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paytonc Feb 14, 2013 10:17 pm

Per the Post, "Executives at Hilton Worldwide are negotiating a deal with developers of CityCenterDC to build a 370-room Conrad hotel downtown, according to sources familiar with the discussions." So the Convention Center might not be cornered by Marriott -- after all, there are three international hotel operators headquartered in town.

Also new since this thread was updated: zoning approval was recently granted and groundbreaking will occur this year on a new 278-room Intercontinental Hotel at the Wharf, on the Southwest Waterfront. (The ANC also just approved an Element and Aloft a block away, but those aren't "luxury.")


Originally Posted by slawecki (Post 17028230)
the next two items in the national harbor build out is the outlet mall, and then the disney(like in walt) complex.

Disney sold the land back to the developer. The county's new casino will likely (but not definitely) end up at National Harbor, on the land between the Beltway and the existing development.

slawecki Feb 15, 2013 9:13 am

i do not think there is any available land between nat harbor and the beltway. the casino will go south and east of the current development. roscroft interests are trying to get government to buy and convert the raceway to a park. if the gambling competitior to mgm wishes to do nat harb, they will have to unload arundull mills.(only one casino allowed for each entity in md)

paytonc Feb 15, 2013 11:25 am

The proposed MGM development at National Harbor is the "Beltway Parcel," along the Beltway but north of the existing retail.

brendog Feb 16, 2013 8:16 am


Originally Posted by paytonc (Post 20254209)
The proposed MGM development at National Harbor is the "Beltway Parcel," along the Beltway but north of the existing retail.

Lovely, a casino complex in scenic PG County. Gamblers can take odds on their chances of being shot or carjacked on the way down... :rolleyes:

slawecki Feb 16, 2013 9:52 am


Originally Posted by paytonc (Post 20254209)
The proposed MGM development at National Harbor is the "Beltway Parcel," along the Beltway but north of the existing retail.

i see where you are talking about. between harbor and national avez

silverthief2 Feb 18, 2013 10:10 am


Originally Posted by brendog (Post 20258966)
Lovely, a casino complex in scenic PG County. Gamblers can take odds on their chances of being shot or carjacked on the way down... :rolleyes:

Most new casinos in the U.S. are sited in less than desirable places; whether it's because of their constant search for jobs of any type or just the lack of community opposition it turns out to be the path of least resistance for casino developers. Yet I'm not hearing of casinogoers getting shot or carjacked on the way to the casinoes in Cleveland or Columbus or Detroit. This one will probably do just fine too.

djp98374 Feb 18, 2013 1:56 pm


Originally Posted by silverthief2 (Post 20270253)
Most new casinos in the U.S. are sited in less than desirable places; whether it's because of their constant search for jobs of any type or just the lack of community opposition it turns out to be the path of least resistance for casino developers. Yet I'm not hearing of casinogoers getting shot or carjacked on the way to the casinoes in Cleveland or Columbus or Detroit. This one will probably do just fine too.

Separating out the native American casinos......

Most casinos are done as a tourist alternative catering to an untapped market. One example is the Mississippi coast. You have Florida and Texas so casinos would draw people there. Same with Atlantic ity...with so many beach towns they needed to do something different to set them apart. With niagara falls.. Casino on American side to attract tourist money.

slawecki Feb 19, 2013 1:35 am


Originally Posted by paytonc (Post 20251208)



Disney sold the land back to the developer. The county's new casino will likely (but not definitely) end up at National Harbor, on the land between the Beltway and the existing development.

disney is now long gone. the casino at national harbor needs one final approval and then goes in. the outlet mall is now under construction on the south east corner of oxon hill rd and harborview. the site is the former estate called salubria. this was a separate purchase and is outside the original national harbor purchase. considerable road construction activity for the outlet mall. (85 upscale stores). last i heard, no walmart the mall.

brendog Feb 19, 2013 8:48 am


Originally Posted by silverthief2 (Post 20270253)
Most new casinos in the U.S. are sited in less than desirable places; whether it's because of their constant search for jobs of any type or just the lack of community opposition it turns out to be the path of least resistance for casino developers. Yet I'm not hearing of casinogoers getting shot or carjacked on the way to the casinoes in Cleveland or Columbus or Detroit. This one will probably do just fine too.

Cheap land was the only possible rationale I could think of. Nat Harbor is waaaay down in the boonies (i.e., No Metro and separated from the majority of DC by Anacostia), and not in the nicest of areas (PG). There's definitely nothing else around there to draw anyone down that I can think of.

slawecki Feb 19, 2013 9:19 am


Originally Posted by brendog (Post 20276022)
Cheap land was the only possible rationale I could think of. Nat Harbor is waaaay down in the boonies (i.e., No Metro and separated from the majority of DC by Anacostia), and not in the nicest of areas (PG). There's definitely nothing else around there to draw anyone down that I can think of.

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the 3 players in the national harbor casino wars put up over $2 billion and close to 3 billion to win the rights to the nat's harbor casino.

silverthief2 Feb 19, 2013 7:00 pm


Originally Posted by brendog (Post 20276022)
Cheap land was the only possible rationale I could think of. Nat Harbor is waaaay down in the boonies (i.e., No Metro and separated from the majority of DC by Anacostia), and not in the nicest of areas (PG). There's definitely nothing else around there to draw anyone down that I can think of.

I've been there (by car). You could say it is quite remote for being so close to DC.

drewguy Feb 27, 2013 9:55 am


Originally Posted by brendog (Post 20276022)
Cheap land was the only possible rationale I could think of. Nat Harbor is waaaay down in the boonies (i.e., No Metro and separated from the majority of DC by Anacostia), and not in the nicest of areas (PG). There's definitely nothing else around there to draw anyone down that I can think of.

Cheap land, beltway access, and access to a bunch of convention-goers who don't want to make a lengthy trek into DC all seem like reasons why the location makes sense from a casino-business perspective.

paytonc Mar 2, 2013 5:59 pm


Originally Posted by drewguy (Post 20326729)
Cheap land, beltway access, and access to a bunch of convention-goers who don't want to make a lengthy trek into DC all seem like reasons why the location makes sense from a casino-business perspective.

It's cheap land not just on the Beltway, but right on I-95, with a built-in captive audience, in the wealthiest metro in the country, surrounded by other jurisdictions that will never legalize casino gambling (not just DC, but Virginia and MoCo). Sounds like a great bet to me, so to speak.

slawecki Mar 4, 2013 7:17 am


Originally Posted by brendog (Post 20276022)
Cheap land was the only possible rationale I could think of. Nat Harbor is waaaay down in the boonies (i.e., No Metro and separated from the majority of DC by Anacostia), and not in the nicest of areas (PG). There's definitely nothing else around there to draw anyone down that I can think of.

the townhouses are being built out. only about 100 lots left of 1000 at the start. there are none available. a cheap town house is 600-700K. and the nicer ones get well over a mil. i cannot believe they sell. 3 or 4 stories, and NO ELEVATOR!!!!!

10 min from NH to the capitol. upper Gtown to capitol at mid day takes about 30 min. could just take the metro from Gtown to the capitol???? the one the rich people would not allow.

paytonc Apr 25, 2014 2:59 pm


Originally Posted by Washingtonian819 (Post 17011072)
But it makes me wonder about where exactly the others plan to build. DC is fast becoming saturated. Perhaps at the new CityCenter site downtown?

Discussions continue with Conrad for the CityCenterDC hotel site, now slated to break ground in 2015. It'll join an A-list of retailers.


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