link in this chain anyway. The weak link right now in getting to DC is the MARC train service, which at many times of day is only once an hour down to Union Station and doesn't run on weekends or holidays at all. A bit of thought put into the MARC stuff would probably result in a much more useful link without building anything new. Example: why not have dedicated trains that run an express BWI-Union Station back and forth? Those trains don't need to continue on to Penn Station in Baltimore; people going to Balt from the airport can ride the light rail. People going between DC and Balt or points between can ride the standard MARC service that continues to run the entire length and all stops of the Penn Line (which currently serves the airport). Heck, if they just took one extra train and ran it back and forth from Union Station to BWI, they should be able to double the frequency when combined with the existing schedule. Then all they have to do is run some service on weekends. That's probably the touchiest one, but if they think of it as service from BWI to DC rather than a commuter line, I think they might be able to cover the costs of running some trains on the weekends. |
Originally Posted by CrazyOne
The weak link right now in getting to DC is the MARC train service, which at many times of day is only once an hour down to Union Station and doesn't run on weekends or holidays at all.
That still doesn't excuse MARC's inability (or lack of financial incentive) to run frequent trains between Balt/BWI/DC. Once an hour and never on weekends/holidays? That's totally Third World service. Granted, BWI was built for Baltimore and there's a link to their downtown but really, most of BWI's customers are probably coming from the DC area (coz we're bigger and better, nyah ;) ) and they should recognize that fact by ensuring frequent rail connections to DC. It really is overdue for DC, as one of the country's five largest metro areas by population, to connect its international airports to a reliable rail system. LA being the other exception... NYC, Chicago and SF - not to mention almost all the world's major cities incl. some in developing countries - already have it, why don't we? Inexcusable. |
Yeah, most of the Amtraks stop there (if not all), but I don't think they're any more frequent. Significant change in cost, too, I belive about 3x as much.
I haven't looked at the MARC frequency recently, either. I'm only going on memory. I doubt it has changed much, though. Maryland should be looking to do this on their own, and I can't imagine why they haven't. The more they grow BWI, the better it is for them. Giving people easier access to DC certainly will help them grow BWI. (Hey, they didn't put Washington in the name for nothing, right?) And it seems to me they have a couple things in their power that they could do to make that access better. In the end, for me personally, it doesn't matter. I'm here at PIT, I do travel to the DC and Baltimore areas for work, but at this distance I'm unlikely to start flying there anytime soon. With all the crap security and stuff these days, it would take almost as long as driving considering door to door time. :rolleyes: But given what they're trying to do at BWI (they'd like to grow international traffic, for instance, they have that rebuilt international concourse) I do sometimes find it baffling they haven't done more to enhance the transit connection to DC. |
Originally Posted by CrazyOne
Yeah, most of the Amtraks stop there (if not all), but I don't think they're any more frequent. Significant change in cost, too, I belive about 3x as much.
The B30 bus/Metro combo is even cheaper, but painfully slow (well over an hour from door to door). |
Originally Posted by cptlflyer
BWI is an EASY trip from Downtown Washington using MARC... or, at the very least, anyone who uses the METRO in DC will appreciate that a METRO link would certainly not be faster or easier!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by CrazyOne
It might get easier, I suppose, if the station were right at the terminal. You could get to downtown DC without changing modes of transport. (Existing options both require a bus to the train.) And maybe it would have more frequency. But it wouldn't get faster certainly.
Originally Posted by CrazyOne
They already run a free shuttle bus to the BWI Rail Station. It's not that far at all. Actually, something I ran into last night (don't know where) mentioned plans to run a "monorail" (that was the word they used) to the rail station from the terminal. I don't know if that's still in the works or not. The station is really just across the road and south a bit, no farther away than some of the satellite parking.
Having some sort of rail link to the station might cut the time to get over there vs the shuttle bus, but that isn't the real weak link in this chain anyway. The weak link right now in getting to DC is the MARC train service, which at many times of day is only once an hour down to Union Station and doesn't run on weekends or holidays at all. A bit of thought put into the MARC stuff would probably result in a much more useful link without building anything new. Example: why not have dedicated trains that run an express BWI-Union Station back and forth? I agree that implementing weekend MARC service, and adding BWI express trains, would improve matters. Perhaps BWI should consider subsidizing such additional trains. In the meantime, extending the Metro to IAD should have a higher priority than BWI. |
Man, I would love a Metro/MARC stop at Ft. Meade. Life would be so much easier for us military type folks who live on post. But honestly, I don't ever see something like that happening with the various government agencies located on Ft. Meade (ie-the three letter intelligence agency located there). It would probably get nixed before it even became a plan. Just my two cents.
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Originally Posted by CrazyOne
They already run a free shuttle bus to the BWI Rail Station. It's not that far at all. Actually, something I ran into last night (don't know where) mentioned plans to run a "monorail" (that was the word they used) to the rail station from the terminal. I don't know if that's still in the works or not. The station is really just across the road and south a bit, no farther away than some of the satellite parking.
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Originally Posted by slawecki
Can Amtrak & Metro equipment run on the same track?
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All this surprises me. I would think if they are considering extending the Metro to another airport, IAD would be the natural choice, not BWI (given the existing service there). I suppose the resistance to Metro expansion may grow the closer one gets to hunt country though.
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Originally Posted by gilpin
All this surprises me. I would think if they are considering extending the Metro to another airport, IAD would be the natural choice, not BWI (given the existing service there). I suppose the resistance to Metro expansion may grow the closer one gets to hunt country though.
Both airports process about the same number of passengers. Both are extremely difficult to reach much of the day. Both are about the same distance from downtown DC. Both have an xepressway with a middle available. Why is IAD the "natural" choice, although the only thing stopping the DC-IAD route down is the cost. There is talk of putting a "high speed" bus lane in, exclusively for DC-IAD bus traffic. |
Originally Posted by slawecki
Why is IAD the "natural" choice.
Also it seems that such a line would be a boon to places like Reston and Herdon, currently without Metro service. You might argue that the econmic stimulus it would generate could be as much of a curse as a blessing, but it would get quite a few cars off the road. That's something laying another gauge track to BWI on an already-served route cannot possibly accomplish as well. |
Originally Posted by blueDC
Maybe they should extend the Light Rail from BWI to the Amtrak/MARC station? ... Having never been to BWI, is the distance from the Amtrak station to BWI airport prohibitively far for this option to make money at $5 per journey (which is how much the AirTrain charges)?
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Originally Posted by slawecki
Both airports process about the same number of passengers. Both are extremely difficult to reach much of the day. Both are about the same distance from downtown DC. Both have an xepressway with a middle available.
Why is IAD the "natural" choice, although the only thing stopping the DC-IAD route down is the cost. There is talk of putting a "high speed" bus lane in, exclusively for DC-IAD bus traffic. |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...040901162.html
Monday, April 10, 2006; Page B01 Plan for Metro to BWI Gaining Momentum Dulles Rail Extension Spurs Md. to Action By Amit R. Paley, Washington Post Staff Writer As Virginia moves closer to extending Metrorail to Dulles International Airport, Maryland officials are ramping up plans and support for their own multibillion-dollar extension to Baltimore-Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport/ |
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